God is not a laundry service that wash your sins in two hours and then you become clean and fragrant.

[Mike Mclees]

  2 hours ago, R. Hartono said:

Not even God can make us new unless we repento.

For God nothing is impossible . To repent of a sin is to stop the sin. This is a work which is physical not spiritual. What God does is spiritual and only He can make you new again, and that has nothing to do with repentance "you must be born again of the spirit "

[Selah7]

35 minutes ago, kwikphilly said:

First of all it seems there is a bit of confusion with " repentance"

.Repentance is a process of recognizing ones sin,a regret or remorse,asking forgiveness & a willingness to not repeat .... to change and do things differently not to go back to sinning

So,does this mean "we" must complete the process of repentance before God Can make us New Creatures- of course not

 When you go to the laundry mat do you wash your clothes before hand or you bring them dirty- it's rather obvious? We come to Christ as we are,before during or after a process of repentance & just with a sincere,willing & open heart to Receive ....

Asking forgiveness means you have recognized you are a sinner & the repentant heart is that desire to change..... We do not have the power to complete a process of repentance without Christ Jesus

 

 

 

Hi there, Kwik.  Thanks for your good post. 

When we come to Jesus, it is with a truly repentant heart, fully trusting in Him to cleanse us of all sin and make us righteous. As long as we continue to live in physical bodies, though, we will inevitably fall from time to time, but as long as we repent sincerely with a contrite heart, our heavenly Father promises to forgive us each time.     

But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin. If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

- 1 John 1:7-9 (NKJV)

Selah 

[Mike Mclees]

1 hour ago, Rosie1jack2pauline3 said:

2 Corinthians 10.

Godly sorrow brings repentance that leads to salvation and leaves no regret, but worldly sorrow brings death.

Yes that is right. Godly sorrow is of the spirit. Earthly sorrow does not look to God

[Dan Knight]

6 hours ago, JimmyB said:

Not even God can make us new?  The deity who created the heavens and the earth and all living things can't make us into who He wants us to be?  We must help Him by works???

"For by grace you are saved through faith, and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God; it is not from works, so that no one can boast." Ephesians 2:8-9

Repent-

Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: metanoeó
Phonetic Spelling: (met-an-o-eh'-o)
Definition: to change one's mind or purpose
Usage: I repent, change my mind, change the inner man (particularly with reference to acceptance of the will of God), repent.

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[Dan Knight]

8 hours ago, R. Hartono said:

Not even God can make us new unless we repento.

Acts 3:19 repent,then, and turn back, so that your sins may be wiped away. 

In this respect you are correct.  The process of making one new begins with the wiping away of sins. Per the above mentioned verse, repenting and turning back precedes the wiping away of sin. What is new about same old sin? So what does it take to have your sins wiped away? Repentance? Not at all. Repentance and turning back gets you to the 'station' where sins are wiped away.  

  I have to say it struck me that in quoting your original statement,  the fellow eliminated certain words from your post. You said 'Not even God can....unless we repent". You were quoted as saying "Not even God can make us new". HUGE difference.  Huge. 

  Well said friend,  well said indeed.  --peace be to us all

[JimmyB]

1 hour ago, Dan Knight said:

Repent-

Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: metanoeó
Phonetic Spelling: (met-an-o-eh'-o)
Definition: to change one's mind or purpose
Usage: I repent, change my mind, change the inner man (particularly with reference to acceptance of the will of God), repent.

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What are you trying to show?  That you can cut-and-paste the meaning of a Greek word?

[JimmyB]

9 hours ago, R. Hartono said:

Not even God can make us new unless we repento.

Are you serious?  God, the all-powerful creator of the universe, can't make us new?  So what else can't God do???  He is not limited by our ability repent!!!

[Sower]

20 minutes ago, JimmyB said:

Are you serious?  God, the all-powerful creator of the universe, can't make us new?  So what else can't God do???  He is not limited by our ability repent!!!

 

Would this be because you believe in 'irresistible' grace?  Just asking.

 

[Your closest friendnt]

1 hour ago, JimmyB said:

Are you serious?  God, the all-powerful creator of the universe, can't make us new?  So what else can't God do???  He is not limited by our ability repent!!!

There are events that took place that make one wonder...

Without the man asking, or even given the opportunity to asked Jesus forgave his (their) sins on his own.

Those whose sins were forgiven did not even asked,  and how can they asked when Jesus forgave their sins without them knowing that he will do that, without even believing that he can do that...

Jesus did it on his own initiative...

He did it before the Cross, for the Jews only, those in the Covenant of Sinai, and why can he not do it now in the New Covenant for his own children...those who already believe in him...in the same way as he did it before the Cross without them knowing or expecting it...definitely he is able to do it...

Interesting to looked into it. 

The man on the Cross he made him righteous without him even knowing what Jesus was about to do..

It must have been a big surprise for him to find himself together with the righteous children of Abraham, and with Abraham.  This happened before the death of Jesus because he died first before Jesus...

Edited September 4, 2022 by Your closest friendnt

[Dan Knight]

1 hour ago, JimmyB said:

What are you trying to show?  That you can cut-and-paste the meaning of a Greek word?

Maybe, or, what repent means in biblical language.