Resurrection of the Just and the Unjust Happens At The Second Coming

[Your closest friendnt]

3 hours ago, iamlamad said:

One thing is sure: dead BODIES know nothing. Another thing is sure, parable or not, what Jesus said MUST BE TRUTH for Jesus IS TRUTH. 

It is obvious they KNEW things.

 Besides, I have read book after book, testimony after testimony of people who have been taken to hell: Jesus showing it off so people will KNOW it is a very real place. They all tell similar stories that agree with scripture. Why not then believe?

John 6:25 kjv

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.”

1 Peter 4:5 kjv

 Who shall give account to him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead.

1 Peter 4:6 kjv 

 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.   

Acts 10:42 — King James Version (KJV 1900)

42 And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead.

[Your closest friendnt]

3 hours ago, Charlie744 said:

 

You seem to be contradicting yourself when you say above, "dead BODIES know nothing", and then you say, "It is obvious they KNEW things".

There is not contradiction on behalf of the poster.

The contradiction if there is one is on behalf of the one who says that the dead know nothing...

The poster shows his disagreement with the statement "the dead knows nothing ", by saying that "it is obvious they knew things". 

And he referred to what Jesus said about the rich and the poor Lazarus and he said that he takes on this matter the words of Jesus because Jesus is the Truth and he speaks the Truth...

3 hours ago, Charlie744 said:

Below are just a few of the verses in the scriptures that speak of what happens after one dies - whether it is termed sleep or not, God has indeed made the point that after death, there is nothing. 

This is not a truth statement, God has never made any statements of this kind, to the contrary he has made statements that there is Life after death...

Everytime God spoke about those who have died, he spoke in a likely manner as when he spoke about those who were still alive...

They continue to live after their death, and without their body...do you want the definition of what "the body is", just pinch your self, what you touch is your body...

When this body stops factioning or in other words dies, the real person who lived in this body as long as this body was alive, it does not remain in the dead body and lives the body and continues to live like that...

The real not earthly material person never stops to exist...

And he can be found amongst the other dead people, in the times before Jesus Christ death and resurrection they can be only be found in the place of the dead...

After the death and the resurrection of Jesus Christ those who died their expected physical death while believing in Jesus Christ they can be found in their Heavenly Inheritance together where Jesus Christ and the Heavenly Father is.

Those who met their death and are found in their denial that Jesus Christ died for the forgiveness of their sins...

They die in their sins...this is what Jesus Christ said if someone has refused to believe in him till the last moments just before his death he will be found to be in his sins... the one who has believe in him will be found to be free from his sins...

Just contemplate about to what Jesus Christ said in the paragraph above, and the scripture will be posted...

Then you can understand that Jesus Christ says there is Life after death, some will live with their sins and some will live free of their sins...

And Jesus Christ said that everyone who has died will appear before him, because he is the one who will decide where the person will spent his eternity...

This is made very easy for everyone to figure this out...

When anyone who dies still in his sins, because he has refused to believe in Jesus Christ who died for the forgiveness of his sins...a man who is in his sins and in his denial that Jesus is the Christ the moment he bows down before Jesus Christ the Judge of all right after his death he knows that he has refused to believe in Jesus Christ till the last moments of his earthly life...he already knows that he is appointed a place amongst the unbelievers and not the believers...Jesus who has the authority to Judge him he will be ask that he be taken to the heart of the earth to the place appointed for the unbelievers...

And this can only be done while the unbeliever is without his body, even Jesus Christ to go to the place of the dead in the heart of the earth he had to die first and find himself without his body, it cannot be in any other way...

The peculiar situation is that every unbeliever who bows down before Jesus Christ for his judgment is already a believer in Jesus Christ, everyone that time who did not believe or had refused to believe in Jesus he will believe in him because they can see Jesus in his glory and in role as the Judge of all...but because they believe in him after their death while out of their body it does not count, faith in him before they die counts...

This is why Jesus said "BLESS ARE THOSE WHO HAVE NOT SEE HIM AND HAVE BELIEVE "...

Who is the one who says that after the man dies, that's it there is nothing after death, let the words of Jesus Christ judge his statements while he still lives, because after he dies he will find out for himself, any way a man who says those things that their is nothing after death, why this man believes in Jesus Christ, for if he believes in Jesus Christ that he died for the forgiveness of his sins, he must also believe that he will bow down before Jesus Christ to be rewarded for his faith...which is an admission that there is Life after the physical death of anyone..

The believers in Jesus Christ are free of their sins and that's how they will bow down before Jesus Christ after the death of their phycical body, in other words without their Physical body..

And it is well known that they are heirs of Heaven together with Jesus Christ...and nothing can stop that...whether happy of how they lived their earthly lives or shameful of how they lived their earthly lives nothing can stopped them for being rewarded their Heavenly Inheritance. 

Even if someone believes that Jesus Christ is the Son of God who died for the forgiveness of his sins is saved, because nothing can separate him from his Heavenly Inheritance not even his misunderstood about many things...this is the power of the Gospel that Jesus Christ saves everyone who believes in him...without prejudice. 

3 hours ago, Charlie744 said:

 

 

[Charlie744]

17 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

There is not contradiction on behalf of the poster.

The contradiction if there is one is on behalf of the one who says that the dead know nothing...

The poster shows his disagreement with the statement "the dead knows nothing ", by saying that "it is obvious they knew things". 

And he referred to what Jesus said about the rich and the poor Lazarus and he said that he takes on this matter the words of Jesus because Jesus is the Truth and he speaks the Truth...

This is not a truth statement, God has never made any statements of this kind, to the contrary he has made statements that there is Life after death...

Everytime God spoke about those who have died, he spoke in a likely manner as when he spoke about those who were still alive...

They continue to live after their death, and without their body...do you want the definition of what "the body is", just pinch your self, what you touch is your body...

When this body stops factioning or in other words dies, the real person who lived in this body as long as this body was alive, it does not remain in the dead body and lives the body and continues to live like that...

The real not earthly material person never stops to exist...

And he can be found amongst the other dead people, in the times before Jesus Christ death and resurrection they can be only be found in the place of the dead...

After the death and the resurrection of Jesus Christ those who died their expected physical death while believing in Jesus Christ they can be found in their Heavenly Inheritance together where Jesus Christ and the Heavenly Father is.

Those who met their death and are found in their denial that Jesus Christ died for the forgiveness of their sins...

They die in their sins...this is what Jesus Christ said if someone has refused to believe in him till the last moments just before his death he will be found to be in his sins... the one who has believe in him will be found to be free from his sins...

Just contemplate about to what Jesus Christ said in the paragraph above, and the scripture will be posted...

Then you can understand that Jesus Christ says there is Life after death, some will live with their sins and some will live free of their sins...

And Jesus Christ said that everyone who has died will appear before him, because he is the one who will decide where the person will spent his eternity...

This is made very easy for everyone to figure this out...

When anyone who dies still in his sins, because he has refused to believe in Jesus Christ who died for the forgiveness of his sins...a man who is in his sins and in his denial that Jesus is the Christ the moment he bows down before Jesus Christ the Judge of all right after his death he knows that he has refused to believe in Jesus Christ till the last moments of his earthly life...he already knows that he is appointed a place amongst the unbelievers and not the believers...Jesus who has the authority to Judge him he will be ask that he be taken to the heart of the earth to the place appointed for the unbelievers...

And this can only be done while the unbeliever is without his body, even Jesus Christ to go to the place of the dead in the heart of the earth he had to die first and find himself without his body, it cannot be in any other way...

The peculiar situation is that every unbeliever who bows down before Jesus Christ for his judgment is already a believer in Jesus Christ, everyone that time who did not believe or had refused to believe in Jesus he will believe in him because they can see Jesus in his glory and in role as the Judge of all...but because they believe in him after their death while out of their body it does not count, faith in him before they die counts...

This is why Jesus said "BLESS ARE THOSE WHO HAVE NOT SEE HIM AND HAVE BELIEVE "...

Who is the one who says that after the man dies, that's it there is nothing after death, let the words of Jesus Christ judge his statements while he still lives, because after he dies he will find out for himself, any way a man who says those things that their is nothing after death, why this man believes in Jesus Christ, for if he believes in Jesus Christ that he died for the forgiveness of his sins, he must also believe that he will bow down before Jesus Christ to be rewarded for his faith...which is an admission that there is Life after the physical death of anyone..

The believers in Jesus Christ are free of their sins and that's how they will bow down before Jesus Christ after the death of their phycical body, in other words without their Physical body..

And it is well known that they are heirs of Heaven together with Jesus Christ...and nothing can stop that...whether happy of how they lived their earthly lives or shameful of how they lived their earthly lives nothing can stopped them for being rewarded their Heavenly Inheritance. 

Even if someone believes that Jesus Christ is the Son of God who died for the forgiveness of his sins is saved, because nothing can separate him from his Heavenly Inheritance not even his misunderstood about many things...this is the power of the Gospel that Jesus Christ saves everyone who believes in him...without prejudice. 

 

Well, I guess all the verses I copied from the scriptures are in error and don't mean what they say..... how can you possibly interpret them to mean the dead ARE aware of anything? Either your interpretation stands and these scriptures are wrong  - can not be both.

[Your closest friendnt]

8 minutes ago, Charlie744 said:

Well, I guess all the verses I copied from the scriptures are in error and don't mean what they say..... how can you possibly interpret them to mean the dead ARE aware of anything? Either your interpretation stands and these scriptures are wrong  - can not be both.

We can look in the scriptures you are referring to: but not everything that is in the bible which we called them scriptures are from Jesus Christ or the Holy Spirit...

Then first we have to look at what Jesus and the Holy Spirit has said. 

I am perplex why I have posted so many things Jesus have said about the issue at hand, and why you are not considering those things first...like our brother said: he said this and the other one said that by I will follow what Jesus said and he gave his reason, that Jesus is the Truth....and every man who says something to the contrary is in error...there is not an excuse to take the words of someone who was did not receive from Jesus Christ and oppose what Jesus Christ said about the same matter.

Did you hear Jesus borrowing their words and their terminology? The answer is never, because he knew what he was talking about and the others said what they said living room for Jesus to establish the truth about these matters....read the previous post and refute with the words of Jesus if it is possible...prove that Jesus is not the Judge of all and that he will not Judged all the people after their death and make them accountable for what they said or did, and perhaps asked them why...so the others can hear from them that Jesus is judged them upon facts and he made a fair judgment...the others must hear them confess their doings, and how they can remember and confess if there nothing to remember after their death...nothing after their death....like the other animals...that's why Jesus is the Judged of all people but not the Judged of the animals... after all he made man in his image only...

 

[Charlie744]

38 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

We can look in the scriptures you are referring to: but not everything that is in the bible which we called them scriptures are from Jesus Christ or the Holy Spirit...

Then first we have to look at what Jesus and the Holy Spirit has said. 

I am perplex why I have posted so many things Jesus have said about the issue at hand, and why you are not considering those things first...like our brother said: he said this and the other one said that by I will follow what Jesus said and he gave his reason, that Jesus is the Truth....and every man who says something to the contrary is in error...there is not an excuse to take the words of someone who was did not receive from Jesus Christ and oppose what Jesus Christ said about the same matter.

Did you hear Jesus borrowing their words and their terminology? The answer is never, because he knew what he was talking about and the others said what they said living room for Jesus to establish the truth about these matters....read the previous post and refute with the words of Jesus if it is possible...prove that Jesus is not the Judge of all and that he will not Judged all the people after their death and make them accountable for what they said or did, and perhaps asked them why...so the others can hear from them that Jesus is judged them upon facts and he made a fair judgment...the others must hear them confess their doings, and how they can remember and confess if there nothing to remember after their death...nothing after their death....like the other animals...that's why Jesus is the Judged of all people but not the Judged of the animals... after all he made man in his image only...

 

There is not one Word in the scriptures that does not come from God.  
I would ask you to comment on Psalm 6:5 above … do you disagree with that verse?

[Your closest friendnt]

1 hour ago, Charlie744 said:

There is not one Word in the scriptures that does not come from God.  
I would ask you to comment on Psalm 6:5 above … do you disagree with that verse?

Here we follow Jesus Christ words, many came before him and then Jesus Christ came and his word is the Truth and everyone needs to conform to his word.....that's why we follow Jesus Christ words of Truth....Jesus Christ is the Judge of all, every one shall be accoundable to him about what they said and did while they lived...and after they die will be judged. 

We post a lot about Jesus, if you do not agree with him why do not come clean and say it. Why you choose to ignore what Jesus said...the brother said that we have to follow the word of truth. 

Discuss the word of truth, what Jesus said...

Why you insist that after we die there is nothing...you did not get this from Jesus Christ. 

[Your closest friendnt]

Exodus 3:6

 6 Then he said, “I am the God of your father,[a] the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob

Exodus 4:5

 “This,” said the Lord, “is so that they may believe that the Lord, the God of their fathers—the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob—has appeared to you.”

Mathew 22:32

‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob . He is not the God of the dead but of the living.”

Mathew 12 26 

Now about the dead rising—have you not read in the Book of Moses, in the account of the burning bush, how God said to him, ‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.

1 Peter 3:18-20

18For Christ also suffered for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit, 19in whom He also went and preached to the spirits in prison 20who disobeyed long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In the ark a few people, only eight souls, were saved through water.…

Berean Study Bible ·

Edited July 13, 2022 by Your closest friendnt

[Charlie744]

1 hour ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Here we follow Jesus Christ words, many came before him and then Jesus Christ came and his word is the Truth and everyone needs to conform to his word.....that's why we follow Jesus Christ words of Truth....Jesus Christ is the Judge of all, every one shall be accoundable to him about what they said and did while they lived...and after they die will be judged. 

We post a lot about Jesus, if you do not agree with him why do not come clean and say it. Why you choose to ignore what Jesus said...the brother said that we have to follow the word of truth. 

Discuss the word of truth, what Jesus said...

Why you insist that after we die there is nothing...you did not get this from Jesus Christ. 

Please answer the question- what does Psalm 6:5 mean to you, Thank you.

[iamlamad]

5 hours ago, Charlie744 said:

Well, I guess all the verses I copied from the scriptures are in error and don't mean what they say..... how can you possibly interpret them to mean the dead ARE aware of anything? Either your interpretation stands and these scriptures are wrong  - can not be both.

23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.

26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.

27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:

28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.

29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.

30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.

These scriptures SCREAM of awareness! The come from the lips of Jesus Himself, TRUTH for HE IS TRUTH.

[Charlie744]

16 minutes ago, iamlamad said:

23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.

26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.

27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:

28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.

29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.

30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.

These scriptures SCREAM of awareness! The come from the lips of Jesus Himself, TRUTH for HE IS TRUTH.

What does Psalm 6:5 mean to you? Thanks.