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BlindSeeker -

I find you line of logic quite interesting. Comparing the Beast in Revelation to Daniel's vision of Beasts (which lines up with Nebecchednezzer's (sp?) vision of the statue - err, whatever the toes are...) instead of the Beast being a person, as in the Antichrist (a singular person) is very intriguing. Interestingly, it makes a lot of sense.

A couple of questions though.

Israel a Beast? :) Please explain this one; that seems a bit too radical of thought. How could this be the mount of the Harlot?

Looking at your list of Empires - notice how from Egypt to Rome, these Empires pretty much run back to back to each other, some responsible for defeating the predecessor, whereas there is a hu-u-u-u-u-ge gap (several centuries) between Rome and England. Could this be what is meant by the "was, is not, and will be"?

I'm very interested in hearing the rest of what you have to say.

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Dr. Luke -

Just a nit pick, but I believe it a stretch to say that Reagan defeated communism. Communism pretty much fell on its own, don't you think?

Specifically, Israel's LEADERSHIP is the 2d beast in Revelation, the one which comes out of the Land.

The first beast is Rome.

Communism was a rotten tree, Reagan just gave it the push it needed to topple over, but that is not germane to the topic.

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BlindSeeker -

I find you line of logic quite interesting. Comparing the Beast in Revelation to Daniel's vision of Beasts (which lines up with Nebecchednezzer's (sp?) vision of the statue - err, whatever the toes are...) instead of the Beast being a person, as in the Antichrist (a singular person) is very intriguing. Interestingly, it makes a lot of sense.

A couple of questions though.

Israel a Beast? :) Please explain this one; that seems a bit too radical of thought. How could this be the mount of the Harlot?

Looking at your list of Empires - notice how from Egypt to Rome, these Empires pretty much run back to back to each other, some responsible for defeating the predecessor, whereas there is a hu-u-u-u-u-ge gap (several centuries) between Rome and England. Could this be what is meant by the "was, is not, and will be"?

I'm very interested in hearing the rest of what you have to say.

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Dr. Luke -

Just a nit pick, but I believe it a stretch to say that Reagan defeated communism. Communism pretty much fell on its own, don't you think?

Specifically, Israel's LEADERSHIP is the 2d beast in Revelation, the one which comes out of the Land.

The first beast is Rome.

Communism was a rotten tree, Reagan just gave it the push it needed to topple over, but that is not germane to the topic.

While your response is to Sister Nebula's 6 year old post, I will say that that I address it thoroughly in the following posts . . . since her's was post 7 out of 120

However, I do disagree with your assertion that the second beast is the leadership of Israel, but that too is addressed in the following posts.


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Ive heard 2 ideas on this. One will be that he will be the leader of the EU. The other I have heard is that the beast will come back disguised as Pope John Paul 2.


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Ive heard 2 ideas on this. One will be that he will be the leader of the EU. The other I have heard is that the beast will come back disguised as Pope John Paul 2.

Then counting this one . . . if you read it, make's 3


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Ive heard 2 ideas on this. One will be that he will be the leader of the EU. The other I have heard is that the beast will come back disguised as Pope John Paul 2.

Then counting this one . . . if you read it, make's 3

Exactly! Ideas alone, and speculation. Is that a good thing? I would venture to say no? :emot-hug:


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Ive heard 2 ideas on this. One will be that he will be the leader of the EU. The other I have heard is that the beast will come back disguised as Pope John Paul 2.

Then counting this one . . . if you read it, make's 3

Exactly! Ideas alone, and speculation. Is that a good thing? I would venture to say no? :emot-hug:

That's the problem. Speculation based on the incorrect assumption that the book is primarily about future events. It isn't. It's primarily about PAST events, specifically the punishment of Jerusalem double for her sins and the destruction of the Temple and the ushering in of the Meesianic Age.


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Ive heard 2 ideas on this. One will be that he will be the leader of the EU. The other I have heard is that the beast will come back disguised as Pope John Paul 2.

Then counting this one . . . if you read it, make's 3

Exactly! Ideas alone, and speculation. Is that a good thing? I would venture to say no? :emot-hug:

That's the problem. Speculation based on the incorrect assumption that the book is primarily about future events. It isn't. It's primarily about PAST events, specifically the punishment of Jerusalem double for her sins and the destruction of the Temple and the ushering in of the Meesianic Age.

Revelation 4:1

After these things I looked, and behold, a door standing open in heaven. And the first voice which I heard was like a trumpet speaking with me, saying,


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Ive heard 2 ideas on this. One will be that he will be the leader of the EU. The other I have heard is that the beast will come back disguised as Pope John Paul 2.

Then counting this one . . . if you read it, make's 3

Exactly! Ideas alone, and speculation. Is that a good thing? I would venture to say no? :)

That's the problem. Speculation based on the incorrect assumption that the book is primarily about future events. It isn't. It's primarily about PAST events, specifically the punishment of Jerusalem double for her sins and the destruction of the Temple and the ushering in of the Meesianic Age.

Revelation 4:1

After these things I looked, and behold, a door standing open in heaven. And the first voice which I heard was like a trumpet speaking with me, saying,


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You have four separate people's quotes above and the OP is over 6 years old. If you are asking someone a specific question perhaps a direct address to them and the words quoted of which you are making the inquiry.

Sorry for the confusion. I was following the posts I quoted, all from within the past couple of days. To make it clearer, I will reask the question to teh one I was directing it to.

That's the problem. Speculation based on the incorrect assumption that the book is primarily about future events. It isn't. It's primarily about PAST events, specifically the punishment of Jerusalem double for her sins and the destruction of the Temple and the ushering in of the Meesianic Age.

Revelation 4:1

After these things I looked, and behold, a door standing open in heaven. And the first voice which I heard was like a trumpet speaking with me, saying, “Come up here, and I will show you things which must take place after this.”

John wrote this around 90 AD, and you say this is about the time of 70 AD.


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Thanks OneLight . . . was just trying to keep up . . .

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