The alive and remaining are changed - doesn't that mean all the rest died?

[iamlamad]

17 minutes ago, Josheb said:

Satan is a defeated enemy. 

That has nothing to do with Satan still being the god or price of this planet. Even as a "defeated enemy" He will give authority over the Rev. 13 beast  because he knows God has allowed it. Even as a defeated enemy he will cause the Beast and False prophet to create many days of great tribulation. Those days will be coming soon.

[George]

Why does God mention a 1000-year reign of Jesus in Revelation 20 ... is it an ETERNAL KINGDOM ... or is it ONLY for 1000 years?   Think about it ... It makes SENSE in the entirety of Scriptures beginning in Genesis 1!  Why is there a SHABBAT REST?  What is the ETERNAL KINGDOM referring to?  Is there a NEW HEAVENS AND A NEW EARTH? 

Be blessed!

[George]

24 minutes ago, Josheb said:

Satan is a defeated enemy. 

Victory is ONLY GIVEN over to the SAINTS who claim their AUTHORITY in HIM!  He's still ravaging havoc on this world ... unless you think this is heaven? 

[iamlamad]

11 minutes ago, Josheb said:

ALL of that is solely a product of Dispensationalism. 

No Christian outside of Dispensationalism thinks these things, nor thinks that way. Most of Christendom does not make distinctions between Christ's heavenly reign and his earthly reign; there is only one king and only one throne, and only one kingdom and he is sovereign over all principalities, whether in heaven or on earth. Only Dispensationalism divides these things in the manner expressed in these posts.

Just as surely as the sun will come up tomorrow in the East, Jesus will come to earth (dispite "shortly" and "at hand") and fight the battle of Armageddon, then set up His earthly Kingdom. But 7 plus years before that He will come for His church. You can take that to the bank, so to speak.

For those whose belief system will not allow them to believe there remains two more comings of our Lord, perhaps it is time to drop that belief system!

[iamlamad]

3 minutes ago, George said:

Victory is ONLY GIVEN over to the SAINTS who claim their AUTHORITY in HIM!  He's still ravaging havoc on this world ... unless you think this is heaven? 

Well said!

[iamlamad]

31 minutes ago, George said:

The reality is that the Future Messianic Kingdom has a STRONG aspect of the Jewish people and their part in the Kingdom.  Many preterists do no believe in the prophetical significance of the Jewish people ... thus do not understand that the KINGDOM of Jesus coming is Headquarters in JERUSALEM!

Eze 37:24  And David My servant shall be King over them. And there shall be one Shepherd to all of them. And they shall walk in My judgments, and obey My Laws, and do them. 

Eze 37:25  And they shall dwell in the land that I have given to Jacob My servant, the land in which your fathers have lived. And they shall dwell in it, even they and their sons, and the sons of their sons for ever. And My servant David shall be their ruler forever. 

Eze 37:26  And I will cut a covenant of peace with them. It shall be an everlasting covenant with them. And I will place them, and multiply them, and will set My sanctuary in their midst forever. 

Eze 37:27  And My tabernacle shall be with them. Yea, I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 

Eze 37:28  And the nations shall know that I Jehovah sanctify Israel, when My sanctuary shall be in their midst forever. 

This is why understanding Israel is a key component in understanding the 1000-year reign of Jesus!

 

Hallelujah! Bring it to pass, Lord, just as you have said!

[iamlamad]

34 minutes ago, Josheb said:

@George, 

I want to thank you for your time and effort in the thread. I am sure everyone is appreciative given your busy schedule. I have one last question for you. According to the 6,000/7,000 year cycle, our September 2039 will be the end of the 6,000 year cycle and the beginning of the millennium. 

 

What will you do if Jesus does not come to earth by the end of September 2039? 

 

I'm not trying in any way to show any disrespect, provoke, or be cheeky in any way. It is a serious and sincere inquiry. 

 

What will you do if Jesus does not come to earth by the end of September 2039? 

I will cross that bridge If and when I get too it. However, I doubt seriously that Jesus will tarry that long. 

It is a good question though.

I could ask a similar question: what will you do if Jesus comes tomorrow and you are left behind?

[angels4u]

1 hour ago, George said:

In the 1st century ... there was a PHYSICAL TEMPLE and a SPIRITUAL TEMPLE.

Act 3:1  Now Peter and John went up together into the temple at the hour of prayer, being the ninth hour. 

1Co 3:16  Do you not know that you are a temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? 

1Co 3:17  If anyone defiles the temple of God, God shall destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which you are. 

The Scriptures are full of examples of those things in the Spirit ... and then things in the Physical!

You do realize that you didn’t quote me but probably Josh?

[DeighAnn]

Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

 

What happens before that?  

Revelation 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

Revelation 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

Revelation 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

What happens before that?

Revelation 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

Revelation 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

What happens before that?

Revelation 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

Revelation 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

What happens before that?

Revelation 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

Revelation 19:12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

Revelation 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

Revelation 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

What happens before that?
 

Revelation 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

Revelation 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

What happens before that?

Revelation 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

Revelation 11:4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

Revelation 11:5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.

Revelation 11:6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

Revelation 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

Revelation 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

Revelation 11:9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.

Revelation 11:10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

Revelation 11:11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

Revelation 11:12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

Revelation 11:13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

Revelation 11:14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

What happens before that?
 

Revelation 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

Revelation 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

Revelation 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

Revelation 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

Revelation 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

Revelation 13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

Revelation 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Revelation 13:9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.

What happens before that?

Revelation 6:1 And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.

Revelation 6:2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

Revelation 6:3 And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see.

Revelation 6:4 And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.

Revelation 6:5 And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand.

Revelation 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.

Revelation 6:7 And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see.

Revelation 6:8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

Revelation 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

Revelation 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

Revelation 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

Revelation 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

Revelation 6:13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

Revelation 6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

Revelation 6:15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

Revelation 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

Revelation 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

What happens before that?

Revelation 5:1 And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.

Revelation 5:2 And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof?

Revelation 5:3 And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.

Revelation 5:4 And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.

Revelation 5:5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.

Revelation 5:6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

Revelation 5:7 And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.

Revelation 5:8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.

Revelation 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

Revelation 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

Revelation 5:11 And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands;

Revelation 5:12 Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing.

Revelation 5:13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.

Revelation 5:14 And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four and twenty elders fell down and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever.


What happens before that?


Revelation 2:1 Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks;

Through

Revelation 3:22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

THAT IS WHAT IS WRITTEN AND THAT IS HOW IT COMES SHALL COME TO PASS. 
NO MATTER WHAT ANYONE BELIEVES HAPPENED AT ANY OTHER TIME THIS IS HOW IT ALL GOES DOWN.  

IF IT DOESN'T PROVE IT.  

IT IS ALL LITERAL WITH FIGURATIVE AND SYMBOLIC LANGUAGE MIXED IN FOR US TO UNDER STAND THE DEEPER TRUTHS 

IT WILL BE AS REAL AS IT WAS WHEN JESUS WALKED THE EARTH THE LAST TIME.  HE IS DESCENDING AS HE ASCENDED AND THERE IS NOT ONE WORD OF HIM ASCENDING EVER AGAIN.  

YES, HIS KINGDOM IS ETERNAL IN THE SPIRITUAL SENSE.  THAT DOES NOT NEGATE WHAT IS AND IS NOT HAPPENING UPON THE EARTH, AGAIN AS WE ALL KNOW, ALL UNDER GODS CONTROL.  YES, EVERYTHING IS BY HIS PERMISSION AND SO IT REALLY TAKES PLACE JUST AS IT IS WRITTEN.  

YES, THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS WITHIN BELIEVERS RIGHT NOW BUT RIGHT NOW ALL THE KINGDOMS OF THE WORLD ARE UNDER THE PRINCE OF THE POWER OF THE AIR.  AND WILL BE UNTIL CHRIST PHYSICALLY RETURNS TO EARTH TO SIT UPON THE THRONE OF DAVID.  

WE ARE POSITIVE IT WILL TAKE PLACE HERE ON EARTH BECAUSE IT WOULD HAVE BEEN HERE ON EARTH THE LAST TIME HAD IT NOT BEEN REJECTED.  THE SPIRITUAL TRUTHS DO NOT NEGATE THE LITERAL TRUTHS AS THE LITERAL TRUTHS DO NOT NEGATE THE SPIRITUAL ONES.  

CHRIST WILL BE COMING TO EARTH.  ALL THE KINGDOMS OF EARTH WILL BE UNDER HIS LITERAL AND PHYSICAL CONTROL.  THERE WILL BE ALL NATIONS WORKING UNDER HIS DIRECTION.  THERE WILL BE LAW AND ORDER.  THERE WILL BE NO DEATH.  


NOW THAT WE KNOW FOR SURE THERE IS A LITERAL 1000 YEAR REIGN OF CHRIST 

WHEN CHRIST RETURNS 

THERE WILL BE 2 AND ONLY 2 GROUPS OF PEOPLE ON THE EARTH

THE WALKING DEAD WHO TAKEN THE MARK OF THE BEAST

AND THOSE WHO HAVE REMAINED ALIVE BY NOT HAVING TAKEN THE MARK OF THE BEAST.  

DOES THIS DESCRIBE WHAT HAPPENS TO THE WHOLE WORLD UPON THE RETURN OF CHRIST?  


Revelation 19:16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

Revelation 19:17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;

Revelation 19:18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

Revelation 19:19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

Revelation 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Revelation 19:21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

DOES THAT LEAVE A SINGLE HUMAN BEING ALIVE?  


 

[George]

For those who want to read what the Rabbis wrote in discussing the times of the Messiah.

אמר רב קטינא שית אלפי שני הוו עלמא וחד חרוב שנאמר (ישעיהו ב, יא) ונשגב ה' לבדו ביום ההוא אביי אמר תרי חרוב שנאמר (הושע ו, ב) יחיינו מיומים ביום השלישי יקימנו ונחיה לפניו

§ Rav Ketina says: Six thousand years is the duration of the world, and it is in ruins for one thousand years. The duration of the period during which the world is in ruins is derived from a verse, as it is stated: “And the Lord alone shall be exalted on that day” (Isaiah 2:11), and the day of God lasts one thousand years. Abaye says: It is in ruins for two thousand years, as it is stated: “After two days He will revive us; in the third day He will revive us, and we shall live in His presence” (Hosea 6:2).

תניא כותיה דרב קטינא כשם שהשביעית משמטת שנה אחת לז' שנים כך העולם משמט אלף שנים לשבעת אלפים שנה שנאמר ונשגב ה' לבדו ביום ההוא ואומר (תהלים צב, א) מזמור שיר ליום השבת יום שכולו שבת ואומר (תהלים צ, ד) כי אלף שנים בעיניך כיום אתמול כי יעבור

It is taught in a baraita in accordance with the opinion of Rav Ketina: Just as the Sabbatical Year abrogates debts once in seven years, so too, the world abrogates its typical existence for one thousand years in every seven thousand years, as it is stated: “And the Lord alone shall be exalted on that day,” and it states: “A psalm, a song for the Shabbat day” (Psalms 92:1), meaning a day, i.e., one thousand years, that is entirely Shabbat. And it says in explanation of the equation between one day and one thousand years: “For a thousand years in Your eyes are but like yesterday when it is past, and like a watch in the night” (Psalms 90:4).

תנא דבי אליהו ששת אלפים שנה הוי עלמא שני אלפים תוהו שני אלפים תורה שני אלפים ימות המשיח

The school of Eliyahu taught: Six thousand years is the duration of the world. Two thousand of the six thousand years are characterized by chaos; two thousand years are characterized by Torah, from the era of the Patriarchs until the end of the mishnaic period; and two thousand years are the period of the coming of the Messiah.

This is a portion of a Talmudic passage found in Sanhedrin 97a.

I posted this for background information for those who are interested.

Be blessed.