The alive and remaining are changed - doesn't that mean all the rest died?

[DeighAnn]

49 minutes ago, Josheb said:

No Christian in the New Testament was an "Old Testament Jew."

Not even Paul?

[DeighAnn]

59 minutes ago, Josheb said:

Your own post proves your own statement false. 

 

No Christian in the New Testament was an "Old Testament Jew." No one. They were all new covenant Jews or new covenant converts to Christ from among the Gentiles (Luke may not have been Jewish). The New Testament states quite plainly the Old was veiled and not fully understood, even though all its Christ-relevant content is there to be seen as such. 

2 Corinthians 3:12-16
Therefore, having such a hope, we use great boldness in our speech, and are not like Moses, who used to put a veil over his face so that the sons of Israel would not look intently at the end of what was fading away.  But their minds were hardened; for until this very day at the reading of the old covenant the same veil remains unlifted, because it is removed in Christ.  But to this day whenever Moses is read, a veil lies over their heart; but whenever a person turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. 

 

Not only does the post contradict itself; it contradicts scripture. 

And the salient point, lest we forget it, is that understanding a "Hebraic mindset" is important but 1) there are many claims made about the Hebraic/Jewish mindset that simply are not true, and 2) the Jews got a bunch of stuff wrong. It is therefore necessary to rely upon the New and newer to understand the Old and older, making note of where the scriptures tell us the Hebrews/Jews were correct and where they were incorrect. 

AND..... 

To tie this back to the op, which is about Revelation 19, that book was not specifically written to or about the Hebrews. It is true John referenced the Old Testament over 340 times in that book (and scores of other times in his gospel and epistles) but he did so as a convert to Christ, not as an old covenant Jew. 

I don't understand, if they weren't OLD TESTAMENT JEWS FIRST, then where did the New Covenant Jews come FROM?

Because I see it from a different perspective doesn't MEAN

"Not only does the post contradict itself; it contradicts scripture"   

it means THAT IT IS VIEWED THAT WAY BY THE PERSON RESPONDING.

AND JUST BECAUSE THE PERSON RESPONDING DOESN'T SEE IT THE SAME WAY DOESN'T MEAN THAT VIEW IS CORRECT.   JUST BECAUSE IT IS SAID DOESN'T MAKE IT TRUTH.  I WOULD APPRECIATE AN 'IN MY OPINION' WHEN MAKING SUCH STATEMENTS ABOUT WHAT I HAVE PUT FORTH. 

Edited March 30, 2022 by DeighAnn

[Alive]

8 minutes ago, George said:

Revelance... Because you are arguing out of absence of the NT as if the OT is irrevelant.  For example, NO WHERE in the Bible does it EXPLAIN why God chose 7 days to create the world?  Why not 1 day?  Why not 10 days?  But HE chose 7 days...why?

Perhaps you should recognize that Jesus CELEBRATED Shabbat every week... He never once celebrated Sunday as a day.  He is coming back again and Shabbat will have a special place once again.  Why?  What is the significance?

Why 7 days?  Show me where it explains why God chose 7 days to create the world in the NT?

Wow! This blows my mind.

everything in scripture points to Christ.

When our work is exhausted, we find our true rest in Christ.

This is at the heart of the Gospel.

We know Jesus celebrated the spirit of the Sabbath to fulfill the Law.

He even schooled the Jewish leadership in the Truth of the Sabbath.

I think you know these things, but you seem to be struggling to uphold a vacuous position and sacrificing the Truth you know while doing it.

Take a breath, brother.

[George]

Just now, Alive said:

When our work is exhausted, we find our true rest in Christ.

This is at the heart of the Gospel.

We know Jesus celebrated the spirit of the Sabbath to fulfill the Law.

Of course... And I've explained this many times... But why 7 days?

[George]

@Alive

 

[DeighAnn]

57 minutes ago, Josheb said:

No.  It is not. There is no mention of anyone in that sentence. It is a simple objective observation of the facts in evidence within the posts of this thread regardless of who has posted. Not a single word of it was or is personal or attacking. 

 

I ask that things not actually posted not be read into my posts. 

THAT DOESN'T HOLD TRUE TO THOSE WHO READ THE ORIGINAL RESPONSE, at least 'this part of the 'those''. 
THE TRUTH IS EASILY SEEN IN THE POSTS THAT FOLLOWED.  Personally couldnt believe it took that long.  I don't think I am exceptionally bright and neither does anyone else,  so if I can DISCERN it then....
I SEE IT AS being CALLED OUT, not read into.  So, just another different approach AND WE ALL would like to be addressed as we would prefer but time and again, it doesn't happen, instead we see    

[Alive]

2 minutes ago, George said:

Of course... And I've explained this many times... But why 7 days?

Lol.

Ok I will play.

Because He chose 6 logical groupings of a successive order of creating?

Speculating on what scripture does not explicitly say, leads to the kind of devisiveness we are witnessing. Perhaps, this is why in near 50 years of fellowshipping and learning with the concious realization of the Lord’s headship seldom even looked at eschatology.

:-)

[Selah7]

18 minutes ago, Alive said:

I think you know these things, but you seem to be struggling to uphold a vacuous position and sacrificing the Truth you know while doing it.

Take a breath, brother.

I think you need to show George a little more respect.  No need for this sort of conduct.

[George]

6 minutes ago, Alive said:

Speculating on what scripture does not explicitly say, leads to the kind of devisiveness we are witnessing. Perhaps, this is why in near 50 years of fellowshipping and learning with the concious realization of the Lord’s headship seldom even looked at eschatology.

Does God do ANYTHING without a reason?  He chose 7 days...think about it!  He also chose the sun, moon, and stars to show us his appointed times!  If someone else has a Biblical view as to WHY there is a 7 day cycle...then perhaps the reasoning is what I've been suggesting all along.  

[angels4u]

This is what I found on the 8th day ,George is it accurate?

 

The 8th Day – A comparison timeline of the 7 Days of Creation & the 7000 year age

 

In a previous study we looked at a Biblical timeline from Creation upto the Exile. While this comparison was briefly touched upon in that study, the below chart contains the dates, ages and the necessary Scripture passages to make it easy for self study.

As you see below, The Creation account itself gives us a prophetic overview of everything which would happen on earth. Some could dismiss this idea. But you be the judge of the similarities given below.

1st Day – Light and Darkness (in the 1st 1000 years, Adam sins, bringing darkness into the earth)
2nd Day – Separation of Waters (in the 2nd 1000 years, the Flood happened separating Noah from all other people on earth)
3rd Day – Earth brought forth trees through seed (in the 3rd 1000 years, Abraham is promised to be father of Nations through his Seed, bringing forth the nation of Israel referred to as a tree)
4th Day – Lights in the firmament (in the 4th 1000 years, Messiah brings light to our world)
5th Day – Multiplying of creatures (in the 5th 1000 years, Populations soar, Many nations and Religions come into existence, the main ones being Roman Catholicism & Islam)
6th Day – God creates Man in His image (in the 6th 1000 years, the time period we live in, it seems that God is creating a people for Himself)
7th Day – God ended His work (in the 7th 1000 years, yet to come, Messiah will rule and reign on earth as it is written in the Scriptures)

Referred to as the “Great Day”, the 8th Day of the Week of Tabernacles is the culmination of God’s Prophetic Calendar. This Day points to a time which is beyond our age, where God creates a new Heaven and new Earth and He Himself is the light in it.

 

https://biblethingsinbibleways.wordpress.com/tag/8th-day/