Interesting passage gives insights into Predestination and Foreknowledge

[Heleadethme]

2 hours ago, JohnD said:

2 Peter 1:20–21 (AV)
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

1. Knowing this first 
2. no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
3. prophecy came not in old time by the will of man:
4. but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

All scripture came in this prophetic fashion ergo all scripture is prophetic.

1 John 4:1 (AV)
1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

Acts 17:11 (AV)
11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

When we do these things, we are amazed by how there are no variations, disagreements, etc.

The fault lies in not choosing to allow God to tell his own story.

 

Amen.  And "the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy"....it's all pointing to JESUS/YESHUA and His GOSPEL.  (which arrived in the first century)

[OneLight]

Here is our most recent conversations so nobody has to scroll back and forth.

1 hour ago, Alive said:

I wonder if folks have ever given thought to the many thousands of believers since Pentecost across the world, who had no bibles available to them…for many centuries and how they managed?

 

1 hour ago, OneLight said:

Yes, and there are those still today who do not have bibles ... Romans 2:12-17 spoke of those who did not have the law yet did what was right anyway.

Saying that, this is a very dangerous territory to tread in.  Without His word, what then becomes the yardstick by which we measure right and wrong?

 

1 hour ago, Alive said:

Christ in you and me.

 

50 minutes ago, OneLight said:

I'd say through the Holy Spirit working with us as He is here to convict us of sin.  Nowhere in scripture does it say that Christ is in those who do not know Him.

 

32 minutes ago, Alive said:

That last sentence confuses me. Are you saying that I have said this?

Have you read my core understanding of the Gospel in my links below?

What I responded to is your statement of "Christ in me and you".  I assumed that you were answering my question of "Without His word, what then becomes the yardstick by which we measure right and wrong?", which is referring to those in Romans 2:12-17, which were gentiles who did not have or know scripture.  Seeing that they had no scripture to understand who Christ is, how would Christ be in them?  So, yeah, that is where I believed you were coming from.  Without you giving more of an explanation, how would anyone else know any different?

[Alive]

5 minutes ago, OneLight said:

Here is our most recent conversations so nobody has to scroll back and forth.

 

 

 

 

What I responded to is your statement of "Christ in me and you".  I assumed that you were answering my question of "Without His word, what then becomes the yardstick by which we measure right and wrong?", which is referring to those in Romans 2:12-17, which were gentiles who did not have or know scripture.  Seeing that they had no scripture to understand who Christ is, how would Christ be in them?  So, yeah, that is where I believed you were coming from.  Without you giving more of an explanation, how would anyone else know any different?

Well, ok. A number of responses to that is possible, but I will simple say, “no, that is a Life away from what I meant”. I did not in any way whatsoever say or imply that. It is nonsense at its face.

Y’all have been reading my many posts for 2.5 years or so and to think I would suggest such is a surprise to me. But, I have been surprised before. No harm, no foul.

:-)

[OneLight]

39 minutes ago, Alive said:

Well, ok. A number of responses to that is possible, but I will simple say, “no, that is a Life away from what I meant”. I did not in any way whatsoever say or imply that. It is nonsense at its face.

Y’all have been reading my many posts for 2.5 years or so and to think I would suggest such is a surprise to me. But, I have been surprised before. No harm, no foul.

:-)

I know no foul was meant, but what were you responding to then?  You got me wondering ...

[Alive]

5 minutes ago, OneLight said:

I know no foul was meant, but what were you responding to then?  You got me wondering ...

Confused again….just not sure what you mean. You asked me a question and I answered. Christ in you and me and all born from above saints. The Paraclete that walks alongside to Help us.

Life in an assembly looking to the head is an organic expression of Himself, as He works in and among us. 
 

If I may, suggest, this was and is more real in some than others.

[OneLight]

28 minutes ago, Alive said:

Confused again….just not sure what you mean. You asked me a question and I answered. Christ in you and me and all born from above saints. The Paraclete that walks alongside to Help us.

Life in an assembly looking to the head is an organic expression of Himself, as He works in and among us. 
 

If I may, suggest, this was and is more real in some than others.

I guess we are not even talking about the same things here, so I will just back out of this thread and let everyone continue without me getting involved.

[Alive]

1 minute ago, OneLight said:

I guess we are not even talking about the same things here, so I will just back out of this thread and let everyone continue without me getting involved.

Yup…it seemed that way to me.

Love you, brother.

[Sower]

1 hour ago, OneLight said:

I guess we are not even talking about the same things here, so I will just back out of this thread and let everyone continue without me getting involved.

I think I understand , perhaps, your intent, OneLight, or your question.
Without a benchmark (yardstick/gauge/standard/law) how can someone know direction. When we sin, (believers with the holy spirit/law),  we 'miss the mark' or miss the target. We have God's yardstick/will clearly throughout scripture.
Those who do not have the law/standard or target or mark to aim at would have no way of knowing (God's) right from wrong. These would be those who have not the law. The lost who have not heard.

OneLight said;
"Without His word, what then becomes the yardstick by which we measure right and wrong?", which is referring to those in Romans 2:12-17, which were gentiles who did not have or know scripture. 

 "For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;

¹³ (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

¹⁴ "For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves"

¹⁵ "Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another"    (built in benchmark, conscience-heart)

¹⁶ In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel"

This is my go-to scripture (above) when ask about the natives living on a secluded island with never having heard the word. (No benchmark/standard/law)
And they also will be judged for the little/much they were given.
Romans 1  "For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse."

We who receive much will be judged accordingly
"To whom much is given, much is required"

Trying to shed a little light here,  Alive and OneLight, for understanding, without interfering with your discussion.
I understood and can understand how two minds can travel two directions upon hearing the exact same words. I do it often.

 

 

 

 

[Alive]

13 minutes ago, Sower said:

I think I understand , perhaps, your intent, OneLight, or your question.
Without a benchmark (yardstick/gauge/standard/law) how can someone know direction. When we sin, (believers with the holy spirit/law),  we 'miss the mark' or miss the target. We have God's yardstick/will clearly throughout scripture.
Those who do not have the law/standard or target or mark to aim at would have no way of knowing (God's) right from wrong. These would be those who have not the law. The lost who have not heard.

 

 "For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;

¹³ (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

¹⁴ "For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves"

¹⁵ "Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another"    (built in benchmark, conscience-heart)

¹⁶ In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel"

This is my go-to scripture (above) when ask about the natives living on a secluded island with never having heard the word. (No benchmark/standard/law)
And they also will be judged for the little/much they were given.
Romans 1  "For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse."

We who receive much will be judged accordingly
"To whom much is given, much is required"

Trying to shed a little light here,  Alive and OneLight, for understanding, without interfering with your discussion.
I understood and can understand how two minds can travel two directions upon hearing the exact same words. I do it often.

 

 

 

 

Please repair this post….that quote was not mine. Thank you.

[OneLight]

26 minutes ago, Sower said:

I think I understand , perhaps, your intent, OneLight, or your question.
Without a benchmark (yardstick/gauge/standard/law) how can someone know direction. When we sin, (believers with the holy spirit/law),  we 'miss the mark' or miss the target. We have God's yardstick/will clearly throughout scripture.
Those who do not have the law/standard or target or mark to aim at would have no way of knowing (God's) right from wrong. These would be those who have not the law. The lost who have not heard.

 

 "For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;

¹³ (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

¹⁴ "For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves"

¹⁵ "Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another"    (built in benchmark, conscience-heart)

¹⁶ In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel"

This is my go-to scripture (above) when ask about the natives living on a secluded island with never having heard the word. (No benchmark/standard/law)
And they also will be judged for the little/much they were given.
Romans 1  "For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse."

We who receive much will be judged accordingly
"To whom much is given, much is required"

Trying to shed a little light here,  Alive and OneLight, for understanding, without interfering with your discussion.
I understood and can understand how two minds can travel two directions upon hearing the exact same words. I do it often.

Yes, that is what I was thinking of, and I also use those verses when speaking about people who never heard about the bible, God (as we know Him), Jesus, the Holy Spirit or salvation.

Also, Alive is correct, the second quote in your reply is not from Alive, but from me.