Interesting passage gives insights into Predestination and Foreknowledge

[B-B]

7 minutes ago, Heaven_Bound said:

But these only apply to those who are Believers.   You accept Christ and become Saved.   Now, you must Work out your Salvation with Fear and Trembling.

 

What this Verse implies, is that no one is predestined with a guaranteed of being Saved.   When Christ died, He died so every human being prior to His life, current during His life, and after His life became predestined/eligible to be Heirs of God.   God did the Work!   And then God, in plain English, approaches the Hearts and Minds of every living Human being and presents Himself and offers an Invitation to become Heirs.

 

This is where Free Will happens.   Everyone is given the invitation, but only a Few will Accept.   So through Christ, it is possible All Humans were Predestined to be Heirs of God.   But through Free will, only a Few humans will accept and become Heirs.

 

But God's [[FOREKNOWLEDGE]] knew who would Accept and who would Deny this Invitation.

I was responding to your post below:

52 minutes ago, Heaven_Bound said:

If we must work out our own Salvation with Fear and Trembling, it goes beyond what the Father has given to the Son.   It falls directly onto the Individual to Believe, to use their Free Will, and to accept the Invitation

....where you have quoted Philippians 2:12...and I provided my understanding of this Scripture.

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[George]

3 hours ago, Dennis1209 said:

May we expand a little more on Jonah as a type and a shadow? What do you think?

I have a study on the Jonah as a type of the Resurrection.  

[B-B]

7 minutes ago, Heaven_Bound said:

I only went on to add what I did because I've read where some people actually believe God created people to basically be the fuel behind the Eternal Fire of the Lake of Fire.

Oh I see.... I'm not sure if I've heard this belief before...

Were they able to defend their beliefs with Scripture(s)? Or did they explain how they've arrived at this conclusion?

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[B-B]

8 minutes ago, Heaven_Bound said:

Some have applied it to Calvinism and the TULIP View.

I suppose the only way to confirm these things would be to source Mr John Calvin's writings and find out for ourselves if this is what he believed/taught/preached himself. 

[Not me]

23 hours ago, George said:

Shalom everyone,

I thought I'd share a piece of Scripture the Lord showed me recently that really helped me understand predestination and foreknowledge ... or at least give me a better understanding.

1Sa 23:1  Now they told David, “Behold, the Philistines are fighting against Keilah and are robbing the threshing floors.” 

1Sa 23:2  Therefore David inquired of the LORD, “Shall I go and attack these Philistines?” And the LORD said to David, “Go and attack the Philistines and save Keilah.” 

1Sa 23:3  But David's men said to him, “Behold, we are afraid here in Judah; how much more then if we go to Keilah against the armies of the Philistines?” 

1Sa 23:4  Then David inquired of the LORD again. And the LORD answered him, “Arise, go down to Keilah, for I will give the Philistines into your hand.” 

1Sa 23:5  And David and his men went to Keilah and fought with the Philistines and brought away their livestock and struck them with a great blow. So David saved the inhabitants of Keilah. 

So David goes after getting confirmation from the Lord to destroy the Palestinians in Keilah.  Let's continue the story ...

1Sa 23:6  When Abiathar the son of Ahimelech had fled to David to Keilah, he had come down with an ephod in his hand. 

1Sa 23:7  Now it was told Saul that David had come to Keilah. And Saul said, “God has given him into my hand, for he has shut himself in by entering a town that has gates and bars.” 

1Sa 23:8  And Saul summoned all the people to war, to go down to Keilah, to besiege David and his men. 

1Sa 23:9  David knew that Saul was plotting harm against him. And he said to Abiathar the priest, “Bring the ephod here.” 

1Sa 23:10  Then David said, “O LORD, the God of Israel, your servant has surely heard that Saul seeks to come to Keilah, to destroy the city on my account. 

1Sa 23:11  Will the men of Keilah surrender me into his hand? Will Saul come down, as your servant has heard? O LORD, the God of Israel, please tell your servant.” And the LORD said, “He will come down.” 

1Sa 23:12  Then David said, “Will the men of Keilah surrender me and my men into the hand of Saul?” And the LORD said, “They will surrender you.” 

1Sa 23:13  Then David and his men, who were about six hundred, arose and departed from Keilah, and they went wherever they could go. When Saul was told that David had escaped from Keilah, he gave up the expedition. 

Now think about it ... this passage clearly shows that divine foreknowledge that God had was used by David ... and also shows that foreknowledge did not necessitate predestination.

God foreknew what Saul and the leaders of Keilah would do, however this did NOT happen!  Basically, God saw the possibility of what would take place, but this foreknowledge did not predestinate the outcome.

Basically this passage revealed to me ... that predestination and foreknowledge are indeed different.

I thought I'd throw that out there ... as a talking point!  

What do you all think?

Blessings and many thanks for sharing the light God revealed to you…

After pondering it a bit, the joy in the truth is palpable…

Blessings, in Him, Not me 

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[B-B]

11 minutes ago, Heaven_Bound said:

Honestly, if people choose to believe this View, it tells me they are very selective in what they read in the Bible, or they blindly accept what someone has taught.   It's very difficult to read Genesis to Revelation and believe God is like that.   It's a perfect example of how Doctrines have twisted Predestination and removed Foreknowledge in relationship to God.

You may have already  found this out for yourself @Heaven bound .. -  there are folk who may identify themselves as Calvinists/Lutherans/Methodist-Weslyans/etc etc.., However, if you were to question them on what they actually believe and practice, you may find that very little of it corresponds to the actual original teachings and beliefs of their Namesake. If possible it may even have their Namesakes, turning in their graves....

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[Riverwalker]

In the case of salvation I think it breaks down like this

Romans 8: 29 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.

We often talk about God as being Omniscient, Omnipotent and Omnipresent, but he is also omnichronic.....everywhen - eternal

So because God Foreknows what we will choose in regards to Him, those He knows who will choose him He

Predestines, Preordain, prepares the path that we will walk to come to the moment of of that choice.

Once that path is laid he calls....and we choose to follow.

 When we come to the moment of that choice and of our own freewill choose to reach out in faith tom Him, He Justifies (Saves) us.

And when we reach the moment of our last breath and die, He glorifies us 

All of this predicated and arranged around a choice that we FREELY make.

[B-B]

10 minutes ago, Heaven_Bound said:

I shall return, I need to handle something in real life.

God Bless!

Yes of course.

God bless

[angels4u]

6 hours ago, Dennis1209 said:

May we expand a little more on Jonah as a type and a shadow? What do you think?

Matthew 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Except for Matthew Henry, most of the commentaries I checked are silent on this question. Did Jonah remain alive in the fish (whale) belly for three days, or did he die, and the Lord resurrected him?

On a side note, and in hindsight: I think we may have had our Nineveh moment with the Twin Towers (among other warnings) and the astonishing election of Donald Trump. Directly after both, our nation reverted, worse than ever.

I can only view Trump's election as divine intervention and providence. There is a pattern in the appointment of the kings of Israel & Judah. Is there a pattern with the placement of the U.S. Presidents for the plan and purposes of God?

Daniel 2:21 And he changeth the times and the seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding:

While we were driving this morning we listened to the podcast from Jack and what was he talking about ? Jonah and repentance, see how God works in His  ways? We talked about it yesterday and today I heard Jack explain it again:)

[angels4u]

5 hours ago, JohnR7 said:

I had a very vivid dream about her and I am still learning from that dream. In the dream there were maybe 50 or 60 toys or gifts that people had given her. But they were all new in the box. She did not open any of them to play with them. They were all given to her by people that she was related to. She wanted to keep them in new condition as a reminder of the person that gave it to her. She wanted to know why I did not bring her a gift. When she found out that I was her father she was very excited. She told all her friends about it. They were all happy for her because some of them have fathers that are not going to make it there. 

I use the April 13, 2029 and the Apophis asteroid as a marker. Then the day of Pentecost would be 50 days after that.  We do not know for sure when the first Pentacost was when the Holy Spirit was poured out on the church. The year 29 is as good of a guess as any. So it has been almost 2,000 years and we are very close to the beginning of the third day. People say: What if nothing happens? Well then we can buy a cake and celebrate the 2,000 year anniversary or birthday of the Church. 

 

Did you watch Tom Horn , I believe he  was talking about this..