Who is Resurrected, and When?

[DeighAnn]

7 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ

The new heaven and new earth come at the end of Satan being loosed. 

Satan being loosed comes 1000 years after being bound

Satan is bound when Jesus returns.  

CALL IT WHAT YOU WILL BUT THAT IS WHAT IS WRITTEN.  

THE 2nd Advent HASN'T TAKEN PLACE. 

So Satan hasn't been bound.

A DAY IS AS A THOUSAND YEARS. 
THAT TOO IS WRITTEN
 

[DeighAnn]

7 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

"Christ's At His Coming" "Then Cometh The End" No Millennial Kingdom "After"

NO ONE IS SAYING the DAY OF VENGEANCE DOESN'T COME.  

WHAT WE ARE SAYING IS THE DAY IS AS 1000 YEARS.  

WHAT SEEMS TO NOT BE GETTING THROUGH IS HOW LONG A DAY IS TO THE LORD. 

IT IS AS A 1000 YEARS.  

THAT IS WRITTEN

THAT IS WHAT WE BELIEVE

THE ONLY THING IN DISPUTE IS HOW LONG THE DAY IS.  YOU SAY IT IS????? I SAY IT IS WHAT IS WRITTEN.  

[DeighAnn]

6 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

False, when Jesus returns "Then Cometh The End" as you have been shown several times, shall I post it again and again

ONLY UNTIL A DAY IS A THOUSAND YEARS GETS THROUGH

[Selah7]

1 hour ago, Diaste said:

Thank you.

Initially, many years ago and several books and lectures later, I looked at this like most do: This is an ordered plan and sequence of events written in what could be thought of as a divine weekly planner. On the surface it looks at though one event follows another like Friday becomes Saturday or noon becomes 1 pm. 

The problem is that there is a gap of 1000 years between "and at that time thy people shall be delivered," and "many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt."

These two events look like the rapture [harpazo], where the people are delivered, and the time of judgement of the second death, deeds based judgement, at the end of the 1000 years. 

I don't think both can be true and accurate if the events happen simultaneously.

I get that it looks like these are both going to take place together when the text says 'at that time'. But I question just what is meant by 'at that time'. At that time of what? Obviously it's when GT occurs and Michael 'stands up'.

However, when the GT begins it's the time when Jesus is going to arrive to put an end to GT and the beast and Satan. When that occurs there's a paradigm shift of all perceptions and world views of everyone on the planet. 

We will at that time move from the government and administration of mankind to the rule and reign of Jesus Christ over all the earth. 

That is what I see layered within the text of Daniel 12:1-2. The full truth of 'at that time' is the time of Jesus Christ and His 1000 year earthly throne. 

Concerning the Day of the Lord it's not just a single day. 'Day' here is a metaphor for 'in the Day' as in 'the time when'. Jesus Christ isn't coming for a single 24 hour day and then leaving, His Day is 1000 years long of earthly reign, and an eternity of existence after that.

So the full truth of the Day of the Lord is the day, time, in which Jesus reigns. So yes, every believer and even unbelievers will all be resurrected in that Day in which Christ is the all powerful final authority and ruler over all the earth.

The question is, Who is resurrected and at what time in what event? 

Jesus, in Matt 25:31-46, Rev 7:12-13 and Rev 20:4-6, 14-15, makes very specific statements concerning this.

 

 

And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

- Revelation 20:4-6 (KJV)

Let me propose the following:  Those who participate in the first resurrection at the beginning of the millennium (which is my take on it) will not go through the GWTJ at all.  Why? because they have already been judged in Rev. verse 4. They have already made it through the First Resurrection and have received eternal life.  It’s these that will reign with Christ for a thousand years (in the gap) as His priests teaching the “rest of the dead,” (the spiritually dead) who “lived not again”—those who did not make it through the first resurrection, those who were deceived by the Antichrist, or not taught the truth of God’s Word, or never had a chance for whatever reason to accept Jesus Christ as their Savior.  The first resurrection group will be the ones reigning with Christ teaching during the millennium.  The “rest of the dead” will be learning and doing good works (because during the millennium, good works will be the path to salvation along with their faithfulness to follow Christ.). We know Satan will be loosed for a little while at the end of the millennium to try to deceive them again.  At the end of the millennium, these “rest of the dead” will be judged by God at the Great White Throne Judgment.  If they “pass the test” and are found faithful, they will then go through the Second Resurrection.  But those who “fail the test” will go through the Second Death (the Lake of Fire), along with Satan, and be blotted out of existence.  

[DeighAnn]

27 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

Since you quote from Rev 20, just back up to v.4-6 and prove to me that the resurrrection of the Tribulation martyrs ISN'T 1,000 years before the resurrection of "the rest of the dead".

THE DEAD are raised up when Christ returns. 

THE DEAD.  

THE 'let the DEAD bury the DEAD' will be raised up. 

THEY ARE DEAD and buried. 

THE DEAD are NOT the NEVER DIED, FOLLOWED HIM AND RETURNED WITH HIM. (having been ALREADY raised in their spiritual bodies in power and in glory)


The DEAD CAN'T BE ANYONE WHO HAS BEEN SAVED BECAUSE THEY NEVER DIE,

SO THEY CAN'T BE DEAD so they can't be RAISED UP when Christ returns as THEY ARE RETURNING WITH HIM.  

ARE YOU SAYING THEY ARE GOING FROM NEVER DIE TO DEAD TO BE RESURRECTED AGAIN?

WHERE IS THAT WRITTEN?  ASKING THE SAME QUESTION AGAIN AND AGAIN, NOW EVEN IN A DIFFERENT COLOR, NOT AVOIDING, OR ANYTHING ELSE BUT STILL PAGES LATER LOOKING FOR SCRIPTURE FOR WHAT YOU CLAIM IS TRUE.  

IS THIS really a hard concept?  


THE DEAD, not the living.  The DEAD, not the never die.  THE DEAD who in 1000 years will be 'AND I SAW THE DEAD' and the books were opened.  WHY would the book of LIFE need to be opened for ANYONE WHO HAS NEVER DIED?

WHY would someone SOMEONE WHO CAME TO FAITH be judged on works?  THOSE who followed HIM already were judged IN HEAVEN, aka already had their names in the book of life.  

I don't care if your doctrine agrees with any of this or not but THESE ARE FACTS THAT CAN'T BE DENIED.  


again< THE LIVING, the NEVER DIE obviously had their names in the BOOK OF LIFE BECAUSE THEY KNEW THE WAY, they knew the RESURRECTION, they FOLLOWED HIM TO BE WITH THE GOD OF THE LIVING AND NOT THE DEAD.  

SO THEIR NAMES WERE ALREADY IN THE BOOK OF LIFE.  THEY WERE ALREADY ALIVE.  THEY ARE NOT BEING RETURNED TO EARTH TO GO BE DEAD.  THAT IS RIDICULOUS.

the dead ARE NOT the living.

the dead ARE NOT the never died


the DEAD ARE THE DEAD ARE THE DEAD ARE THE DEAD ARE THE DEAD.  

 

[Selah7]

2 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

Jesus was never "out of context".  He was speaking of final judgment of the unsaved, but apparently you didn't bother to even read the verses I provided.  Whatever.

Jesus taught about the differences between people at the final judgment.  So it's very much IN CONTEXT when discussing final judgment.

And Rev 20:4-6 proves that the 2 resurrections will be 1,000 years apart.

You are free to spiritualize all you want.  But Rev 20 is as literal as can be.

And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

- Revelation 20:4-6 (KJV)

Let me propose the following:  Those who participate in the first resurrection at the beginning of the millennium (which is my take on it) will not go through the GWTJ at all.  Why? because they have already been judged in Rev. verse 4. They have already made it through the First Resurrection and have received eternal life.  It’s these that will reign with Christ for athousand years (in the gap) as His priests teaching the “rest of the dead,” (the spiritually dead) who “lived not again”—those who did not make it through the first resurrection, those who were deceived by the Antichrist, or not taught the truth of God’s Word, or never had a chance for whatever reason to accept Jesus Christ as their Savior.  The first resurrection group will be the ones reigning with Christ teaching during the millennium.  The “rest of the dead” will be learning anddoing good works (because during the millennium, good works will be the path to salvation along with their faithfulness to follow Christ.). We know Satan will be loosed for a little whileat the end of the millennium to try to deceive them again.  At the end of the millennium, these “rest of the dead” will be judged by God at the Great White Throne Judgment.  If they “pass the test” and are found faithful, they will then go through the Second Resurrection.  But those who “fail thetest” will go through the Second Death (the Lake of Fire),along with Satan, and be blotted out of existence.  

[truth7t7]

3 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

lol.  Rev 20:4-6

4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 

5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. 

6 Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years. 

 

I believe this passage SILENCES your views.  I can't imagine how you must read these clear verses.  There will be a 1,000 year gap between the two resurrections.

I Strongly Disagree

Jesus Is The Lord

[truth7t7]

3 hours ago, Diaste said:

And they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

Rev 20:4

Yes, there will be.

Those seen below are the dead in Christ "Souls" they lived and reigned as is clearly seen below, believers are children of the "Living"

Revelation 20:4KJV

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

[Retrobyter]

8 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

False, I Disagree

As 1 Corinthians 15:23-24 teaches, simple, clear, easy to understand

"Christ's At His Coming" "Then Cometh The End"

1 Corinthians 15:23-24KJV

23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

Shalom, truth7t7.

Sorry, bro', but you're not reading this correctly. There is a PERIOD between the two phrases, and the COMMA FOLLOWS the phrase "Then cometh the end!"

Sometimes, the verse numbers can confuse the reader, but the verse divisions are NOT inspired! They were added in the 16th Century, LONG after the text was written!

There are THREE important resurrections in this "order," NOT TWO!

First, one has Christ's resurrection. Second, there will be the resurrection of those who are His at His Second Coming, and then there is a THIRD resurrection when He delivers up the Kingdom to God, even the Father!

[truth7t7]

2 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

The new heaven and new earth come at the end of Satan being loosed. 

Satan being loosed comes 1000 years after being bound

Satan is bound when Jesus returns.  

CALL IT WHAT YOU WILL BUT THAT IS WHAT IS WRITTEN.  

THE 2nd Advent HASN'T TAKEN PLACE. 

So Satan hasn't been bound.

A DAY IS AS A THOUSAND YEARS. 
THAT TOO IS WRITTEN
 

Jesus returns in fire and final judgement (The End) as you have clearly been shown "Several Times"

Jesus Is The Lord