Question About the 2nd Advent

[Alive]

What does the bible tell us specifically that Christ and the Father do when he returns bodily to earth?

What happens at that event?

Try to keep it simple with short succinct answers.

Perhaps its better to ask--what does Christ do when He returns.

Edited September 10, 2021 by Alive
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[Marilyn C]

5 hours ago, Alive said:

What does the bible tell us specifically that Christ and the Father do when he returns bodily to earth?

What happens at that event?

Try to keep it simple with short succinct answers.

Perhaps its better to ask--what does Christ do when He returns.

Hi Alive,

Good question for discussion.

I believe that when the Lord returns to earth He will deal with the world`s armies gathered in the valley outside Jerusalem. His feet touch the Mount of Olives and it splits in two bringing forth fresh water that goes forth to cleanse the rivers and seas that were polluted in the trib.

Then Jesus will go over to Jerusalem and reveals Himself to the tribe of Judah and then the people of Jerusalem, all who had been hiding. They see His nail prints and by the Spirit of grace and supplication that is poured out upon them, they realise it is their Messiah, the one whom they pierced. Then each family goes into a time of mourning.

After that Jesus appoints a king, a man named David to rule, and some priests. The priests cleanse the temple which the anti-Christ had desecrated.

People from all over the world bring the Jews to Jerusalem, on horses, camels, litters, etc as civilisation as we know it is gone. There is a great celebration in Jerusalem on the 15th of Adar, to celebrate their National Deliverance. It is called the feast of Purim. (remember Esther). This is the `wedding` celebration of God now connecting, (marrying) His people again.

Jesus returns to heaven.

The people beat their swords into ploughshares, and their spears into pruning hooks. They don`t learn war anymore. It is now an agrarian society. People rebuild houses, tend to animals, and plant crops. The trees along the rivers have blossomed and bear fruit. The leaves are for health and healing. 

Once a year the people from other nations that are left after the trib, send some representatives up to Jerusalem to worship the Lord and learn of His ways. The glory of the Lord is over His holy mount of Zion. 

 

[missmuffet]

In His first coming Jesus came to earth as a baby in a manger. In His second coming Jesus will be a conquering King to rule the nations.

[The Light]

22 hours ago, Alive said:

What does the bible tell us specifically that Christ and the Father do when he returns bodily to earth?

What happens at that event?

Try to keep it simple with short succinct answers.

Perhaps its better to ask--what does Christ do when He returns.

Rev 11

¹⁵ And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

¹⁶ And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,

¹⁷ Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.

¹⁸ And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

[Alive]

I wonder why nobody has mentioned the primary reasons/events when Christ returns bodily to the earth.

Resurrection/translation of those made righteous in Christ and those damned. Judgement and restoration.

Final defeat of death.

Let's start here....

:-)

Can we agree with the above? When He returns, this is what happens?

[Uriah]

1 hour ago, Alive said:

I wonder why nobody has mentioned the primary reasons/events when Christ returns bodily to the earth.

Resurrection/translation of those made righteous in Christ and those damned. Judgement and restoration.

Final defeat of death.

Let's start here....

:-)

Can we agree with the above? When He returns, this is what happens?

Hello Alive,

                    I had believed the time when death is defeated is at the end of the millennium. Here is why:

Is. 65:20- There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.

NIV-“Never again will there be in it an infant who lives but a few days, or an old man who does not live out his years; the one who dies at a hundred will be thought a mere child; the one who fails to reach a hundred will be considered accursed. 

NLT- “No longer will babies die when only a few days old.
No longer will adults die before they have lived a full life.
No longer will people be considered old at one hundred!
Only the cursed will die that young!

So it appears that people will experience death in that period. 

1Cor. 15:26- The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

            :28- And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

This means it is at the end/after that period when death is conquered, likely coinciding closely with the fire from heaven that destroys the masses stirred by Satan being released. Those enemies will still need to be defeated.

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[Alive]

1 minute ago, Uriah said:

Hello Alive,

                    I had believed the time when death is defeated is at the end of the millennium. Here is why:

Is. 65:20- There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.

NIV-“Never again will there be in it an infant who lives but a few days, or an old man who does not live out his years; the one who dies at a hundred will be thought a mere child; the one who fails to reach a hundred will be considered accursed. 

NLT- “No longer will babies die when only a few days old.
No longer will adults die before they have lived a full life.
No longer will people be considered old at one hundred!
Only the cursed will die that young!

So it appears that people will experience death in that period. 

1Cor. 15:26- The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

            :28- And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

This means it is at the end/after that period when death is conquered, likely coinciding closely with the fire from heaven that destroys the masses stirred by Satan being released. 

Among other things, this assumes a literal 1000 years. So again I ask what happens when Christ returns?

A 1000 year rule of Christ and His Body on an earth where evil still exists, where both unregenerated evil and resurrected perfected saints dwell together?

Square that with what we 'know' happens when Christ returns. Resurrection, Judgement, all enemies defeated including death.

Show me two 'Day of the Lords' in scripture without assumptions.

Show me.

[Uriah]

22 minutes ago, Alive said:

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Among other things, this assumes a literal 1000 years. So again I ask what happens when Christ returns?

No assumption, it is stated multiple times in scripture.

 

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A 1000 year rule of Christ and His Body on an earth where evil still exists, where both unregenerated evil and resurrected perfected saints dwell together?

Now THAT is an assumption. I have never believed that.

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Square that with what we 'know' happens when Christ returns. Resurrection, Judgement, all enemies defeated including death.

Including the massive rebellion who DIE AFTER death is defeated?

Show me two 'Day of the Lords' in scripture without assumptions.

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Show me.

Indeed, show ME.

 

 

[Uriah]

Sorry for the posting glitch. 

[Retrobyter]

2 hours ago, Alive said:

Among other things, this assumes a literal 1000 years. So again I ask what happens when Christ returns?

Shabbat shalom, Alive.

It's a good assumption, because the Scriptures say a "thousand years" (Greek: chilia etee) MULTIPLE TIMES in more than one passage of Scripture! (Revelation 20:1-7; 2 Peter 3:3-13; 1 Corinthians 15:20-28; Psalm 90:4; Isaiah 65:22)

However, this "1000 years" is NOT about "Christ reigning on earth," but is rather about the INCARCERATION of haSatan. For those who THINK there will be a "thousand-year reign with Christ," it's not enough. Gavri'eel ("Gabriel") told Miryam  ("Mary"):

Luke 1:30-33 (KJV)

30 And the angel said unto her,

"Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. 31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. 32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: 33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
 

The Messiah (the "Christ") will go into "rescue mode!" He will literally rescue His people - the nation of Israel - because they are FAMILY! MISHPOCHAH! He shall be a "man with a mission" when He returns!

Zechariah 12:1-9 (KJV)

1 The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.

2 Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem. 3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it. 4 In that day, saith the LORD, I will smite every horse with astonishment, and his rider with madness: and I will open mine eyes upon the house of Judah, and will smite every horse of the people with blindness. 5 And the governors of Judah shall say in their heart, The inhabitants of Jerusalem shall be my strength in the LORD of hosts their God.

6 In that day will I make the governors of Judah like an hearth of fire among the wood, and like a torch of fire in a sheaf; and they shall devour all the people round about, on the right hand and on the left: and Jerusalem shall be inhabited again in her own place, even in Jerusalem. 7 The LORD also shall save the tents of Judah first, that the glory of the house of David and the glory of the inhabitants of Jerusalem do not magnify themselves against Judah. 8 In that day shall the LORD defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the LORD before them. 9 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.

Zechariah 14:1-21 (KJV)

1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee. 2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished (raped); and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city. 

3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle. 4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south. 5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark: 7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.

8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.

9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.

10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin's gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king's winepresses. 11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.

12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth. 13 And it shall come to pass in that day, that a great tumult from the LORD shall be among them; and they shall lay hold every one on the hand of his neighbour, and his hand shall rise up against the hand of his neighbour. 14 And Judah also shall fight at Jerusalem; and the wealth of all the heathen round about shall be gathered together, gold, and silver, and apparel, in great abundance. 15 And so shall be the plague of the horse, of the mule, of the camel, and of the ass, and of all the beasts that shall be in these tents, as this plague.

16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles (the feast of booths; Sukkot). 17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.

18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles. 19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

20 In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD; and the pots in the LORD'S house shall be like the bowls before the altar. 21 Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the LORD of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein: and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts.

Isaiah 63:1-19 (KJV)

1 Who is this that cometh from Edom, with dyed garments from Bozrah? this that isglorious in his apparel, travelling in the greatness of his strength? I that speak in righteousness, mighty to save.

2 Wherefore art thou red in thine apparel, and thy garments like him that treadeth in the winefat?

3 I have trodden the winepress alone; and of the people there was none with me: for I will tread them in mine anger, and trample them in my fury; and their blood shall be sprinkled upon my garments, and I will stain all my raiment.

4 For the day of vengeance is in mine heart, and the year of my redeemed is come.

5 And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me.

6 And I will tread down the people in mine anger, and make them drunk in my fury, and I will bring down their strength to the earth.

7 I will mention the lovingkindnesses of the LORD, and the praises of the LORD, according to all that the LORD hath bestowed on us, and the great goodness toward the house of Israel, which he hath bestowed on them according to his mercies, and according to the multitude of his lovingkindnesses.

8 For he said, Surely they are my people, children that will not lie: so he was their Saviour.

9 In all their affliction he was afflicted, and the angel of his presence saved them: in his love and in his pity he redeemed them; and he bare them, and carried them all the days of old.

10 But they rebelled, and vexed his holy Spirit: therefore he was turned to be their enemy, and he fought against them.

11 Then he remembered the days of old, Moses, and his people, saying, Where is he that brought them up out of the sea with the shepherd of his flock? where is he that put his holy Spirit within him?

12 That led them by the right hand of Moses with his glorious arm, dividing the water before them, to make himself an everlasting name?

13 That led them through the deep, as an horse in the wilderness, that they should not stumble?

14 As a beast goeth down into the valley, the Spirit of the LORD caused him to rest: so didst thou lead thy people, to make thyself a glorious name.

15 Look down from heaven, and behold from the habitation of thy holiness and of thy glory: where is thy zeal and thy strength, the sounding of thy bowels and of thy mercies toward me? are they restrained?

16 Doubtless thou art our father, though Abraham be ignorant of us, and Israel acknowledge us not: thou, O LORD, art our father, our redeemer; thy name is from everlasting.

17 O LORD, why hast thou made us to err from thy ways, and hardened our heart from thy fear? Return for thy servants' sake, the tribes of thine inheritance.

18 The people of thy holiness have possessed it but a little while: our adversaries have trodden down thy sanctuary.

19 We are thine: thou never barest rule over them; they were not called by thy name.

 

2 hours ago, Alive said:

A 1000 year rule of Christ and His Body on an earth where evil still exists, where both unregenerated evil and resurrected perfected saints dwell together?

Yep. That's pretty close. We're point-blank TOLD that this would be the case! That's what the parable of the wheat and the tares is all about!

It's also found in Psalm 2:1-12.

2 hours ago, Alive said:

Square that with what we 'know' happens when Christ returns. Resurrection, Judgement, all enemies defeated including death.

Well, this is your misunderstanding. While resurrection of those who belong to the Messiah will happen at the BEGINNING of the 1,000 years, the General Judgment doesn't occur until the END of the 1,000 years. The whole of the 1,000 years will be a SINGLE DAY, because the whole time, the "Sun of Righteousness" shall shine.

That little phrase, "all enemies defeated including death," won't be an instantaneous occurrence. It will take TIME to accomplish all this! That's what Paul was telling us in 1 Corinthians 15:20-28.

2 hours ago, Alive said:

Show me two 'Day of the Lords' in scripture without assumptions.

Show me.

First, the "days" are multiple, not "the Lord." 

One such "Day of the LORD" is above in Zechariah 14:1.