Passover/Holy Communion

[~Shalhevet~]

When Jesus celebrated Passover with the disciples do you think he meant to replace the annual Passover with weekly holy communion?  Why or why not?  

[Hobie_]

1 hour ago, ~Shalhevet~ said:

When Jesus celebrated Passover with the disciples do you think he meant to replace the annual Passover with weekly holy communion?  Why or why not?  

No, that was a invention of the Roman Catholic Church for their ancient rituals of another origin. Need to dig below the surface on these issues.....

[Billiards Ball]

1 hour ago, ~Shalhevet~ said:

When Jesus celebrated Passover with the disciples do you think he meant to replace the annual Passover with weekly holy communion?  Why or why not?  

Bread and wine and blessings are a part of weekly and even daily life for Jewish people.

We likely overcomplicated things and Jesus was saying, "Remember me often, when you eat and bless God for food."

[~Shalhevet~]

@Hobie_  My impression is the same as yours, but I wanted to hear all sides. 

[Anne2]

6 hours ago, ~Shalhevet~ said:

When Jesus celebrated Passover with the disciples do you think he meant to replace the annual Passover with weekly holy communion?  Why or why not?  

IMO. The Christian/Messianic Passover is a real/true Passover. A memorial of the fulfillment of the promises made to Abraham our father. Since passover memorializes an event, which is promised to Abraham, there should be no cause to think in terms of "replacement". But we should think in terms of fulfillment of things that belong to Abraham, and his seed. It is an Abrahamic event, so to speak.

Edited April 14, 2022 by Anne2

[Anne2]

5 hours ago, Hobie_ said:

No, that was a invention of the Roman Catholic Church for their ancient rituals of another origin. Need to dig below the surface on these issues.....

There was no Roman Church when Christ instituted his passover Memorial. The covenant made in his blood. The feasts and their sacrifices all, were made by him through him and for him.

[WilliamL]

On 4/14/2022 at 5:00 AM, ~Shalhevet~ said:

When Jesus celebrated Passover with the disciples do you think he meant to replace the annual Passover with weekly holy communion?  Why or why not?  

When Jesus instituted "the new covenant," that is exactly what it was: a new covenant. It did not replace the Passover; rather, it began a new ceremony and a new celebration. But some think that "the old [is] better."

[Hobie_]

On 4/14/2022 at 1:22 PM, Anne2 said:

There was no Roman Church when Christ instituted his passover Memorial. The covenant made in his blood. The feasts and their sacrifices all, were made by him through him and for him.

Look closer... https://www.thereporter.com/2020/04/11/the-passover-easter-connection/#:~:text=When Emperor Constantine stopped the,align with the solar calendar.”

[Anne2]

1 hour ago, Hobie_ said:

Look closer... https://www.thereporter.com/2020/04/11/the-passover-easter-connection/#:~:text=When Emperor Constantine stopped the,align with the solar calendar.”

Hobie, this could/should be a separate thread. But to just briefly respond concerning lunar vs solar. reckoning of days. This is a copy paste from Chabad.org. A christain, of Jewish descent wrote asking concerning the days/dates of passover on the Jewish liturgical calendar He was confused. I give this to to in love in the hope to rid ourselves of animosity over it, as well as false accusations of things of the past, as well as today.

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I’m of Jewish ancestry but lived most of my life as a Christian. Now, after many decades, I’m returning to my roots and planning to hold a bona fide Seder for my family. I’m confused, however, regarding when to celebrate. In a number of places in the Bible it states that Passover is on the 14th of Nissan, yet the Jewish calendar shows Passover starting the following night, which is already the 15th of Nissan. How come?

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Take careful note of the answer of the RECKONING OF DAYS WITHE REGARDS TO SACRIFICES.

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In response to your question, you’re correct that the Torah refers to Passover on the 14th. But it also refers to the “Festival of Matzot” on the 15th. Why the discrepancy?

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So what is this “Passover” on the 14th? It is not the Festival of Matzahs, since that only begins that evening (since the Jewish days begin at nightfall). Rather, it is the Passover offering, which was slaughtered on the 14th and eaten that night—the 15th—together with matzah at the onset of the Festival of Matzahs.

The Name Change

 the Festival of Matzahs in the Torah, it has come to be known as Pesach, or Passover, in common parlance and even in our liturgy.

A Long Day

Also note that, in a certain sense, the celebration of the 15th is considered to be an extension of the 14th. How so? With regard to sacrifices, the verse states, “And the flesh of his thanksgiving peace offering shall be eaten on the day it is offered up; he shall not leave any of it over until morning.”4 In other words, if you were given one day to eat an offering, the day consisted of the daytime followed by its night (unlike all other purposes, for which Jewish calendar days consist of the night followed by the day). Thus, as far as sacrifices are concerned, the night after a sacrifice is brought is an extension of the day it is brought.5

 

Therefore, when it comes to the celebration of the Passover sacrifice, while it was eaten on the 15th, it was considered to be the same day as the 14th.

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Scripturally what is going on? IMO, scripture clearly says these offerings were to in addition to, or alongside the daily sacrifices. In other words these sacrifices are reckoned not by Lunar, but solar as to the morning and evening sacrifices each on its day.

37  These are the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, to offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD, a burnt offering, and a meat offering, a sacrifice, and drink offerings, every thing upon his day:

While you all count them evening by evening, The night followed by the day. In the feastal offerings the day followed by the night.

This might have something to do with the quartodecman controversy in the Church. Since the sacrifices for sin added to the festival sacrifices on everyone of those (solar) days, as Josephus says were added intentionally as a feast for the priests. That controversy was well after the Levitical Sacrifices were brought for them for seven days, then seven weeks
And the reason why 3 days and three nights was NEVER a dispute of the Church historically.

Edited May 24, 2022 by Anne2

[JohnD]

On 4/14/2022 at 12:22 PM, Anne2 said:

There was no Roman Church when Christ instituted his passover Memorial. The covenant made in his blood. The feasts and their sacrifices all, were made by him through him and for him.

I believe they were commenting on the interference / take over by the Roman Catholic Church since the time that  Jesus instituted the last supper / communion (which is Passover Seder).

Not that Roman interference had anything to do with it originally.