Here I go again

[R. Hartono]

17 hours ago, other one said:

Don't know what he looked like when he was here, but this is a pretty good description of him now according to John:

Rev 1:12-16

12 Then I turned to see the voice that was speaking to me, and on turning I saw seven golden lampstands, 13 and in the midst of the lampstands one like a son of man, clothed with a long robe and with a golden sash around his chest. 14  The hairs of his head were white like wool, as white as snow. His eyes were like a flame of fire, 15  his feet were like burnished bronze, refined in a furnace, and his voice was like the roar of many waters. 
ESV
 

It doesnt matter whether Lord Jesus is white or brown or black.

[other one]

On 10/30/2021 at 6:57 AM, R. Hartono said:

It doesnt matter whether Lord Jesus is white or brown or black.

I don't believe I said one way or another.  If it mattered I would have said so.

 

[Hopefully]

On 10/29/2021 at 6:43 AM, Greenie said:

Hebrew Israelites.

I’m not sure they are all the same. The group I interacted with was racist and only hold to the OT. They didn’t believe in Jesus. 
 

They said all non black and Non Hispanics are from the devil. I showed them this but they did not care:

“Then I looked, and there was a large crowd of people. There were so many people that no one could count them all. They were from every nation, tribe, race of people, and language of the earth. They were standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They all wore white robes and had palm branches in their hands.

They shouted loudly, “Victory belongs to our God, who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb.” The elders and the four living beings were there. All the angels were standing around them and the throne. The angels bowed down on their faces before the throne and worshiped God. They said, “Amen! Praise, glory, wisdom, thanks, honor, power, and strength belong to our God forever and ever. Amen!”
Then one of the elders asked me, “Who are these people in white robes? Where did they come from?” I answered, “You know who they are, sir.” And the elder said, “These are the ones who have come out of the great suffering. They have washed their robes with the blood of the Lamb, and they are clean and white.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭7:9-14‬ ‭

 

 

Edited November 1, 2021 by Hopefully

[Sower]

On 10/29/2021 at 5:43 AM, Greenie said:

Hebrew Israelites

Actually I can tell you all about them. They're Sinners just like the rest of us. And someday  we will stand before God who will not be looking at our skin or what tribe we descended from but  looking at our heart. Has it been washed by the blood .? There's the rub...

[Dennis1209]

This question reminds me of all the pictures and paintings I have seen of Jesus, a handsome European man. Unfortunately, photography was not around in Jesus' day, and He never had a portrait of Himself made. Jesus came as a Lamb, and a humble servant; no doubt He did not want to standout by looks, height or muscular physical appearance, or anything distinguishing. I take what Isaiah says is, He is less than handsome or muscular from the human secular perspective. Jesus' appearance was ordinary at best.

Isaiah 53:2 (KJV) For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.

We know what distinguishes the difference between the Jew and the Samaritan. Jesus blood-line and genealogy was pure Jewish. Looking at the general Jewish population today, I would think 2,000 years would not have changed anything. The typical male Jew is about 5' 8" tall, with an olive complexion. There are a number of "theories" about a person's skin pigmentation, that's much too long to discuss.

I do not think we as humans, can understand the full consequences, of what Jesus bore on His Cross for His love of humanity.

Isaiah 52:14 (KJV) As many were astonied at thee; his visage was so marred more than any man, and his form more than the sons of men: Isaiah 50:6 I gave my back to the smiters, and my cheeks to them that plucked off the hair: I hid not my face from shame and spitting. Matthew 26:67 Then did they spit in his face, and buffeted him; and others smote him with the palms of their hands,

There are more scriptures that describe the suffering, pain, disfigurement, marring and scourging Jesus endured; such as Psalm 22. To pull out the beard of any man, for any reason, was viewed as degrading and dishonorable. Much of Jesus beard was pulled out by hand. 

Look at how many people Jesus appeared to after His resurrection, that did not recognize Him? Why? Did the Lord blind everyone's eyes so they would not recognize Him, or was Jesus so disfigured they did not know Him, or a combination of both? 

After Jesus' resurrection in His glorified body, He still bore His scares for all to see, and invited doubting Thomas to examine them. If He still bore His scares, that would also include His disfigurements from all His scourging's and abuse. 

The above leads me to believe, Jesus will bear all those scars and disfigurements for all of eternity. Perhaps as an eternal reminder of what He did and went through, so we could be with Him for all of eternity? Jesus is now standing as our advocate before the throne of God. He bore our punishment and torture in our place. From an eternal perspective, would it make any sense, that He would ever shed those proofs and sacrifices of what He went through and suffered for us? 

Edited November 2, 2021 by Dennis1209

[Marathoner]

19 minutes ago, Dennis1209 said:

There are a number of "theories" about a person's skin pigmentation, that's much too long to discuss.

You dipped into a well of debunked stereotypes there, the sort that have no place in Christ Jesus nor His Body. A "number" of theories about skin pigmentation? There is only one:

Melanin protects the cells of our body from exposure to solar radiation. A certain threshold of solar radiation (sunlight) is required by the human body for optimal cellular metabolism; we suffer when deprived of sunlight for extended periods. What's "too long" to discuss is the role solar radiation plays in the production of certain substances in the body (like vitamin D), and the effects solar radiation have upon body systems. 

Skin pigmentation is all about protecting our body from excessive exposure to solar radiation, my friend. That's it in a peer-reviewed nutshell. 

As for your characterization of Jews, that nonsense was debunked over 60 years ago. Judaism is not dependent upon genetic code; Jewishness is therefore not genetic any more than Christianity is genetic in origin. Cultural? To a degree. Dependent upon the older generation indoctrinating the younger generation? Absolutely, but not biological in origin. 

Racialism is pseudoscientific claptrap designed to offer a veneer of respectability to those who are fixated upon this flesh. Sorry, but I've met Jewish folks who didn't adhere to your stereotype, Dennis. 

 

[Dennis1209]

13 minutes ago, Marathoner said:

You dipped into a well of debunked stereotypes there, the sort that have no place in Christ Jesus nor His Body. A "number" of theories about skin pigmentation? There is only one:

Melanin protects the cells of our body from exposure to solar radiation. A certain threshold of solar radiation (sunlight) is required by the human body for optimal cellular metabolism; we suffer when deprived of sunlight for extended periods. What's "too long" to discuss is the role solar radiation plays in the production of certain substances in the body (like vitamin D), and the effects solar radiation have upon body systems. 

Skin pigmentation is all about protecting our body from excessive exposure to solar radiation, my friend. That's it in a peer-reviewed nutshell. 

As for your characterization of Jews, that nonsense was debunked over 60 years ago. Judaism is not dependent upon genetic code; Jewishness is therefore not genetic any more than Christianity is genetic in origin. Cultural? To a degree. Dependent upon the older generation indoctrinating the younger generation? Absolutely, but not biological in origin. 

Racialism is pseudoscientific claptrap designed to offer a veneer of respectability to those who are fixated upon this flesh. Sorry, but I've met Jewish folks who didn't adhere to your stereotype, Dennis. 

 

Well, my friend, you certainly read a lot into what is not there, with your stereotype accusations. Tell me, what was my thinking or my intention, when in once sentence, I mentioned skin pigmentation? 

We can politely agree to disagree, but who are you to lecture me on my biblical hermeneutics. Thankfully the ignore button is my friend. Have a nice day.

[AandW_Rootbeer]

On 10/29/2021 at 12:02 PM, other one said:

Don't know what he looked like when he was here, but this is a pretty good description of him now according to John:

Rev 1:12-16

12 Then I turned to see the voice that was speaking to me, and on turning I saw seven golden lampstands, 13 and in the midst of the lampstands one like a son of man, clothed with a long robe and with a golden sash around his chest. 14  The hairs of his head were white like wool, as white as snow. His eyes were like a flame of fire, 15  his feet were like burnished bronze, refined in a furnace, and his voice was like the roar of many waters. 
ESV
 

Yep, He sounds like One Cool Brutha!

[Starise]

If you grow enough hair no one knows what color you are. Just a casual observation.

[Dennis1209]

4 hours ago, Starise said:

If you grow enough hair no one knows what color you are. Just a casual observation.

Waz up Starise?

One of the OPs topics was Jesus' ethnicity, which I gave my thoughts. The "theories" I was thinking about, as far as skin pigmentation, that I didn't address as stated. Were all the commentaries out there of Ham being the father of the black race; Japheth the Europeans and Chinese etc.; adaptations of the environment and climate through migrations and the like. All of which are not biblically addressed.

Here I thought the Jews were separate from the Gentile world, and God's peculiar chosen people? An identifiable ethnic and cultural people through the millennia. That did not breed themselves out like the Samaritans eventually did. But I got corrected by a self-righteous know it all. You just can't give your biblical perspective on here anymore, without something coming out of the wood work.