False teachers

[missmuffet]

3 minutes ago, B-B said:

@missmuffet spiritual warfare is nothing new. Scripture advised the early disciples, as it advises us. I'm well aware of the Battle, and our Spiritual armour.

If you believe that there is false teaching in the worthy forums, then why not address it directly when you believe it arises, with whomever you believe is bringing it in? 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I do address it. But it doesn't go away and it will not until God comes back at the second coming. 

[B-B]

13 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

I do address it.

This is good to hear

13 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

But it doesn't go away

No, it won't. But it's a reality, and always has been. 

We Address it, as it arises...hopefully with humility and love.

Edited January 2, 2022 by B-B

[debrakay]

4 hours ago, Rosie1jack2pauline3 said:

What do you mean when you say, We are not responsible for people’s response to the good news ?

I believe Jesus' parable of the seed (Matthew 13:1-23) explains how it is the ground of the heart and by the power of the Holy Spirit determines whether or not the seed will grow.  We are to plant the seed of the good news of Jesus Christ that ALL men can come to love, salvation and forgiveness through the cross and blood of Jesus.  It is not up to us to determine if the seed is falling on good ground or bad ground as we witness to others.

[debrakay]

I think the part of this scripture that disturbs me more is the part about the "elect" being deceived.  The Greek word is eklektos which means favorite, elect, chosen.  When false teachers and prophets start showing full blown signs and wonders even some of God's chosen will be deceived.  The KJV uses the word "seduce" (lead astray) instead of "deceive".

Matthew 13:22
For false christs and false prophets will rise and show signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.

Edited January 2, 2022 by debrakay

[Alive]

7 minutes ago, debrakay said:

I think the part of this scripture that disturbs me more is the part about the "elect" being deceived.  The Greek word is eklektos which means favorite, elect, chosen.  When false teachers and prophets start showing full blown signs and wonders even some of God's chosen will be deceived.  The KJV uses the word "seduce" (lead astray) instead of "deceive".

Matthew 13:22
For false christs and false prophets will rise and show signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.

If possible is the important part of this verse.

[OneLight]

10 minutes ago, Alive said:

If possible is the important part of this verse.

Yes, very important.

[debrakay]

But not impossible, correct? Otherwise why would the warning be there?  Some of the most elite/chosen WILL be deceived/seduced by false teachers and prophets and I for one will always be on guard. 

@missmuffet spoke about the WHOLE armor of God we need to make sure is on tight and secure for every moment of every day as the end draws closer.

[Selah7]

22 minutes ago, debrakay said:

I think the part of this scripture that disturbs me more is the part about the "elect" being deceived.  The Greek word is eklektos which means favorite, elect, chosen.  When false teachers and prophets start showing full blown signs and wonders even some of God's chosen will be deceived.  The KJV uses the word "seduce" (lead astray) instead of "deceive".

Matthew 13:22
For false christs and false prophets will rise and show signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.

Hi, debrakay  —  Actually, the Elect (Chosen) will be the only ones NOT deceived.  They will never bow a knee to the AC and will endure to the very end.

[debrakay]

1 minute ago, Selah7 said:

Hi, debrakay  —  Actually, the Elect (Chosen) will be the only ones NOT deceived.  They will never bow a knee to the AC and will endure to the very end.

That is not what the scripture says to me.  Some may fall to the lies of the false teachers and false prophets even though they call themselves chosen and believe they are saved.  God knows the truth of the heart of each one and He will be the final say no matter what we think or believe in our own human minds.  I believe this is a warning to not think so highly of ourselves that we think we cannot be outwitted/seduced/deceived by the devil. Good people fall into his traps every day.

If I remember rightly Peter succumbed 3 times to the devil just on the night of the crucifixion. 

Jesus' warning still stands:

Mark 13:5-6 - And Jesus, answering them, began to say: “Take heed that no one deceives you. For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am He,’ and will deceive many.

[teddyv]

6 hours ago, missmuffet said:

Romans 16:17 

Now I urge you, brethren, note those who cause divisions and offenses, contrary to the doctrine which you learned, and avoid them. For those who are such do not serve our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly, and by smooth words and flattering speech deceive the hearts of the simple.

 

I am seeing a lot of this on Worthy. 

For example? This is kind of a vague charge to make (i.e. link to a thread)

6 hours ago, missmuffet said:

 

Matthew 7:16

Now I urge you, brethren, note those who cause divisions and offenses, contrary to the doctrine which you learned, and avoid them.  For those who are such do not serve our Lord ^[Jesus Christ, but their own belly, and by smooth words and flattering speech deceive the hearts of the simple.

We are responsible to share the true literal Word of God. We are not responsible for people's response to the good news. 

 

What do you mean by "the true literal Word of God"? Is that equivalent to the gospel?