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[kwikphilly]

Can we talk about Job a little?

I'm probably gonna get chewed out here but that is my least favorite books in all the Bible( probably because everyone told me to ," read Job" for certain personal reasons when I was dead in sin)

Anyway,I still think Job was the whiningest,grumbling,complaining,wow is me,pity partier I ever heard.. ..Bless his murmuring self though,he remained Faithful & never cursed God!

Any thoughts? I'm asking for it,aren't I?

[Starise]

1 minute ago, kwikphilly said:

Lol.... You know I relate to your situation very well,too well!!!

Maybe I needed some more humbling too after the last " thing" over 10 yrs ago---- I didn't think I've forgotten anything,I didn't think I lost any humility,I believed I gave God Glory?

Or maybe He was testing what I had learned- apparently not much as I explained in the other thread...

We are such babes Brother- we actually think our half decades plus of study & maturity makes us " grown"

Hahahaha😘❤️🙏🫣

I think it needs to be said kwik that every time we get sick isn't necessarily because we were prideful.

Neither is every time we get sick a punishment for something we've done.

I surely can't see anything like pride in you here. Life is a process sometimes that involves physical ailments. 

I have asked myself, do I deserve what came to me? I deserved much worse.

We certainly can do things to make it worse, but I have seen health conscious athletic people get very sick. 

I guess it's only natural to question WHY something is happening. What can I do to help stop it? For me it's eat right and pray.

Since my life's goal isn't to live here forever, I do my best to stay as healthy as I can and leave the rest up to God who tells us to lay ALL of our cares on Him  because He CARES for us.

[Alive]

Just now, kwikphilly said:

Can we talk about Job a little?

I'm probably gonna get chewed out here but that is my least favorite books in all the Bible( probably because everyone told me to ," read Job" for certain personal reasons when I was dead in sin)

Anyway,I still think Job was the whiningest,grumbling,complaining,wow is me,pity partier I ever heard.. ..Bless his murmuring self though,he remained Faithful & never cursed God!

Any thoughts? I'm asking for it,aren't I?

LOL

The key to Job is at the very end---well almost the very end.

Job 42:7 (NAS20S)   It came about after the LORD had spoken these words to Job, that the LORD said to Eliphaz the Temanite, “My wrath is kindled against you and against your two friends, because you have not spoken of Me what is trustworthy, as My servant Job has. ⁸ “Now therefore, take for yourselves seven bulls and seven rams, and go to My servant Job, and offer up a burnt offering for yourselves, and My servant Job will pray for you. For I will accept him so as not to do with you as your foolishness deserves, because you have not spoken of Me what is trustworthy, as My servant Job has.” ⁹ So Eliphaz the Temanite, Bildad the Shuhite, and Zophar the Naamathite went and did as the LORD told them; and the LORD accepted Job.

God Restores Job’s Fortunes

Job 42:10 (NAS20S)   The LORD also restored the fortunes of Job when he prayed for his friends, and the LORD increased double all that Job had. ¹¹ Then all his brothers, all his sisters, and all who had known him before came to him, and they ate bread with him in his house; and they sympathized with him and comforted him for all the adversities that the LORD had brought on him. And each one gave him a piece of money, and each a ring of gold. ¹² The LORD blessed the latter days of Job more than his beginning;

[kwikphilly]

1 minute ago, Starise said:

I think it needs to be said kwik that every time we get sick isn't necessarily because we were prideful.

Neither is every time we get sick a punishment for something we've done.

I surely can't see anything like pride in you here. Life is a process sometimes that involves physical ailments. 

I have asked myself, do I deserve what came to me? I deserved much worse.

We certainly can do things to make it worse, but I have seen health conscious athletic people get very sick. 

I guess it's only natural to question WHY something is happening. What can I do to help stop it? For me it's eat right and pray.

Since my life's goal isn't to live here forever, I do my best to stay as healthy as I can and leave the rest up to God who tells us to lay ALL of our cares on Him  because He CARES for us.

You're 1000 percent right Brother! Rain falls on the just & the unjust....

We do have a tendency to self examine,search out hearts- don't we? I know God does not Allow ANYTHING to happen without reason so I do often wonder,why?

We just cannot forget that liar,the accusor,the one who would really like a foothold!Let's ,in Jesus Name,kick em to the curb right now because WHATEVER God's Reason is for our Good & His Glory!Amen?

[Starise]

4 minutes ago, kwikphilly said:

Can we talk about Job a little?

I'm probably gonna get chewed out here but that is my least favorite books in all the Bible( probably because everyone told me to ," read Job" for certain personal reasons when I was dead in sin)

Anyway,I still think Job was the whiningest,grumbling,complaining,wow is me,pity partier I ever heard.. ..Bless his murmuring self though,he remained Faithful & never cursed God!

Any thoughts? I'm asking for it,aren't I?

I see a lot of spiritual lessons in Job that come from a lot of angles.

His friends didn't really do him any service. The man lost everything, his family was killed in storms, he had boils head to toe.His own wife told him to give up and die.

It would probably take a miracle for me not to complain or at least question if I were in his shoes. 

The book shows some of Job's ideas were wrong. There are chapters that deal with the lord reminding Job of His great power and ability.

When C.S Lewis wife died I believe he went through some similar thoughts and he wrote about it. It's tough to have a schedule and a life when all of a sudden the rug is pulled right out from under us through tragedy. 

I'm not sure where to start since Job is teeming with lessons. It's a picture of the lowest a man can go without dying and I'm pretty sure Job might have thought he was going to die. 

Another interesting parallel read would be Nebuchadnezzer whn he assumed the place of an animal. Talk about humility..only he was like an animal so he wasn't fully aware for a long time. Job was aware and didn't seem to have pride. Only God knows.

[kwikphilly]

5 minutes ago, Alive said:

LOL

The key to Job is at the very end---well almost the very end.

Job 42:7 (NAS20S)   It came about after the LORD had spoken these words to Job, that the LORD said to Eliphaz the Temanite, “My wrath is kindled against you and against your two friends, because you have not spoken of Me what is trustworthy, as My servant Job has. ⁸ “Now therefore, take for yourselves seven bulls and seven rams, and go to My servant Job, and offer up a burnt offering for yourselves, and My servant Job will pray for you. For I will accept him so as not to do with you as your foolishness deserves, because you have not spoken of Me what is trustworthy, as My servant Job has.” ⁹ So Eliphaz the Temanite, Bildad the Shuhite, and Zophar the Naamathite went and did as the LORD told them; and the LORD accepted Job.

God Restores Job’s Fortunes

Job 42:10 (NAS20S)   The LORD also restored the fortunes of Job when he prayed for his friends, and the LORD increased double all that Job had. ¹¹ Then all his brothers, all his sisters, and all who had known him before came to him, and they ate bread with him in his house; and they sympathized with him and comforted him for all the adversities that the LORD had brought on him. And each one gave him a piece of money, and each a ring of gold. ¹² The LORD blessed the latter days of Job more than his beginning;

Yes- double for his trouble!

Still think he was a whiner🫣

A  good & Faithful whiner but none the less..  😘

[Dan Knight]

10 minutes ago, kwikphilly said:

Can we talk about Job a little?

I'm probably gonna get chewed out here but that is my least favorite books in all the Bible( probably because everyone told me to ," read Job" for certain personal reasons when I was dead in sin)

Anyway,I still think Job was the whiningest,grumbling,complaining,wow is me,pity partier I ever heard.. ..Bless his murmuring self though,he remained Faithful & never cursed God!

Any thoughts? I'm asking for it,aren't I?

I am sure to get worked over for this one...

It's not about righteous Job,  rather self righteous Job.  He accounted God's goodness to his goodness.  Which negates grace.

Read where God begins in on him saying," where were you when I..."

Few verses later Job repents.

God refers to Job as.perfect in his own ways.  We know now that God's ways are not our ways.

[kwikphilly]

2 minutes ago, Starise said:

I see a lot of spiritual lessons in Job that come from a lot of angles.

His friends didn't really do him any service. The man lost everything, his family was killed in storms, he had boils head to toe.His own wife told him to give up and die.

It would probably take a miracle for me not to complain or at least question if I were in his shoes. 

The book shows some of Job's ideas were wrong. There are chapters that deal with the lord reminding Job of His great power and ability.

When C.S Lewis wife died I believe he went through some similar thoughts and he wrote about it. It's tough to have a schedule and a life when all of a sudden the rug is pulled right out from under us through tragedy. 

I'm not sure where to start since Job is teeming with lessons. It's a picture of the lowest a man can go without dying and I'm pretty sure Job might have thought he was going to die. 

Another interesting parallel read would be Nebuchadnezzer whn he assumed the place of an animal. Talk about humility..only he was like an animal so he wasn't fully aware for a long time. Job was aware and didn't seem to have pride. Only God knows.

Uhh,with " friends" like Job had who needs enemies?

It is an incredible journey of lessons- I do love when God Sets em straight though and I do love God's Description of the things about the Universe He Created that no one could have known about in that time? There were no telescopes & they knew only as far as their feet could take them.     It really does blow me away,who could refute it is the Creator Who Spoke?

[kwikphilly]

6 minutes ago, Dan Knight said:

I am sure to get worked over for this one...

It's not about righteous Job,  rather self righteous Job.  He accounted God's goodness to his goodness.  Which negates grace.

Read where God begins in on him saying," where were you when I..."

Few verses later Job repents.

God refers to Job as.perfect in his own ways.  We know now that God's ways are not our ways.

Exactly! Amen

[Dan Knight]

2 minutes ago, kwikphilly said:

Uhh,with " friends" like Job had who needs enemies?

It is an incredible journey of lessons- I do love when God Sets em straight though and I do love God's Description of the things about the Universe He Created that no one could have known about in that time? There were no telescopes & they knew only as far as their feet could take them.     It really does blow me away,who could refute it is the Creator Who Spoke?

Amen.