Who is Resurrected, and When?

[FreeGrace]

1 hour ago, truth7t7 said:

FreeGrace said: 

You simply fail to realize or understand that "the last day" includes several time periods.  

Your claim is "False"

You are free to prove your claim.  I explained 2 "last days".  If you can prove me wrong from Scripture, I would appreciate it.  I don't want to be wrong any more than you do.

1 hour ago, truth7t7 said:

Jesus taught "The Last Day" is the time of final judgement (The End)

John 12:48KJV

48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

Right.  That's one of them.  But there is another one.  Context always matters.

John 12:48 refers to unbelievers being judged at the GWT judgment, which Rev 20 clearly teaches about.  Why would believers be judged AFTER the MK?  

The Bible says that believers will be resurrected "when He comes", which is the Second Advent.  They will reign with, or serve the King in immortal supernatural bodies.  Why would their evaluation or "judgment" be after the MK?  That wouldn't make any sense.

Most who hold to a single resurrection and judgment at the GWT have to reject Rev 20.

I won't do that.

[Retrobyter]

4 hours ago, WilliamL said:

The same Greek verb root is used biblically for both first and second comings. Jesus used it when he said "I am come" in Matt. 5:17. To which coming John referred to in your verse quoted above. Your antichrist slander was not only tacky, but utterly false as well.

Shalom, WilliamL.

No, sir. You've misunderstood me. The general word is used in several locations, but the SPECIFIC spelling of ἐρχόμενον "erchomenon," which is the present participle middle/passive - accusative, masculine, singular of  ἔρχομαι "erchomai," Strong's 2064, is used only 17 times!

Matthew 5:17 uses the word ἦλθον "eelthon," which is the aorist indicative active - 1st person singular of the same word! There, it IS translated "I came" or "I have come."

The word I'm talking about was used in only 4 places in Matthew, three of which talk about the Second Coming:

Matthew 3:16 (KJV)

16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting (coming) upon him:

Matthew 16:28 (KJV)

28 "Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom."

Matthew 24:30 (KJV)

30 "And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory."

Matthew 26:64 (KJV)

64 Jesus saith unto him,

"Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven."

So, I stand by what I said.

[WilliamL]

50 minutes ago, Retrobyter said:

No, sir. You've misunderstood me. The general word is used in several locations, but the SPECIFIC spelling of ἐρχόμενον "erchomenon," which is the present participle middle/passive - accusative, masculine, singular of  ἔρχομαι "erchomai," Strong's 2064, is used only 17 times!

All of which is completely irrelevant to its meaning in 2 John 1:7. About which you wrote:

Shalom, Da Puppers.

And, another one has bitten the "antichrist" forbidden fruit!

2 John 1:7 (Amplified Bible)

7 For many deceivers [heretics, posing as Christians] have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge and confess the coming of Jesus Christ in the flesh (bodily form). This [person, the kind who does this] is the deceiver and the antichrist [that is, the antagonist of Christ].

The Greek word for "the coming" is ἐρχόμενον "erchomenon," ...

"the coming" -- there is no "the" -- refers to the already-come-in-the-flesh Christ Jesus, which is why it is more correctly translated "is come."

But I'm wasting my time here. To sum up, your remark was nasty and unworthy of this forum.

 

[truth7t7]

2 hours ago, WilliamL said:

So it all depends on your understanding of "day" in this verse. Is it

1) a single 24-hour day? or is it

2) a 1000-year Day = the 7th Millennium of rest?

Rev. 20 says that the Millennium period commences with the judgment in which the Beast and his followers are cast into the lake of fire, and Satan into the Abyss. And ends with the judgment of the Great White throne. So I choose 2).

No such thing as a 1,000 year day, it's your fabricated bending and twisting of 2 Peter 3:8 to promote your doctrines that arrive at such a claim

Jesus Is The Lord

Edited February 21, 2023 by truth7t7

[truth7t7]

2 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

Most who hold to a single resurrection and judgment at the GWT have to reject Rev 20.

I won't do that.

The only rejection of Revelation 20:1-6 is you giving total disregard to the fact its 100% in the spiritual realm as clearly shown below

Revelation 20:1-6 Isnt A Millennial Kingdom On This Earth, Dont Be Deceived

Can you find the things claimed by those teaching a Literal 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth in Revelation 20:1-6 below?

1.) Physical Earthly Kingdom?

2.) Physical Earthly Throne?

3.) Physical Mortal Humans?

The Above Claims (Don't Exist)

Revelation 20:1-6 Is 100% In The Lords (Spiritual) Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ

100% Spiritual Realm, No "Literal" Time

2 Peter 3:8KJV

8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Revelation 20:1-6KJV

1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Edited February 21, 2023 by truth7t7

[truth7t7]

2 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

Most who hold to a single resurrection and judgment at the GWT have to reject Rev 20.

I won't do that.

Scripture clearly teaches of a single time of resurrection and final judgment as seen below, biblical truth before your eyes that you openly reject

You falsely believe and teach the believers are resurrected at the second coming and run about on a mortal earth with humans dying around them 

When in reality 1 Corinthians 15:23-24 below clearly teaches at this time "Then Cometh The End"

There are (Two) resurrections on the (Last Day) the righteous are blessed to be in the (First Resurrection) to eternal life, on such the (Second Death) resurrection has no power.

1.) (First Resurrection) To Life

2.) (Second Death) Resurrection To Damnation

Revelation 20:6KJV

Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

The (Last Day) Resurrection Of All Below

Daniel 12:1-2KJV

1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

John 5:28-29KJV

28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

John 6:39-40KJV

39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

1 Corinthians 15:21-24KJV

21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

The (Last Day) Judgement

John 12:48KJV

48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

Edited February 21, 2023 by truth7t7

[FreeGrace]

2 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

The only rejection of Revelation 20:1-6 is you giving total disregard to the fact its 100% in the spiritual realm as clearly shown below

Can you find the things claimed by those teaching a Literal 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth in Revelation 20:1-6 below?

1.) Physical Earthly Kingdom?

2.) Physical Earthly Throne?

3.) Physical Mortal Humans?

The Above Claims (Don't Exist)

[double click failed.  Getting rather tired, are we?  We've been through all this, and thoroughly.  

1.  The Bible describes the Messiah as the King of kings.  And you question a literal earthly throne?  Shame.

2.  we call it "planet earth".  What other proof do you want?

3.  Uh, the survivors of the Tribulation.  Or prove that no one does.  But then, you'd have to explain what all the resurrected believers from "when He comes" back to EARTH are doing for 1,000 years.]
Revelation 20:1-6 Is 100% In The Lords (Spiritual) Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ

100% Spiritual Realm, No "Literal" Time

Good grief!  The literal time of 1,000 years is STATED 5 times.  And you think that is simply some kind of "spiritual" unreal thing.  So what does "1,000 times" mean in your mind?

2 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

2 Peter 3:8KJV

8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Did you check out the context in 2 Peter?  It is about creation.  So Peter was equating the 6 days of restoration (another thread) to human history.  Adam was created, or at least rebelled about 6,000 years ago.  That leaves 1,000 years, which would relate to the 7th DAY of rest, or the MK.  But you just dismiss the very literal wording of Rev 20.

2 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

Revelation 20:1-6KJV

1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

As literal as can be.  But never mind.

[truth7t7]

4 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

Good grief!  The literal time of 1,000 years is STATED 5 times.  And you think that is simply some kind of "spiritual" unreal thing.  So what does "1,000 times" mean in your mind?

Did you check out the context in 2 Peter?  It is about creation.  So Peter was equating the 6 days of restoration (another thread) to human history.  Adam was created, or at least rebelled about 6,000 years ago.  That leaves 1,000 years, which would relate to the 7th DAY of rest, or the MK.  But you just dismiss the very literal wording of Rev 20.

As literal as can be.  But never mind.

You falsely believe and teach the believers are resurrected at the second coming and run about on a mortal earth with humans dying around them 

When in reality 1 Corinthians 15:23-24 below clearly teaches at this time "Then Cometh The End"

There are (Two) resurrections on the (Last Day) the righteous are blessed to be in the (First Resurrection) to eternal life, on such the (Second Death) resurrection has no power.

1.) (First Resurrection) To Life

2.) (Second Death) Resurrection To Damnation

Revelation 20:6KJV

Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

The (Last Day) Resurrection Of All Below

Daniel 12:1-2KJV

1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

John 5:28-29KJV

28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

John 6:39-40KJV

39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

1 Corinthians 15:21-24KJV

21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

The (Last Day) Judgement

John 12:48KJV

48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

Edited February 21, 2023 by truth7t7

[FreeGrace]

6 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

Scripture clearly teaches of a single time of resurrection and final judgment as seen below, biblical truth before your eyes that you openly reject

I cerainly DO reject your dismissal of a very literal chapter of Revelation.  But not Scripture. v.5 very clearly shows that the FIRST resurrection is 1,000 years BEFORE the next one.  

6 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

You falsely believe and teach the believers are resurrected at the second coming and run about on a mortal earth with humans dying around them 

When in reality 1 Corinthians 15:23-24 below clearly teaches at this time "Then Cometh The End"

I challenge your reading skills.  The end will surely come after the MK, which is prophesied from the OT and throughout the NT.  So you still have NO evidence for your theory.

And v.23 is too clear to dismiss.  "those who belong to Him" will be resurrected "when He comes".  Couldn't be any more clear.  All believers resurrected at the Second Advent.  But when people smear, I mean "spiritualize" what they need to, they seem free to say whatever their imagination comes up with.

6 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

There are (Two) resurrections on the (Last Day) the righteous are blessed to be in the (First Resurrection) to eternal life, on such the (Second Death) resurrection has no power.

1.) (First Resurrection) To Life

2.) (Second Death) Resurrection To Damnation

Revelation 20:6KJV

Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

The (Last Day) Resurrection Of All Below

Daniel 12:1-2KJV

1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

John 5:28-29KJV

28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

John 6:39-40KJV

39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

1 Corinthians 15:21-24KJV

21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

The (Last Day) Judgement

John 12:48KJV

48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

You've been shown the Truth and you have rejected it.  What more is there to say?

[FreeGrace]

1 minute ago, truth7t7 said:

You falsely believe and teach the believers are resurrected at the second coming and run about on a mortal earth with humans dying around them 

When in reality 1 Corinthians 15:23-24 below clearly teaches at this time "Then Cometh The End"

There are (Two) resurrections on the (Last Day) the righteous are blessed to be in the (First Resurrection) to eternal life, on such the (Second Death) resurrection has no power.

1.) (First Resurrection) To Life

2.) (Second Death) Resurrection To Damnation

Revelation 20:6KJV

Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

The (Last Day) Resurrection Of All Below

Daniel 12:1-2KJV

1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

John 5:28-29KJV

28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

John 6:39-40KJV

39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

1 Corinthians 15:21-24KJV

21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

The (Last Day) Judgement

John 12:48KJV

48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

Geting tired, huh.  So you just copy and paste now.  I'm done with your theories.

Go find some real evidence and then get back to me.  All you've done so far is misread (terribly) Scripture.  You have no evidence.  Just opinions.