Struggling with believing God's goodness

[DeighAnn]

13 minutes ago, JohnR7 said:

This pertains to the Hebrew Nation. So it is a shadow and a type of the gentile church. Jesus said many will perish, few will be saved. But the Greek allows for many to be 2/3 will perish and few or 1/3 will be saved. To be saved does not mean we represent God. I believe only 10% dedicate their life to being used by God in that way. Every word we speak is weighed in the balance and tested by God. 

The Hebrew Nation?  Is that ALL of Jacob?  or the House of Jacob?  Is this the people who have passed away or those who will be living at the time.  Could you get specific to the question so I could understand exactly what you are saying

[Fidei Defensor]

6 minutes ago, JohnR7 said:

I did not understand this until I want to a third world nation where there were people who had needs greater than my own. You do not waste anything there because there is always someone who wants and needs a part of our abundance. I pay $1 for a pair of reading glasses. When they break I throw them in the missions box because I know that in their poverty there is someone that can use them. In Manila they talk about smoky mountain and people who make a living going through the dump and finding stuff that they can sell. I use to pick up stuff off of the curb here and take it out to the flea market and sell it. 

Pardon me, are you just talking about poverty in general? I don’t see a reference to Monks, Nuns, or Sell All You Have, or did I miss something? 
 

6 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

If that where the spirit is leading you here

Its how was trained in Seminary and under masters of Theology. Its how you contextualize Scripture to determine is something is for all or one, the same is for laws in Old Testament; some are universal, “thou shalt not murder,” while some are cultural, “thou shalt not pierce thine ears, for only harlots pierce their ears.” That second one is cultural, most God fearing and devout women have pierced ears nowadays. 

 

[JohnR7]

4 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

The Hebrew Nation?  Is that ALL of Jacob?  or the House of Jacob?  Is this the people who have passed away or those who will be living at the time.  Could you get specific to the question so I could understand exactly what you are saying

The Slang word is "Jews" or "Jewish". We are having a discussion about Zechariah 13:8 "In the whole land,” declares the LORD, “two-thirds will be struck down and perish; yet one-third will be left in it." In a literal sense this talks about the people that Zechariah was writing to at the time. We always look at the literal first then we look at the symbolic and how this applies to us today. As I said in another post this follows the rules of Hermeneutics that they teach in Bible college.  I have two years of Bible college and a lot of pastors only have two years of Bible School. 

This is what Jesus was talking about in Matthew 7:13 "13Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14But small is the gate and narrow the way that leads to life, and only a few find it.

When Zechariah says: "few will be left" he is talking about the new Jerusalem. This is the city we read about in  Revelation 21:16. This is what they call the New Jerusalem and this pertains to the 1000 year reign of Christ when we will rule and reign with Him for 1,000 years. Some people call this the Kingdom Age or the Kingdom Era. The Holy Spirit of God is given to us to help us understand. 

[JohnR7]

14 minutes ago, Fidei Defensor said:

Pardon me, are you just talking about poverty in general? I don’t see a reference to Monks, Nuns, or Sell All You Have, or did I miss something? 

This is a discussion about the teaching of Jesus when he told the rich young man: Jesus told him, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow Me.” Matthew 19:21

This pertains to the word "Perfect". John Wesley talked a lot about this word and his understanding of holiness before God. If we want to be perfected in God's love then we will give all we have to help others in their needs. 

If you do a study on the word PERFECT this means to be whole or mature. To bear fruit. We can not be perfected if we do not bear the fruit of the spirit. Love, Joy, Peace, Patience, Kindness, Goodness, Faithfulness, Gentleness and Self Control. 

He wanted to be perfect but he was sad that he had to give up his wealth to be perfected. He had to give all he had to others. For me the more we give the more we have. We are told give and it shall be given onto you. 

[Abrielle]

On 7/6/2022 at 4:58 AM, Figure of eighty said:

Like the title says. I wonder bc God allows alot of stuff to happen. 

Sometimes I read about crime cases and ask how some things were allowed to happen. But then I realize: these cases are proof of what would happen, if God wasn't intervening. Some evil is allowed to happen, it has to be this way, this world was given to Satan when we decided to depend on ourselves instead of God (I mean when the serpent persuaded Eve). But if God wasn't somewhat controlling the amount of evil that goes on here, we wouldn't even last one century, so what to say millenials. Remember what the adversary did to Job when he was allowed to touch him.

Job's story is a "microcosmos" of what is going on here: The Adversary wanting to prove that God only has followers if He protects the world. The Adversary says: There is no love for God, only interest. This is the Adversary's argument and has to be proven wrong so he can be killed eternally, and without any chance to someone saying "I believe he had a point", starting all over again.

In all this adversity, God still has His faithful people who don't turn away, who want to know why He is good, who then end up knowing how good He is. This is the prove that kills the Adversary's argument: We live difficult times and we see evil all around, we sometimes are victims too, but we connect with God in our hearts, we gained salvation through Jesus, we have ways to know that God is good and that this world doesn't represent what God wants to give. We choose God even though there is so much deceit.

Don't be deceived, sister. Whatever evil you see that shocks you, you are much closer to that in nature than God, yet you feel pain and empathy; now imagine how it must be to God, who is Love, who is Pure. You are not suffering alone, and whatever good in you —that makes you feel appalled with evil— isn't even yours.

Edited July 9, 2022 by Abrielle
Grammar. (Well, as much as possible...)

[Fidei Defensor]

5 minutes ago, JohnR7 said:

This is a discussion about the teaching of Jesus when he told the rich young man: Jesus told him, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow Me.” Matthew 19:21

This pertains to the word "Perfect". John Wesley talked a lot about this word and his understanding of holiness before God. If we want to be perfected in God's love then we will give all we have to help others in their needs. 

If you do a study on the word PERFECT this means to be whole or mature. To bear fruit. We can not be perfected if we do not bear the fruit of the spirit. Love, Joy, Peace, Patience, Kindness, Goodness, Faithfulness, Gentleness and Self Control. 

He wanted to be perfect but he was sad that he had to give up his wealth to be perfected. He had to give all he had to others. For me the more we give the more we have. We are told give and it shall be given onto you. 

I see merit in giving, but the part about being Perfect, I believe meant something else. 
 

“Mark 10:17-22

The Rich Young Man

[17] And as he was setting out on his journey, a man ran up and knelt before him and asked him, “Good Teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?” [18] And Jesus said to him, “Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone. [19] You know the commandments: ‘Do not murder, Do not commit adultery, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Do not defraud, Honor your father and mother.’” [20] And he said to him, “Teacher, all these I have kept from my youth.” [21] And Jesus, looking at him, loved him, and said to him, “You lack one thing: go, sell all that you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.” [22] Disheartened by the saying, he went away sorrowful, for he had great possessions.” 

The Rich Young Ruler is proud, he really had kept all the commandments and never lied or dishonored his parents?! That’s hard to believe. Jesus is testing is pride, and tells him the one thing the Young Ruler cannot do, give up his treasures on earth. The young man is a proud pious person who boasts that he had not broken one iota of the Law, “If we claim we have not sinned, we are calling God a liar and showing that his word has no place in our hearts.” (1 John 1:10).

[Sower]

58 minutes ago, Fidei Defensor said:

The Rich Young Man

[17] And as he was setting out on his journey, a man ran up and knelt before him and asked him, “Good Teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?” [18] And Jesus said to him, “Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone. [19] You know the commandments: ‘Do not murder, Do not commit adultery, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Do not defraud, Honor your father and mother.’” [20] And he said to him, “Teacher, all these I have kept from my youth.” [21] And Jesus, looking at him, loved him, and said to him, “You lack one thing: go, sell all that you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.” [22] Disheartened by the saying, he went away sorrowful, for he had great possessions.” 

The Rich Young Ruler is proud, he really had kept all the commandments and never lied or dishonored his parents?! That’s hard to believe. Jesus is testing is pride, and tells him the one thing the Young Ruler cannot do, give up his treasures on earth. The young man is a proud pious person who boasts that he had not broken one iota of the Law, “If we claim we have not sinned, we are calling God a liar and showing that his word has no place in our hearts.” (1 John 1:10).

To whom much is given, much is required.

You say;    "The Rich Young Ruler is proud, he really had kept all the commandments and never lied or dishonored his parents?! That’s hard to believe. Jesus is testing is pride, and tells him the one thing the Young Ruler cannot do, give up his treasures on earth. The young man is a proud pious person who boasts that he had not broken one iota of the Law"

**"And Jesus, looking at him, loved him"**

I find it amazing how much you 'assumed/discerned' about 'The Rich Young Man' from the verses above. He ask a question, Jesus answered, the man explained he kept the commandments from his youth. And now his desire was to know how to  'inherit eternal life.'
Jesus told him the cost. (Not the money, but the love/trust of it).
He then is said to have been sorrowful and disheartened.
I believe Jesus knew the man was putting his trust in possessions, not God.
Kinda like everybody I know at one time, lost/saved.
The scripture made it a point to say "Jesus loved him"
The scripture does not say what happened to him. I probably would have also spent some(much) time thinking about that one if confronted to give away all my possessions. I personally do not know anyone who has given everything away.
Have you Fidei?  We all had to count the cost, and some took longer than others.
I cannot assume the many faults you found with the man.


 

 

[JohnR7]

1 hour ago, Sower said:

I find it amazing how much you 'assumed/discerned' about 'The Rich Young Man' from the verses above.

God does not give us the ability to judge others. We can only judge ourselves. Usually people accuse others of what they are guilty of. 

[Selah7]

On 7/5/2022 at 10:58 PM, Figure of eighty said:

Like the title says. I wonder bc God allows alot of stuff to happen. 

Well hey there, 80.  I love these verses in Psalm 27:13-14; the words are of great comfort to me.

I had fainted, unless I had believed to see the goodness of the LORD in the land of the living. Wait on the LORD: be of good courage, and he shall strengthen thine heart: wait, I say, on the LORD.

- Psalm 27:13-14 (KJV)

David had a lot of problems; yet he claims that if he had not "believed to see," in his specific trials "the goodness of the LORD" in that land which oftentimes is filled with trials and suffering, he would have "fainted" under these many troubles. We can read about David and see that he was always in the fire, especially in the later half of his life. 
Yet David held that he could perceive the Lord's goodness not just in the land of glory over there somewhere in heaven, but also in this world below. He had faith that he would experience the Lord's goodness both inside and outside of the furnace.  

Although David wasn't always able to see the goodness of the Lord, he had great faith in it and expected it, and by having faith in it, he was able to see it with his spiritual eyes and to rejoice in it.   …selah 

[Your closest friendnt]

 

On 7/6/2022 at 3:57 PM, DeighAnn said:

2 Corinthians 5:14 For the love of Christ constraineth us;

because we thus judge, that if one died for all,

then were all dead:

 

Hello DeighAnn, I keep reading the verse in 2Corinthians 5:14, over and over again...and I am trying to understand and put it in my own words and without adding or subtracting from the original message...

This is it I am wondering what is the original message in the above verse...could that be truth? 

Why Paul says that were all dead? 

Who is included in that fraise or is anyone excluded? 

Is there anyone Jesus did not died for? 

 Can anyone be in Jesus Christ without believing that Jesus died for him? 

Paul knew the scriptures that say, "I am the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob". 

They were alive to God,  why then the "we were all dead", that's why Jesus had to die for all.