Who is Resurrected, and When?

[DeighAnn]

On 2/4/2023 at 12:55 PM, Selah7 said:

The way I understand it, there is only one first resurrection. See, there’s a BIG difference between the resurrection of the body and the resurrection of the soul to immortality.  

For example, Ecclesiastes 12:7 cannot be a first resurrection because it is not yet a resurrection of the soul to immortality.  

Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern. Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

- Ecclesiastes 12:6-7 (KJV)

Of course we know that not everyone will go through that first resurrection.  Only the overcomers—the saints/the elect.

Where does it say you RETURN for a body?





 

[Selah7]

20 minutes ago, Diaste said:

When is the 'last day'? I should start a thread on that one. I'll skip that for now.

Couldn’t the last day be the day when, in the twinkling of an eye, we are changed from our flesh bodies into our spiritual bodies?

22 minutes ago, Diaste said:

Paul relates another resurrection before the last day resurrection and it isn't clear just what he means since it's a new teaching in his letters to the churches. In this way, Paul may not even have fully understood since the Revelation of all we need to know about the end of the age and Jesus arrival was yet to come. 

Yes, a new thread would help.

26 minutes ago, Diaste said:

This is 'the dead in Christ'; the dead of the group designated to be taken up at the arrival of the King, not all the dead from all time. 

The “dead in Christ” are those who have died believing in Christ who come with Him at His return; yes?

[Selah7]

9 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

Where does it say you RETURN for a body?





 

I don’t know what you mean.  There’s no returning for a body.  Please, please explain.

[DeighAnn]

 This is what I believe without exception.  Without explanation.  Without delay.  I believe the ONLY thing keeping me IN THIS WORLD is this body.  I believe I am presently feeding my SPIRITUAL body/spirit/soul and am not of this world except to do the work of God.  Thank God because that is where I find peace and joy and rest.  

When THIS body dies aka is sown, THE SEED or the NEW BODY is raised, (the angels raise me up to heaven or how ever that works), Christ receives me unto HIMSELF, brings me to God and I receive the things done in this body, IN my spiritual ONE.  When He appears I WILL BE LIKE HIM aka in a body, I will still be me.  Mount of transfiguration THEY WERE SEEN as BEINGS not air or wind or breath or bodyless or whatever else the dissection of words and definitions or GRAMMAR brings about that precept on precept NEVER HAS. 

No delay.  No separation.  No body going one place and spirit/soul without spiritual body goes another and then waiting for the spirit/soul to return to the earth to get a body to be raised in glory. 

We EITHER know the way and follow HIM to heaven, or we don't know THE WAY and so we end up in hell.  That's it.  Super simple. I don't believe our spiritual body will be JUST HANGING OUT in death/hell/the grave awaiting a return of billions and billions of souls for some sort of a 'reunion'. 

God formed man, A BEING, as a body and gave breath.  God gave us 2 bodies.  One for this realm one for the next. There is a natural and there is a spiritual.  NEITHER ONE IS AIR and only air.  Seen felt touched GIVEN ROBES AND HAVING FEET WALKING AND TALKING AND THINKING AND ALL THE REST.

SINCE I BELIEVE EXACTLY 'WHAT IS WRITTEN' AS' IT IS WRITTEN'

WHICH IS

42So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

43It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:

44It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

THEN EVERYONE who is saying WE raise up without a body DOES NOT believe what is written AS it is written

and NEEDS TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT FACT

and quit trying to skirt the issue LIKE that isn't THEIR truth.  


"Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever." 1 Peter 1:23 KJV




"Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new." 2 Corinthians 5:17 KJV



12Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:

13Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

14In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

15Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

 

22For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

23But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

[Selah7]

4 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

No delay.  No separation.  No body going one place and spirit/soul without spiritual body goes another and then waiting for the spirit/soul to return to the earth to get a body to be raised in glory. 

I wholeheartedly agree.

6 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

We EITHER know the way and follow HIM to heaven, or we don't know THE WAY and so we end up in hell.  That's it.  Super simple. I don't believe our spiritual body will be JUST HANGING OUT in death/hell/the grave awaiting a return of billions and billions of souls for some sort of a 'reunion'. 

Again, I agree.

6 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

God formed man, A BEING, as a body and gave breath.  God gave us 2 bodies.  One for this realm one for the next. There is a natural and there is a spiritual.  NEITHER ONE IS AIR and only air.  Seen felt touched GIVEN ROBES AND HAVING FEET WALKING AND TALKING AND THINKING AND ALL THE REST.

I agree.

8 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

42So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

43It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:

44It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

Amen!!!  

8 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

THEN EVERYONE who is saying WE raise up without a body DOES NOT believe what is written AS it is written

Who is saying that?  

[Selah7]

@DeighAnn

Who is it that partakes of the FIRST Resurrection, and when?  

 

[FreeGrace]

5 hours ago, Keras said:

The idea that any human will receive immortality before the final Judgment, is error and contradicts scriptures like Hebrews 9:27...We die and then comes the Judgment.

Which we are plainly told, will be after the Millennium. Revelation 20:11-15

However, I know Church teaching is that all the righteous and faithful peoples will be resurrected when Jesus Returns. I do not see that in the Bible, but there is no harm done to believe it, so rather than arguing over it, just wait and see, shall we? 

Heb 9:27 doesn't say "right away", as it seems you believe.  We will die, all of us, (except the very small number in "those who are alive and remain").  They will be "changed in the twinkling of an eye" as Paul wrote in 1 Cor 15:52.

But you are simply rejecting what Paul wrote in 1 Cor 15:23, in which he SAID "those who belong to Him" will be resurrected "when He comes".  Christ certainly doesn't come just before the GWT, which is what your view is actually suggesting.  You have zero evidence for such a scenario.  

King Jesus will return to earth (a SECOND time) to "rule the nations with a rod of iron" for 1,000 years, which we call the Millennial Kingdom.  At the end, all unbelievers being ruled in His kingdom will be killed at the battle of Gog and Magog and then ALL unbelievers from all time will be resurrected back into their mortal bodies to appear before the GWT and then be cast into the LOF, where their mortal resurrected bodies will DIE AGAIN.

That is why the LOF is called the "second death".  

[Uriah]

4 hours ago, Diaste said:

When is the 'last day'?

When indeed. As far as I can tell your position is it will be after the thousand year of Christ reining. I also noticed Jesus didn't bother to correct the sister of Lazarus when she said she knew He would raise him. This means she expected many more than Lazarus on that day.

Have you pointed out a source in scripture that declares the last day is after the thousand years? (last day of.....?)

You seem to be saying that the resurrection at the second coming of Jesus is for the martyrs and tribbers alone. But Paul didn't know it.

Even though he said:

2Th 1:7- ...when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,

2Th 1:8- In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

2Th 1:9- Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

2Th 1:10- When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

I assume he would have been familiar with this too:

Mat 13:4o- As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

Mat 13:41- The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

Mat 13:42- And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth

This is the second place I pointed out the lake of fire is at the beginning of the 1,000 yrs.

[truth7t7]

On 2/6/2023 at 5:37 AM, FreeGrace said:

1 Cor 15:23 refutes your claim.  The words "those who belong to Him" refer to EVERY saved person from Adam on.  How could it  be anything other than that?  Why wouldn't EVERY saved person "belong to Him"?  Can you explain that.

 

How do you explain "The Fact" below, when Jesus Christ returns the resurrection takes place, and its (The End)

There isn't your cherished Millennial Kingdom on this earth hiding between verse 23-24 below

John 6:39-40 is in perfect agreement, the believer will be resurrected on "The Last Day"

Scripture teaches Jesus returns (The End), as you believe and teach Jesus returns and a "Mortal" Millennial Kingdom on this earth starts "Wrong"

"Why" do you reject this simple biblical truth before your eyes?

1 Corinthians 15:23-24KJV

23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

John 6:39-40KJV

39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Edited February 7, 2023 by truth7t7

[truth7t7]

6 hours ago, Selah7 said:

Couldn’t the last day be the day when, in the twinkling of an eye, we are changed from our flesh bodies into our spiritual bodies?

Yes, a new thread would help.

The “dead in Christ” are those who have died believing in Christ who come with Him at His return; yes?

Yes I agree, scripture teaches the dead in christ "soul" will return, and they will receive their glorified body at this second coming in the "twinkling of an eye", they currently in the Lord's spiritual realm,waiting for this last day resurrection at the second coming