Jayne Posted November 30, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 108 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 3,830 Content Per Day: 1.28 Reputation: 4,821 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/31/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted November 30, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, JimmyB said: They do not carry the title of President before their name. President Obama? President Bush? President Carter? Sorry, but what you say isn't the case. You've never heard these men referred to as "President" after their term is over? I've heard all of them referred to as President. Not all of the time, but a lot. I thought it was just understood. I've done it myself many times. Edited November 30, 2022 by Jayne 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyB Posted November 30, 2022 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,628 Content Per Day: 1.13 Reputation: 304 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/23/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted November 30, 2022 (edited) 38 minutes ago, Jayne said: You've never heard these men referred to as "President" after their term is over? I've heard all of them referred to as President. Not all of the time, but a lot. I thought it was just understood. I've done it myself many times. They have not been correctly referred to as President when they were no longer in office, unless the reference was historical in nature. For example, "President Nixon resigned". This was never an issue until ex-President Trump and others continue to deliberately refer to him as "President Trump", even in legal matters. Ex-President Trump as never conceded defeat and has "Hail to the Chief" played at Mar-a-Lago. The issue has gained even greater importance with his mishandling of classified documents. There is one President: Joe Biden. Edited November 30, 2022 by JimmyB 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayin jade Posted November 30, 2022 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 44 Topic Count: 6,178 Topics Per Day: 0.87 Content Count: 43,800 Content Per Day: 6.18 Reputation: 11,247 Days Won: 58 Joined: 01/03/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted November 30, 2022 1 hour ago, JimmyB said: They do not carry the title of President before their name. President Obama? President Bush? President Carter? Sorry, but what you say isn't the case. Sorry jimmy but you are wrong. Here are two examples. From yesterday's news https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/president-barack-obama-to-offer-reflections-at-sandy-hook-promise-benefit-ahead-of-10-year-remembrance-301689293.html NEW YORK, Nov. 29, 2022 /PRNewswire/ -- On Tuesday, December 6, Sandy Hook Promise (SHP) will commemorate the 10-year remembrance of the Sandy Hook Elementary School tragedy with a benefit evening at The Ziegfeld Ballroom in New York City. President Barack Obama will deliver remarks and reflections. From one hour ago AT CAMP DAVID, GCC STATES SET TO IGNORE PRESIDENT OBAMA’S CONCERNS ON INTERNAL CHALLENGES The challenge that President Obama will face in having “difficult conversations” about internal governance questions with leaders of Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) states was made abundantly clear at a briefing on “The Future of the US-Gulf Partnership” at The Atlantic Council on Thursday. When asked about President Obama’s comments on the need for GCC states to meet their internal challenges with political reforms, featured speaker United Arab Emirates (UAE) ambassador Yousef al-Otaiba was dismissive. “We do not share your democratic values,” he stated bluntly. https://humanrightsfirst.org/library/at-camp-david-gcc-states-set-to-ignore-president-obamas-concerns-on-internal-challenges-2/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayin jade Posted November 30, 2022 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 44 Topic Count: 6,178 Topics Per Day: 0.87 Content Count: 43,800 Content Per Day: 6.18 Reputation: 11,247 Days Won: 58 Joined: 01/03/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted November 30, 2022 @JimmyBHowever I have a question. When trump was president, did you give him the courtesy of calling him president trump? Or were you like others I saw who only refered to him as a number, or without the title, or even the highly disrespectful tRump? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayne Posted November 30, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 108 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 3,830 Content Per Day: 1.28 Reputation: 4,821 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/31/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted November 30, 2022 53 minutes ago, JimmyB said: This was never an issue until ex-President Trump and others continue to deliberately refer to him as "President Trump", even in legal matters. I've not heard of people "deliberately" referring to Trump as President Trump out of spite or ignorance. Really, I've said President Obama, President Carter, President Reagan, and President Bush. I don't always say President before their names, but I do many times. I had no idea that this was a problem. Oh, well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted November 30, 2022 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 599 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,319 Content Per Day: 7.55 Reputation: 28,075 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted November 30, 2022 4 hours ago, JimmyB said: They do not carry the title of President before their name. President Obama? President Bush? President Carter? Sorry, but what you say isn't the case. It has been the custom here my whole life. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwikphilly Posted December 1, 2022 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 96 Topic Count: 308 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 18,151 Content Per Day: 4.59 Reputation: 27,851 Days Won: 327 Joined: 08/03/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted December 1, 2022 5 hours ago, other one said: It has been the custom here my whole life. Mine too,and my parents and theirs as well.... I remember my Grandpa referring to President Eisenhower and President Truman and anyone who was POTUS at one time or another..... I cant seem to get the Title of " President" out of my mouth when referencing biden,I lost respect with barrack obiden & feel the same when he took office as Joe obiden 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
just_abc Posted December 1, 2022 Group: Senior Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 901 Content Per Day: 0.11 Reputation: 543 Days Won: 1 Joined: 12/06/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted December 1, 2022 (edited) On 11/30/2022 at 8:11 AM, other one said: Technically the USA is a constitutional republic. The law of the land is the constitution and it is carried out by elected people filling positions set by the constitution. Each person who is elected or works for one of the elected persons take an oath to do so by the laws set by the constitution and to uphold that constitution Thank you very much for explaining. It is much appreciated. On 11/30/2022 at 8:29 AM, kwikphilly said: Hi abc!!! Greetings & Blessings- great to see ya ❤️ other one gave a very clear & concise definition Your input is welcomed,no need to apologize,your explain is certainly helpful for those Intl folks👍 So between what Pat has said,other one & yourself I do hope people have a better understanding.....Thanks for your comments,always appreciated ❤️ With love in Christ, Kwik Good to see you too kwik! Thank you very much for your kind reply I mentioned about possible differences in definitions for terms such as democracy and republic. ... In the past on the internet (even on worthy) sometimes there have been confusion or misunderstanding between folk inside and outside the Usa.. because oftentimes both sides might not always realise that the other side is using a different definition for a term.. or why they are doing so... So nowadays I sometimes mention about the different definitions.. so hopefully my fellow worthy members would please also keep in mind that there are some differences.... Anyways thanks again for your kind words.. (and your patience with me! lol ) Thanks! Ps. I came across this article which gives a list of definitions of the term republic .... (If I am not mistaken Merriam-Webster is an american dictionary? ) https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/republic#:~:text=%3A a government in which supreme,such a form of government The first definition i.e "definition 1.a " is similar to commonly used meaning or definition used by folk in many /most countries around the world.. outside the Usa.... On the other hand.. the definition "1.b" to me I am guessing might be similar to meaning or definition used by many folk inside the Usa ? No offence intended kwik.. but just wanted to post the list of definitions to try to explain what I mean about there being differences.. Thanks again very much for your patience! Sorry for long post (wonders if there is a timeout corner on the forums for longwinded posters? hehe just kidding! Edited December 1, 2022 by just_abc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
just_abc Posted December 1, 2022 Group: Senior Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 901 Content Per Day: 0.11 Reputation: 543 Days Won: 1 Joined: 12/06/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted December 1, 2022 On 11/30/2022 at 8:31 AM, The_Patriot21 said: A democracy and a republic are two completely different forms of government. There's a representative democracy, which is more in tune with what Australia has, but it's still not a true republic. hi Pat I am a bit curious.... (well actually I am a lot curious lol) .... I am wondering.... what is the difference (if any) between the definition of a representative democracy and the definition of a republic in the Usa / american english ? As an outsider who has never been to your country.... to me both definitions (in the Usa) seem possibly very similar or almost identical maybe ?? Or am I mistaken I dunno.. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwikphilly Posted December 1, 2022 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 96 Topic Count: 308 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 18,151 Content Per Day: 4.59 Reputation: 27,851 Days Won: 327 Joined: 08/03/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted December 1, 2022 2 hours ago, just_abc said: Thank you very much for explaining. It is much appreciated. Good to see you too kwik! Thank you very much for your kind reply I mentioned about possible differences in definitions for terms such as democracy and republic. ... In the past on the internet (even on worthy) sometimes there have been confusion or misunderstanding between folk inside and outside the Usa.. because oftentimes both sides might not always realise that the other side is using a different definition for a term.. or why they are doing so... So nowadays I sometimes mention about the different definitions.. so hopefully my fellow worthy members would please also keep in mind that there are some differences.... Anyways thanks again for your kind words.. (and your patience with me! lol ) Thanks! Ps. I came across this article which gives a list of definitions of the term republic .... (If I am not mistaken Merriam-Webster is an american dictionary? ) https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/republic#:~:text=%3A a government in which supreme,such a form of government The first definition i.e "definition 1.a " is similar to commonly used meaning or definition used by folk in many /most countries around the world.. outside the Usa.... On the other hand.. the definition "1.b" to me I am guessing might be similar to meaning or definition used by many folk inside the Usa ? No offence intended kwik.. but just wanted to post the list of definitions to try to explain what I mean about there being differences.. Thanks again very much for your patience! Sorry for long post (wonders if there is a timeout corner on the forums for longwinded posters? hehe just kidding! Blessings ABC If there is a " long winded" poster section you'd have to share it with Omega !!! Rofl I take no offense,American English is very very DIFFERENT to say the least, in comparison to the kings English(or shall I say "Queens" lol) Years ago after retirement I worked for some friends part time doing sales ( telephone). I enjoyed the overnight shift that sold to the UK,part of the job training was being taught the " jargon" or they'd have no idea what in the world we were talking about!!!!! I have learned over the years that the USA is the one that's different,unusual and set apart so I'd better learn to listen and be ready for correction if I wanted to be heard - growing up in NYC,NY - an Intl melting pot. In His Love,Kwik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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