Faith

[Selah7]

2 hours ago, Sower said:

Your not the only one who has considered this, as I have been at the point of saying on some heated debates that could it be that both "sides" are mostly correct, in that there were some the Father "chose"to be guaranteed believers, and the rest of the "whosoevers" received their faith to believe by hearing the word.
I hesitated to jump in to the discussion lest I only open up another can of worms...

Will be interesting to see what unfolds, Selah..

Yeah, a big can of worms. 

[kwikphilly]

4 minutes ago, Selah7 said:

Yeah, a big can of worms. 

Funny but seriously I dont think so..... Most the people here who have disagreed about this preposed Topic seem genuinely interested in understanding each others UNDERSTANDING..... perhaps common ground can be discovered becsuse there is but One Truth

Jesus, the Way, the Truth & the Life

Go for it, in Love

 

[Selah7]

10 minutes ago, kwikphilly said:

Funny but seriously I dont think so..... Most the people here who have disagreed about this preposed Topic seem genuinely interested in understanding each others UNDERSTANDING..... perhaps common ground can be discovered becsuse there is but One Truth

Jesus, the Way, the Truth & the Life

Go for it, in Love

 

Exciting scriptures here:
 

just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, In Him also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestined according to the purpose of Him who works all things according to the counsel of His will, that we who first trusted in Christ should be to the praise of His glory. In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,

- Ephesians 1:4,11-13

in Him, Selah

Edited May 7, 2022 by Selah7

[kwikphilly]

3 minutes ago, Selah7 said:

Exciting scriptures here:
 

just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, In Him also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestined according to the purpose of Him who works all things according to the counsel of His will, that we who first trusted in Christ should be to the praise of His glory. In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,

- Ephesians 1:4,11-13

in Him, Selah

Sooooo exciting.... Gods Promises are very Exciting- Halleluyah! His Written ,Living Word, the Truth that set us FREE!

[Alive]

Thank you all for your taking part.

I had a specific reason for the question, which I did articulate and Omega did a nice job of adding to my intent and position.

In short, the faith I refer to is what is required to enter through the gate, not an ongoing daily faith as we walk in Him subsequent to our being birthed. I also pointed to how our thinking on this can affect other things. Not for all, but certainly for some. Do you feel more special than the the other folks because ‘you’ in and of your own choice, gained salvation…the choice and initial action was yours not God’s. That points to the starting point being ‘works’. That is where difficulties can fertilize.

I think this OP has accomplished what I intended. I do not want it to devolve into one of many cal/arm debates, so I request it be locked. @Omegaman 3.0

God bless and thank you.

PS, sis…sometimes a short answer suffices.

:-)

Edited May 7, 2022 by Alive

[Sower]

2 hours ago, Alive said:

Thank you all for your taking part.

I had a specific reason for the question, which I did articulate and Omega did a nice job of adding to my intent and position.

In short, the faith I refer to is what is required to enter through the gate, not an ongoing daily faith as we walk in Him subsequent to our being birthed. I also pointed to how our thinking on this can affect other things. Not for all, but certainly for some. Do you feel more special than the the other folks because ‘you’ in and of your own choice, gained salvation…the choice and initial action was yours not God’s. That points to the starting point being ‘works’. That is where difficulties can fertilize.

I think this OP has accomplished what I intended. I do not want it to devolve into one of many cal/arm debates, so I request it be locked.

God bless and thank you.

PS, sis…sometimes a short answer suffices.

:-)

"Do you feel more special than the the other folks because ‘you’ in and of your own choice, gained salvation…the choice and initial action was yours not God’s"

 

Shucks, was hoping the OP was about faith and not election.
I see, like you said Alive, to beware the enemy getting a foothold here.
Right now he's knocking on my door...

I never even Knew anything about calvinism or their beliefs till about ten-15 yrs ago. Only in the past ten or so years did I learn about the tulip list of beliefs. Two of my good friends at church got caught up in it and left and lost fellowship. Sad. I studied their beliefs for two years with one.  When he finally said God chose the saved, and inversely the lost, I quit listening. That ended all discussion.

And as far as the question above, never in my wildest dreams have I ever thought anything about what you have said "more special than the the other folks because ‘you’ in and of your own choice, gained salvation"

The total opposite is my experience, in that those calvinist I have met and know have no humility when they consider they were hand picked by God and had no part in believing. (if I believe as they I probably would feel the same)

I could care less about the whole thing if it didn't keep coming up and being pushed, for a fruitless non end.

It was God, through His WORD, (He is the Word) that drew me,
watered me, saved me. I did not save myself,
    ****I JUST DID WHAT HE TOLD ME TO DO-I BELIEVED****

I am humbled that the creator of the universe would save a wretch like me.
                 And, I still do not know the purpose of this thread.

[Alive]

Is saving faith a 'work' or a 'deed'?

Titus 3:5 (NAS20S) He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we did in righteousness, but in accordance with His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit,

Sower, please read carefully each word I posted in this OP--there aren't many.

You might think better of me.

[Marathoner]

11 hours ago, Selah7 said:

Mebelieves that yeah, His sheep know their Master.  They know His voice.  And His sheep were either chosen by God before the foundation of the world, or they were given free will by God to choose His Son Jesus.  There are 2 groups, I think.  Both are Elect.  Does that sound too far out there?  I can provide scriptural support tomorrow afternoon as to why I believe this to be true.  Goodnight, Om.     ...Selah

This is the understanding I have arrived at as well, sister. 

[ayin jade]

4 hours ago, Alive said:

Do you feel more special than the the other folks because ‘you’ in and of your own choice, gained salvation

Before it gets locked ...

In no way do I feel special because Im saved, no matter which side of the cal/arm debate Im on. I feel humbled and unworthy of His grace and mercy.

[Alive]

16 minutes ago, ayin jade said:

Before it gets locked ...

In no way do I feel special because Im saved, no matter which side of the cal/arm debate Im on. I feel humbled and unworthy of His grace and mercy.

I believe you, jade.