The Great Tribulation Will Be Upon The Antichrist And Wicked, The Sealed Church Is Protected, Dont Be Deceived

[Bawb]

1 minute ago, truth7t7 said:

No need to watch another man's interpretation on youtube, it's in my hands in writing, the good ole King James Version

Meh, it's better than watching Die Hard, Lethal Weapon, Scrooge, Home Alone or some other insipid Hellywierd drivel...

[truth7t7]

14 minutes ago, enoob57 said:

John 3:29 (KJV) [29] He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled.
The Bible states three 1. Christ= Bridegroom 2. Bride = Church 3. Friend of the Bridegroom = OT saints.

I disagree with your interpretation that the OT saints are friends

[truth7t7]

1 minute ago, Bawb said:

Meh, it's better than watching Die Hard, Lethal Weapon, Scrooge, Home Alone or some other insipid Hellywierd drivel...

Smiles, can't disagree

Just as you mentioned corruption in what claims to be the church, is the same with prophecy buffs on youtube X 10

I stick to the written word, stings concordance, and the Holy Spirit

Edited December 26, 2021 by truth7t7

[truth7t7]

5 minutes ago, Walter Goraj jr said:

Well let's talk about it. I see the events you mentioned more in a spiritual way. 

I see them in a future literal way, feel free to elaborate on your belief, a few claims and verses at a time

I believe the Antichrist is literal future, good starting point?

[enoob57]

56 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

I disagree with your interpretation that the OT saints are friends

Well that what John the Baptist called himself… let Scripture speak for itself!
Jesus also divided them out as well
Matthew 11:11-13 (KJV) [11] Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.
[12] And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.
[13] For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.
 

[Diaste]

17 hours ago, The Light said:

Pretty weak. Completely dismissing those trumpets as nothing. And we see that wrath IS come at the 6th seal.

Rev 6

17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

Let's get a little dose of the trumpets that you want to dismiss as nothing.

Rev 8

7 The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up.

8 And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood;

9 And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed.

10 And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters;

11 And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.

12 And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise.

Now you get the three woes. And you think that's not wrath?

At the 5th seal, and men being tortured for 5 months. Then you got a third part of mankind killed at the 7th trumpet, but that's NOT THE WRATH OF GOD?

And let's not forget about the 7 thunders. We don't even know what happens then.

Rev 10

4 And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.

Also, we see that the kingdoms of this world ARE become the kingdoms of our Lord. And you think that wrath has not begun?

Rev 11

15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

The only way that the kingdoms of this word are become the kingdoms of our Lord is if Jesus has returned and set His kingdom up on earth. 

Rev 10

7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

The mystery of God is finished when the 7th trumpet BEGINS to sound.

I didn't say any of that. I said wrath is imminent at the 6th seal and begins at the 7th trump. I'm saying scripture teaches the last trump and trump of God and the great sound of a trump are all the same, all are associated with Jesus coming and the gathering and, they all are references to the 7th trump of Revelation. 

The 7th trump, at which time Jesus appears and we are gathered and wrath begins. The only mention of wrath is come is at the 6th seal and the 7th trump and that wrath is contained in the 7 bowls only. Not in the seals or the trumps. Seals and trumps are concurrent/successive. The open/sound in succession and run concurrently with each other.

[The Light]

10 hours ago, Diaste said:

I didn't say any of that. I said wrath is imminent at the 6th seal and begins at the 7th trump. I'm saying scripture teaches the last trump and trump of God and the great sound of a trump are all the same, all are associated with Jesus coming and the gathering and, they all are references to the 7th trump of Revelation. 

The 7th trump, at which time Jesus appears and we are gathered and wrath begins. The only mention of wrath is come is at the 6th seal and the 7th trump and that wrath is contained in the 7 bowls only. Not in the seals or the trumps. Seals and trumps are concurrent/successive. The open/sound in succession and run concurrently with each other.

Poor logic brother.

There is no possible way that the seals and trumpets can run at the same time. The trumpets cannot be sounded until the 7th seal is opened. 

It always puzzles me when people come up with the order of Revelation that is so easily proven as impossible. The trumpets cannot sound until the 7th seal is opened, therefore what you are saying is incorrect. You don't understand that?

[Diaste]

On 12/27/2021 at 12:19 PM, The Light said:

Poor logic brother.

There is no possible way that the seals and trumpets can run at the same time. The trumpets cannot be sounded until the 7th seal is opened. 

It always puzzles me when people come up with the order of Revelation that is so easily proven as impossible. The trumpets cannot sound until the 7th seal is opened, therefore what you are saying is incorrect. You don't understand that?

I don't see 'no possible way'. Maybe it sounds improbable, I get that. I was a bit overwhelmed by it as well back in the day, with my background as learned in the pretrib doctrine. 

"Then the angel took the censer, filled it with fire from the altar, and hurled it to the earth; and there were peals of thunder, and rumblings, and flashes of lightning, and an earthquake." 7th Seal

"Then the temple of God in heaven was opened, and the ark of His covenant appeared in His temple. And there were flashes of lightning, and rumblings, and peals of thunder, and an earthquake, and a great hailstorm." 7th Trump

"And there were flashes of lightning, and rumblings, and peals of thunder, and a great earthquake the likes of which had not occurred since men were upon the earth—so mighty was the great quake." 7th Bowl

Idk. Maybe these same conditions occur 3 times months or years apart. I don't think so.

"The sky receded like a scroll being rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved from its place." 6th Seal

"Then every island fled, and no mountain could be found." 7th Bowl.

So the mountains and islands are moved then put back so sometime later the islands could disappear again? Hmm...

"And there were flashes of lightning, and rumblings, and peals of thunder, and an earthquake, and a great hailstorm." 7th Trump

"And great hailstones weighing almost a hundred pounds each rained down on them from above. And men cursed God for the plague of hail, because it was so horrendous." 7th Bowl

You could be right. But there would have to be two hailstorms, one at the 7th Trump and one at the 7th Bowl. Several conditions just in this small bit of scripture above would have to be duplicated, or in triplicate, if 7 trumps are sounded only after all the seals were opened.

Not only this but I can see the effects of the trumps in the seals. The first 3 trumps bring about scarcity of food grains, goods and water. The loss of all the green grass means the herds are going to die off as well so meat is also soon to be scarce. Wars have been fought for less. In the 2nd seal we have war and men killing each other. 

Why? It's not a stretch to think it's over scarce resources.

A result of scarcity is rationing. Many interpret the 3rd seal as economic collapse. Some say it's a global famine. I think it's rationing based on scarcity to alleviate the coming famine; a famine based on the fact the 1st trump burned up all the green grass. 

 Another result of scarcity is death. If all the green grass is gone there is no harvest. The herds are dead in a matter of months if they have no pasture. Stored grains and silage only last the one season for the herds. So we have a disastrous shortfall of grains and meat, just because of the 1st trump. What follows is death from every side as the 4th seal depicts. 

And what about the water? Death comes inside a week with no water. There is a connection there with wars and death and the lack of water. Again a trump can easily be seen in one or more seals as wars have been fought over water rights and people have died as a result. What happens when there is no fresh water? People will not take it in a calm rational manner. 

Starvation and poor nutrition allows for death by disease. With the herds gone predators will turn to killing anything that moves. Men and countries will kill for food, water and goods. Don't underestimate the power and influence of empty bellies and thirsty mouths.

The first 3 trumps are literally within seals 2-4 from what I see.

 

[The Light]

5 hours ago, Diaste said:

I don't see 'no possible way'. Maybe it sounds improbable, I get that. I was a bit overwhelmed by it as well back in the day, with my background as learned in the pretrib doctrine. 

Thanks for detailed answer. Can you answer me this? Is this taught in Churches, that the seals and trumpets run concurrently?

I would not say that I had a pretrib background, but I believed in a pretrib rapture as that's usually what you got if you listened to people. As I began to study more it became very clear that the rapture takes place at the sixth seal. That meant the rapture was either post trib or prewrath, however you wanted to look at it. I knew that the coming of Jesus in Matthew 24 was not when Jesus comes to set up His kingdom on earth, when He sets His foot on the Mount of Olives. I knew that it was Jesus coming for a rapture, and that would occur at the 6th seal. Therefore, I knew that those that taught a pretrib rapture were wrong.

Even though I was totally confident that the rapture occurred at the 6th seal, things just never added up. There were always problems that didn't make sense. Once I had the understand that the fig tree has two harvests things started adding up. It was not the Church that is raptured at the 6th seal, it is the 12 tribes across the earth. Once I realized that the 70th week of Daniel is about the people of Daniel, I began to get a better picture. If God is going to take both Gentile and Jew as He declares, how does that work. Part of the Jews eyes aren't opened until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in. That means the Church is raptured before the 70th week of Daniel and the final week is about Gods Chosen.

Two raptures, two harvests, one when it is like the days of Noah and likewise also, one when it is like the days of Lot. 

I'll address the rest of your post soon as I found it interesting.

5 hours ago, Diaste said:

 

 

 

 

[JoeCanada]

On 12/27/2021 at 12:59 AM, Diaste said:

I'm saying scripture teaches the last trump and trump of God and the great sound of a trump are all the same, all are associated with Jesus coming and the gathering and, they all are references to the 7th trump of Revelation. 

Hi Diaste,

The biggest problem I see with equating the 7th trump of Revelation with the trump in I Thes 4:16:

"For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first".....

 The trumpet in Rev is blown by an angel, where in 1 Thes it is the trump of God, blown by God.

The Great Sound of a Trumpet is the "long last trumpet" blast on the feast of Yom Teruah, which is also Rosh Hashanah which is the Feast of the Blowing of Trumpets. 

Tekiah Gadolah literally is "great sound of a trumpet"

Jesus referred to this trumpet blast directly by saying " And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds"................ Matt 24:31

In 1Cor 15:52, Paul referred to the "last trumpet". There are three trumpet blasts on mo-edim (feasts of the Lord). The first trumpet was blown on Pentecost and the last trumpet was blown on Yom Teruah, which as shown above was the long trumpet blast.