Did God become wiser as He cancelled the clean and unclean food which gave no spiritual benefit

[Hopefully]

“Stay away from those who have foolish arguments, who talk about useless family histories, or who make trouble and fight about what the Law of Moses teaches. These things are useless and will not help anyone.”
‭‭Titus‬ ‭3:9‬ ‭ERV‬‬

“But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.”
‭‭Titus‬ ‭3:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Some people believe they can eat any kind of food, but those who have doubts eat only vegetables.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭14:2‬ ‭ERV‬‬

“For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭14:2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Those who know they can eat any kind of food must not feel that they are better than those who eat only vegetables. And those who eat only vegetables must not decide that those who eat all foods are wrong. God has accepted them.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭14:3‬ ‭ERV‬‬

“Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭14:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 

[Hopefully]

The Bible tells us if we know we can eat anything, when confronted by one who doesn’t believe we can eat anything to help them out by only eating what they approve of while in their presence.

[Hopefully]

“So we should stop judging each other. Let’s decide not to do anything that will cause a problem for a brother or sister or hurt their faith. I know that there is no food that is wrong to eat. The Lord Jesus is the one who convinced me of that. But if someone believes that something is wrong, then it is wrong for that person.
 

If you hurt the faith of your brother or sister because of something you eat, you are not really following the way of love. Don’t destroy anyone’s faith by eating something they think is wrong. Christ died for them. Don’t allow what is good for you to become something they say is evil.

In God’s kingdom, what we eat and drink is not important. Here is what is important: a right way of life, peace, and joy—all from the Holy Spirit. Whoever serves Christ by living this way is pleasing God, and they will be accepted by others. So let’s try as hard as we can to do what will bring peace. Let’s do whatever will help each other grow stronger in faith.

Don’t let the eating of food destroy the work of God. All food is right to eat, but it is wrong for anyone to eat something that hurts the faith of another person. It is better not to eat meat or drink wine or do anything else that hurts the faith of your brother or sister. You should keep your beliefs about these things a secret between yourself and God. It is a blessing to be able to do what you think is right without feeling guilty.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭14:13-22‬ ‭

[TheBlade]

'Did God become'.. yeah nothing else needs to be said lol...

[Ancient]

17 hours ago, R. Hartono said:

Eating clean food doesnt make men's heart clean.

If you can love God and others as much as you love your Belly do you still need Law ? 

@Who me

I never said eating clean food which is the only food there is to eat in God's eyes makes a persons heart clean. The law is there to bless us, it is there to teach us how to worship our creator, how to have right relationships with each other and how to have healthy bodies (clean foods) etc. One can plainly see when one does not adhere to His laws relationships break down, bodies have afflictions and diseases which much is traced back to what people are eating. A lot of what is seen in society today is cursing mmmm wonder why that is? Breaking His laws as I said in Deuteronomy 28 keep them you will be blessed don't keep them you will be cursed.

Look around and you will see our societies are mainly cursed. One can easily see the fruit of continually breaking the law play out in our societies. I know this is confrontational as I was in the same as the crowd that says the Law is bad and done away with. Friend we are talking about God's very own word manifested in the flesh in the person of Yeshua our Messiah. How can God's word be bad? It is our flesh that says that and the devil himself as he also knows the Law blesses. What better way to bring a deception to teach people that what is supposed to bless you is bad for you.

Repent and seek first the kingdom and its ways it will change your life as I did the same. I repented, put down my pride and the doctrines of men and demons of which I was taught in my religious organization. Stick to the Bible you can't go wrong. Test every doctrine especially coming from the vast majority of churches.

Have you read the Laws of God? Please tell me what part of those Laws you consider bad? Most people do not even know what the Laws are. Not having sexual relationships with family members and animals is bad? Worshipping God on certain days that He set out is bad? Eating things that He said to only eat is bad? How to do business dealings in an ethical manner is bad? Tithing of the increase and blessings He gave you is bad? I could go on and on this is just to get you thinking.

Shalom

[Ancient]

21 hours ago, R. Hartono said:

God gave rule to the Hebrew in the desert not to eat unclean food but it was for no good, as the Hebrew Rebel for 40 years and they therefore one generation perished in the sand.  

Almost All Kings of Judah and Israel were Rebel and people were hypocrites. What the Law for ? Clean food and Circumcision doesnt make a man Holy.

As Jesus said whatever food enter the mouth only ended up as dirt.

Thats why Jesus replaced the Law with these two:  Love God and love your neighbours. If people can love God and others as much as they love their bellies do they still need Law ? Eating clean food and circumcised don't make people Holy.

Did God become wiser ? 

This is very important to understand. In the Original Post one of the issues bought forth was the clean/unclean foods. In one of the replies to me the story about what goes into the mouth doesn't make you unclean was presented.

NKJ Matthew 15:11 "Not what goes into the mouth defiles a man; but what comes out of the mouth, this defiles a man.

Every time Yeshua spoke out and challenged the "laws" they were the traditions of the elders (man made laws) or oral laws a lot like most of Christianity today. You have the laws of God and the oral law. The oral law is not God's law. The oral Law is what is a large part of Modern day Judaism. In the verse above if one reads the whole passage Yeshua is coming against oral law. The passage is not about food!!! The food mentioned was clean food. The issue was the complaint about not washing hands in the prescribed manner (oral law) before eating thus defiling the body. Yeshua challenged the tradition of the washing of hands and then enforcing those traditions and claiming that people are in sin if they don't wash their hands in the ritual way of the oral law (traditions of the elders). 

No where in God's Law (The Torah) is there teaching and instruction on the washing of hands in a ritualistic prescribed manner  in order to eat clean foods. This is what Yeshua challenged on. 

Yeshua then goes on a verses later saying they are blind leaders leading of the blind verse 14. This is still going today in most churches are blind leaders leading the blind. As well as in Judaism. He who has ears to hear well you know the rest.

I tell you this Christianity is not much different filled with the doctrines of men that are not found in the scriptures. Read and meditate on His word and take of the glasses of the doctrines of men do not add to or take away from the whole Bible from Gen 1 right through to the end of Rev 22.

Shalom

[tim_from_pa]

45 minutes ago, Ancient said:

I never said eating clean food which is the only food there is to eat in God's eyes makes a persons heart clean. The law is there to bless us, it is there to teach us how to worship our creator, how to have right relationships with each other and how to have healthy bodies (clean foods) etc. One can plainly see when one does not adhere to His laws relationships break down, bodies have afflictions and diseases which much is traced back to what people are eating. A lot of what is seen in society today is cursing mmmm wonder why that is? Breaking His laws as I said in Deuteronomy 28 keep them you will be blessed don't keep them you will be cursed.

Look around and you will see our societies are mainly cursed. One can easily see the fruit of continually breaking the law play out in our societies. I know this is confrontational as I was in the same as the crowd that says the Law is bad and done away with. Friend we are talking about God's very own word manifested in the flesh in the person of Yeshua our Messiah. How can God's word be bad? It is our flesh that says that and the devil himself as he also knows the Law blesses. What better way to bring a deception to teach people that what is supposed to bless you is bad for you.

Repent and seek first the kingdom and its ways it will change your life as I did the same. I repented, put down my pride and the doctrines of men and demons of which I was taught in my religious organization. Stick to the Bible you can't go wrong. Test every doctrine especially coming from the vast majority of churches.

Have you read the Laws of God? Please tell me what part of those Laws you consider bad? Most people do not even know what the Laws are. Not having sexual relationships with family members and animals is bad? Worshipping God on certain days that He set out is bad? Eating things that He said to only eat is bad? How to do business dealings in an ethical manner is bad? Tithing of the increase and blessings He gave you is bad? I could go on and on this is just to get you thinking.

Shalom

This is the most sane post I read today on this subject.  You are not confrontational at all and you understand the spirit of the Law.  The Torah is the Word, and the Word is Christ.  Jesus Christ would not deny Himself.  I do fear, as you probably do too, that people are totally missing the point.

[Fidei Defensor]

Some details. Kosher eating laws protected the Israelites. Pork has worms and has to be cooked at high temp, which Hawaiians knew how to do by making a pit and cooking in the ground for days.
Also not mixing dairy and meat does help your digestion, meat does not digest well with cheese and milk.              Shellfish are bottom feeders, and again to make them healthy you gotta have high temp cooking methods. 
I have experienced the benefits of a Kosher diet. 
 

That said, I agree with my Lord Jesus who said “Food doesn’t go into your heart, but only passes through the stomach and then goes into the sewer.” (By saying this, he declared that every kind of food is acceptable in God’s eyes.)” (Mark 7:19) 

I say leave it to each person’s conscious on what they eat and be willing to bear with those who forgo certain foods, “Do Not Pass Judgment on One Another. As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions.  One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables. Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him.” (Romans 14:1-3)

Edited July 3, 2022 by Fidei Defensor

[Ancient]

1 hour ago, Fidei Defensor said:

Some details. Kosher eating laws protected the Israelites. Pork has worms and has to be cooked at high temp, which Hawaiians knew how to do by making a pit and cooking in the ground for days.
Also not mixing dairy and meat does help your digestion, meat does not digest well with cheese and milk.              Shellfish are bottom feeders, and again to make them healthy you gotta have high temp cooking methods. 
I have experienced the benefits of a Kosher diet. 
 

That said, I agree with my Lord Jesus who said “Food doesn’t go into your heart, but only passes through the stomach and then goes into the sewer.” (By saying this, he declared that every kind of food is acceptable in God’s eyes.)” (Mark 7:19) 

I say leave it to each person’s conscious on what they eat and be willing to bear with those who forgo certain foods, “Do Not Pass Judgment on One Another. As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions.  One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables. Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him.” (Romans 14:1-3)

Big statement adding your parenthesis to the scripture verse in Mark 7:19. You cannot assume by doing that. The rest of the Bible with God's instructions in Lev 11 with what he declared as food and not food. Yahweh's word not mine. Established when the animals went on the ark He bought 7 of clean animals and 2 of unclean animals which again reveals they were going to eat and sacrifice clean animals. Clean animals were only used in the sacrificial system. Big clues here. 

Yes you are right in saying unclean things like pork have worms and parasites and even cooking at high temps even does not kill some of the those. The old saying you are what you eat rings true. This is why so many people have diseases, affliction and sicknesses in their bodies which the impact people's mental states. I will always teach God's word and do my best not to add or take away from it. Just because Hawaiians cook in the ground for days doesn't make it clean. Bible teaches when you eat meat after on the 3rd day it will be an abomination. Maybe God has our health in mind and is protecting us. Is that a bad thing?

The Food in the NT is not different or changed from what food was in the OT. God does not change nor does His word. Just because you can shove it into your mouth does not make it food. Peter confirms in his vision of the unclean food in the sheet notice still the designation of clean and unclean foods. He was told to rise, kill and eat and Peter said not so Lord nothing unclean has passed my lips. This was well after the death and resurrection of Yeshua our Messiah. Just because Yeshua died on the cross did not mean the next day the all went and had a pig on a spit. 

Stick to what the word says and the context of language and culture. Also consider when Yeshua cast the demons (unclean) into the pigs (unclean) and they ran off the cliff into the sea hmmmm it wasn't sheep or goats. I will never advocate for being lawless as they are the ones Yeshua says depart from me I never knew you. Knowing God means doing what His words says from Gen 1:1 - Rev 22:21.

Will you stick by your words and be accountable for what you say? As far as judging again you misunderstand we are to judge those within the body in a righteous manner. To advocate eating clean Yahweh's instructions against you can eat what you want which is the desires of the flesh if you feel you can stand before God and justify those actions well all the best to you. The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.

Yeshua said if you love me keep my commandments friend there are only one set of commandments. Do you think Yeshua ate pig and shellfish and rabbits, rats unclean birds etc. Of course not He lived a 100% righteous life He is our example of how to live which is the real meaning of fulfill in Matt 5:17.

Shalom

 

[Fidei Defensor]

27 minutes ago, Ancient said:

Big statement adding your parenthesis to the scripture verse in Mark 7:19. You cannot assume by doing that. The rest of the Bible with God's instructions in Lev 11 with what he declared as food and not food. Yahweh's word not mine. Established when the animals went on the ark He bought 7 of clean animals and 2 of unclean animals which again reveals they were going to eat and sacrifice clean animals. Clean animals were only used in the sacrificial system. Big clues here. 

Yes you are right in saying unclean things like pork have worms and parasites and even cooking at high temps even does not kill some of the those. The old saying you are what you eat rings true. This is why so many people have diseases, affliction and sicknesses in their bodies which the impact people's mental states. I will always teach God's word and do my best not to add or take away from it. Just because Hawaiians cook in the ground for days doesn't make it clean. Bible teaches when you eat meat after on the 3rd day it will be an abomination. Maybe God has our health in mind and is protecting us. Is that a bad thing?

The Food in the NT is not different or changed from what food was in the OT. God does not change nor does His word. Just because you can shove it into your mouth does not make it food. Peter confirms in his vision of the unclean food in the sheet notice still the designation of clean and unclean foods. He was told to rise, kill and eat and Peter said not so Lord nothing unclean has passed my lips. This was well after the death and resurrection of Yeshua our Messiah. Just because Yeshua died on the cross did not mean the next day the all went and had a pig on a spit. 

Stick to what the word says and the context of language and culture. Also consider when Yeshua cast the demons (unclean) into the pigs (unclean) and they ran off the cliff into the sea hmmmm it wasn't sheep or goats. I will never advocate for being lawless as they are the ones Yeshua says depart from me I never knew you. Knowing God means doing what His words says from Gen 1:1 - Rev 22:21.

Will you stick by your words and be accountable for what you say? As far as judging again you misunderstand we are to judge those within the body in a righteous manner. To advocate eating clean Yahweh's instructions against you can eat what you want which is the desires of the flesh if you feel you can stand before God and justify those actions well all the best to you. The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.

Yeshua said if you love me keep my commandments friend there are only one set of commandments. Do you think Yeshua ate pig and shellfish and rabbits, rats unclean birds etc. Of course not He lived a 100% righteous life He is our example of how to live which is the real meaning of fulfill in Matt 5:17.

Shalom

 

I didn’t add the parentheses. 
Besides the Vision of St. Peter suffices:

“Acts 10:9-16

Peter’s Vision

[9] The next day, as they were on their journey and approaching the city, Peter went up on the housetop about the sixth hour to pray. [10] And he became hungry and wanted something to eat, but while they were preparing it, he fell into a trance [11] and saw the heavens opened and something like a great sheet descending, being let down by its four corners upon the earth. [12] In it were all kinds of animals and reptiles and birds of the air. [13] And there came a voice to him: “Rise, Peter; kill and eat.” [14] But Peter said, “By no means, Lord; for I have never eaten anything that is common or unclean.” [15] And the voice came to him again a second time, “What God has made clean, do not call common.” [16] This happened three times, and the thing was taken up at once to heaven.”