Russia Preparing for War.

[Dennis1209]

51 minutes ago, Marilyn C said:

Hi Dennis,

Have you noticed in Isaiah 17 that -

`in that day a man will look to his Maker, and his eyes to the Holy one of Israel...` (Isa. 17: 7)

That surely is AFTER the trib, and into the millennium.

Hello, once again Marilyn, interesting conversation. 

Before I comment on my thoughts on Isa. 17:7 and its meaning. Given the context and content before and after this verse, the whole chapter in fact. You suspect this happens in the most peaceful 1,000 years in human history, during the reign of Christ?

[Marilyn C]

1 hour ago, Dennis1209 said:

Hello, once again Marilyn, interesting conversation. 

Before I comment on my thoughts on Isa. 17:7 and its meaning. Given the context and content before and after this verse, the whole chapter in fact. You suspect this happens in the most peaceful 1,000 years in human history, during the reign of Christ?

No. I believe it happens at the great earthquake.

`And there were noises and thunderings and lightenings; and a great earthquake, such a mighty earthquake as had not occurred since men were on the earth.

Now the great city was divided into three parts and THE CITIES OF THE NATIONS FELL. ` (Rev. 16: 18 & 19) 

Easy to miss that last part. Imagine the devastation. 

[angels4u]

3 hours ago, Dennis1209 said:

Hello, once again Marilyn, interesting conversation. 

Before I comment on my thoughts on Isa. 17:7 and its meaning. Given the context and content before and after this verse, the whole chapter in fact. You suspect this happens in the most peaceful 1,000 years in human history, during the reign of Christ?

Interesting conversation, it's a good question to ask when the destructuction of Damaskus might happen,I found this article by Dr Daniel Woodhead and like you and Marilyn  to read it,let me know what you think?http://doctorwoodhead.com/damascus-became-a-ruinous-heap/

[The Light]

21 hours ago, R. Hartono said:

Its clearly seen the 1st Gog n magog invasion is to rob the land of israel b4 Christ Millennium. Its God Himself who put the hook at their jaws and draw them to battle.

But the 2nd Gog Magog will be lead by the devil to try to kill Lord Jesus in Jerusalem and replace him with the devil to rule the world 

 

Hey R. Hartono,

What leads you to believe that there are two?

[debrakay]

On 1/18/2022 at 1:38 PM, other one said:

I really would suggest we all take stock in our relationship with the Lord.

Daily!!! 

Psalms 118:24 (NKJV)
This is the day the Lord has made; We will rejoice and be glad in it.

[debrakay]

Just a thought when reading all of this.  The $850 billion of US equipment left in the area (Afghanistan) should fit nicely into the plans of someone for this upcoming war.

[The Light]

On 2/2/2022 at 9:33 AM, JoeCanada said:

Hi Light,

Looking at Rev 20:8>.... 

"8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea........

The nations are in the four corners of the earth.... they are not from the north only as Ezekiel 38:6 says. 

And they came up on the broad plain of the earth...."

And yet Magog is north.

On 2/2/2022 at 9:33 AM, JoeCanada said:

In Rev 16:17>.... we are told that at the seventh bowl of Wrath, every island fled away and the  mountains were not found. This is the finale, after the trumpet earthquakes which began to flatten the high places. The earth is now a broad plain!

So we now see that the earth is a broad plain. God's Holy Mountain will be the light for the nations. God's Holy Mountain is the New Jerusalem.

We don't know if mountains form in 1000 years.

On 2/2/2022 at 9:33 AM, JoeCanada said:

We also see that "fire came down from heaven and devoured them"...Rev 20:9

And we see that "the devil was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone where he will be tormented day and night forever and forever"...Rev 20:10

Now in Ezekiel, we don't see these things. 

Revelation 20

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

Eze 38

22 And I will plead against him with pestilence and with blood; and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the many people that are with him, an overflowing rain, and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone.

 

On 2/2/2022 at 9:33 AM, JoeCanada said:

We see that God brings down Gog from Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, which is in the region of Turkey, not Russia. 

God says he will be summoned in the latter years, and come into the land, to the mountains of Israel... Ezek 38: 7-9

Notice it says "mountains"...plural.

As stated earlier, there could be mountains in 1000 years.

On 2/2/2022 at 9:33 AM, JoeCanada said:

Now you were questioning Ezekiel 38:11..."11 And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates"

Even today, Israel is living "somewhat" securely in their land. And in the days to come, during the 70th week of Daniel or probably just prior to that, they will make a covenantal pact with a promise of peace and security. That could be the days of the fulfilling of Ezekiel 38:11. We will have to wait and see I guess. 

I will go up to the land of UNWALLED VILLAGES.

On 2/2/2022 at 9:33 AM, JoeCanada said:

But Ezekiel 38 carries on and in:

verse 16..."It shall come about in the last days that I will bring you against My Land, so that the nations may know Me...

18- It will come about on that day, when Gog comes against the land of Israel....(what day?... it's the Day of the Lord)

19- there will surely be a great earthquake in the land of Israel (there is no earthquake in Rev 20 spoken of)...

20- the mountains will also be thrown down (plural mountains)....

21-I will call for a sword against him on all My mountains (of Israel, plural mtns)...

22...with pestilence and with blood I will enter into judgment with him..(there is no mention of this in Rev 20)

That is only Ezekiel 38.

Then there is Ezekiel 39........

Ezekiel 39:4... "You will fall on the mountains of Israel....I will give you as food to every kind of predatory bird and beast of the field..." (there is no talk or any mention of this happening in Rev 20 )

Ezekiel 39:11... On that day I will give Gog a burial ground there in Israel..." ( again this does not happen in Rev 20)

Ezekiel 39: 21-24... there is no way, no how that this can take place in Rev 20:

If Gog is buried in Israel in Israel at Armageddon, what's he doing 1000 years later in Rev 20?

On 2/2/2022 at 9:33 AM, JoeCanada said:

“And I will set My glory among the nations; and all the nations will see My judgment which I have executed and My hand which I have laid on them.  And the house of Israel will know that I am the Lord their God from that day onward.  The nations will know that the house of Israel went into exile for their iniquity because they acted treacherously against Me, and I hid My face from them; so I gave them into the hand of their adversaries, and all of them fell by the sword.  According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions I dealt with them, and I hid My face from them.”

My holy name I will make known in the midst of My people Israel; and I will not let My holy name be profaned anymore. And the nations will know that I am the Lord, the Holy One in Israel.   (Ezekiel 39:7)

These are certainly verses that lean heavily toward your point. And verses that I have certainly noticed in the past. But there are many verses that seem to tell a different story.

Eze 39

9 And they that dwell in the cities of Israel shall go forth, and shall set on fire and burn the weapons, both the shields and the bucklers, the bows and the arrows, and the handstaves, and the spears, and they shall burn them with fire seven years:

Armies of today would show up with trucks and tanks and jets. After Armageddon there are not weapons of war. It will be 1000 years of peace. When war happens at the end of the 1000 years, I would think that the weapons would be bows and arrows, spears and shields.

On 2/2/2022 at 9:33 AM, JoeCanada said:

Ezekiel is the Time of Jacob's trouble.

It happens during the 70th week of Daniel.

Not before it.

Not after it.

But during it.

 

Lots of things are spoken of in Ezekiel. 

Anyway, I really think you made some great points, Joe. Well done. It's certainly a tough call.

But the Word does say that Gog Magog happens after the 1000 years, and that Gog is buried. 

[Marilyn C]

4 hours ago, angels4u said:

Interesting conversation, it's a good question to ask when the destructuction of Damaskus might happen,I found this article by Dr Daniel Woodhead and like you and Marilyn  to read it,let me know what you think?http://doctorwoodhead.com/damascus-became-a-ruinous-heap/

`The Arab states and Damascus will all receive a final judgment at the start of the Messianic Kingdom.`

I agree with that statement by Dr Woodhead.

Thank you angels4u. 

[Retrobyter]

On 1/29/2022 at 9:45 PM, The Light said:

It's certainly an excellent point Joe and I have noted it in the past. But there is this verse that must be addressed.

Rev 20

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

And there's this

Eze 38

11 And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates,

It's a tough call.

 

Shalom, The Light.

Gowgh (the Leader) and Magowgh (the Land and its people) are just players at two different time periods: (1) before the Millennium begins (in the battle that ends at Har-Meggidown and (2) after the Millennium when they are incited by haSatan.

I should add that nations that come against Israel during Har-Megiddown will consist of soldiers men (and possibly some women) who are of fighting age, but the wives and children were left behind in their land. After a thousand years, a nation can re-build significantly.

Edited February 4, 2022 by Retrobyter
to answer a question

[Retrobyter]

1 hour ago, Marilyn C said:

`The Arab states and Damascus will all receive a final judgment at the start of the Messianic Kingdom.`

I agree with that statement by Dr Woodhead.

Thank you angels4u. 

Shalom, Marilyn C.

While there will be the Judgment of the Sheep and the Goats (a war tribunal after Har-Megiddown), nations are judged there, and people are not yet thrown into the Lake of Fire. They just have consequential roles at the beginning of the Millennium, based on how they treated God's people, the children of Israel and those adopted into the Kingdom based upon the blood of the Messiah.

It's sort of a "final judgment," except most of it is probably just aftermath from the battles.