Faith and Works

[Guest shiloh357]

I will say this again in hopes that this time it will sink in. You are basing you salvation on grace and faith only.

No, I am basing my salvation on Christ.

Your salvation is based upon your beggardly efforts at working your way into the Kingdom. Therefore salvation rests on you, and you are utlimately your own savior, not Jesus. It is YOU securing your eternal destiny, not Christ. If you believe that your works save you, then you have rejected grace, and ultimately, Christ.

[angels4u]

Yes, Christ is the author of our salvation,

Jesus is the author of our Salvation but we have to finish it on our own?

Tell me sincerely what will keep me out of heaven ?

What do I have to do to get there?

Answer me with your own words ,not with bible verses.

[Avodah]

Cardcaptor,

When your children sin against you; do you not still hold them in your arms, do you not still welcome them in your home, do you not still love on them and give them good things?

[RGR]

Cardcaptor,

Forgive me if this has been asked already as I have jumped in mid-stream to this debate, but what work did the theif on the cross do? He simply asked Christ to remember him when He came into His kingdom. No works there!

What works did Paul do? He was vehemenently fighting against Christ when Christ struck him down if you will on his way to slaughter more Christians. He was chosen by God before any works were performed!

[MrSealedEternal]

My questions to you (answer 'yes' or 'no' please):

When I do the work of God and believe that Jesus is who He claims to be (the Son of God), am I acting as my

[Guest shiloh357]

QUOTE(shiloh357 @ Dec 27 2005, 07:08 PM)

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I will say this again in hopes that this time it will sink in. You are basing you salvation on grace and faith only.

No, I am basing my salvation on Christ.

Your salvation is based upon your beggardly efforts at working your way into the Kingdom. Therefore salvation rests on you, and you are utlimately your own savior, not Jesus. It is YOU securing your eternal destiny, not Christ. If you believe that your works save you, then you have rejected grace, and ultimately, Christ.

If you are basing your salvation on Christ then you would obey him being that he is the author of eternal salvation to all those who obey him.

Colossians 3:5, 6 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: For which things

[ted]

Thank you, Jesus, for dying on the Cross for me, and washing away my sins.

t.

[Guest shiloh357]

the point is if I consider myself a Christian and still live in those sins then I am not in God's favor because the sins that will convict and condemn a sinner will also convict and condemn a Christian when neither of them repent.

No, the point is that if you live in continuous sin, you were never a Christian to begin with. There is no salvation to lose, because you would not, could not, be a Christian and live in habitual, wanton sin. You keep trying to impose an impossible scenario.

It was YOU who chose not to involve yourself in all of these things you listed for the cause of Christ. That is the definition of Romans 12:1,2. When people live like that they are denying their life for Christ to live the life that he wants us to. You are the one who did it. Cna't you understand that?

The point is that I choose not to live in those sins because it is Christ who empowers me through His grace and power within to live those choices out. I am not living for Christ to gain or maintain His favor, or to maintain or secure my salvation. It is not me doing to work, but it is Christ me who does the work. I am not trying to attain to what I already have, and that is the difference between you and I. Christ should be able to live through us in the person of the Holy Spirit in order that our lives should be a testimony of the eternal life we already have, not eternal life we are trying to gain.

Jesus lives his life through me also in that I obey him when he says to repent or I likewise will perish. He is the author of my eternal salvation because I obey him. Do you believe these scriptures?

Yes, but I exegete them better than you.

[EricH]

Yes, but I exegete them better than you.

[John3;16]

Is Christ standing in front of you right now to forgive your sins?

Mark 2:10 But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (he saith to the sick of the palsy,)

He did that for the thief.

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The New Law and all of its requirments did not come into effect until AFTER Christ died.

Hebrews 9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.

17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

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What are you calling a "New Law"? it is a new covenant, the old covenant was fulfilled and completed by Christ on the cross, and those who believe they are no longer under the old covenant,

Hebrews|8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

Hebrews|8:7 For if that first