The souls under the altar (Rev. 6:9-11); are they killed before or during the tribulation period?

[Revelation Man]

On 12/14/2022 at 1:28 PM, other one said:

Well, it's just my personal opinion, but after many readings of it all, it seems to me that the great tribulation is the wrath of satan against us when he's thrown down here and for one reason or another we will not be here for the wrath of God.

Great Troubles are both. Satan is only cast down 1260 days before Jesus returns, and tat just so happens to be how long God's Wrath lasts. The Asteroid Impact in Rev. 8 is when the Anti-Christ is allowed to go forth conquering. The troubles are therefore two-fold. And I can explain why logically. 

Lets say you were one of 3.5-5 Million Jews who come to Messiah Christ just before God's Wrath falls and you flee unto the Petra and/or Bozrah area. You will be safe, but there will be no Air Conditioning, you will be separated from many family members, a lot of whom will take the Mark of the Beast and be killed by God via the 2nd Woe (the 200 million are Angelic Forces, it says they brig Plagues of God). Many will e killed by the Anti-Christ, so those troubles for those families will be two fold, God will slay some, and the Anti-Christ will slay some. In the Americas both continents will be ablaze. 

[iamlamad]

On 12/15/2022 at 1:32 PM, The Light said:

Matthew 24

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Revelation 6

12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

I got some more truth for you. The second seal will be opened between the 1st and 3rd seal. Let's get crazy. The fourth seal will be opened between the 3rd and 5th seal. We are on a roll.

 

The final week will begin when the seals are opened. There is only one year left in the final 7 years when the 7th seal is opened.

The final week begins with the confirming of the covenant and the seals are opened at that time. Only 1 year remains at the 7th seal opening. It is a year of Gods wrath.

Sorry, these are two very different signs separated in time by over seven years.

[The Light]

1 hour ago, iamlamad said:

Sorry, these are two very different signs separated in time by over seven years.

Same signs. The moon always turns to blood before being darkened. These are the events that happen before the day of the Lord. There is only 1 year of wrath so what you say about the 7 years cannot be correct.

[iamlamad]

1 hour ago, The Light said:

Same signs. The moon always turns to blood before being darkened. These are the events that happen before the day of the Lord. There is only 1 year of wrath so what you say about the 7 years cannot be correct.

Sorry, friend, but these are two different signs for two different events and will be seen over 7 years apart.

How can the sun and moon being visible be compared with total darkness where they are invisible?

The truth is, they are DIFFERENT signs.

The total eclipse sign is the sign for the Day of the Lord, BEFORE the 70th week.
The total darkness sign is for Christ's coming to Armageddon.

The eclipse sign is in chapter 6.
The total darkness sign, if shown, would be in chapter 19.

All those events between chapter 6 and chapter 19 will and MUST take place between these two signs.

 

[The Light]

14 minutes ago, iamlamad said:

Sorry, friend, but these are two different signs for two different events and will be seen over 7 years apart.

Again. It is impossible that the signs are 7 years apart. From the 6th seal to the end of wrath is 1 year. What you are saying is incorrect.

14 minutes ago, iamlamad said:

How can the sun and moon being visible be compared with total darkness where they are invisible?

The truth is, they are DIFFERENT signs.

The total eclipse sign is the sign for the Day of the Lord, BEFORE the 70th week.
The total darkness sign is for Christ's coming to Armageddon.

The day of the Lord does not start at the 70th week. The day of the Lord starts when the 7th seal is opened.

14 minutes ago, iamlamad said:

The eclipse sign is in chapter 6.
The total darkness sign, if shown, would be in chapter 19.

All those events between chapter 6 and chapter 19 will and MUST take place between these two signs.

 

There's that old imagination. You can make the Bible say anything you want. All you have to do is let your imagination run wild. Of course, the truth is, that leaves you without truth.

[iamlamad]

1 hour ago, The Light said:

Again. It is impossible that the signs are 7 years apart. From the 6th seal to the end of wrath is 1 year. What you are saying is incorrect.

The day of the Lord does not start at the 70th week. The day of the Lord starts when the 7th seal is opened.

There's that old imagination. You can make the Bible say anything you want. All you have to do is let your imagination run wild. Of course, the truth is, that leaves you without truth.

The imagination is all on your side. I take Revelation as written. Many people imagine they must rearrange it.

What did John write, and where? As the last sentence for the 6th seal John wrote, "the day of His wrath is come. WHEN again? At the 6th seal, not at the 7th.
The 7th seal begins the 70th week.

So me that one year. I think you ad libed it. 

[The Light]

19 hours ago, iamlamad said:

The imagination is all on your side. I take Revelation as written.

As written????????????? By imagining a rapture that isn't there at the end of the 5th seal. As written?????????? By imagining the signs of the sun moon and stars in Revelation 19 that aren't there.

19 hours ago, iamlamad said:

Many people imagine they must rearrange it.

No need to rearrange anything. All you have to do is realize that Jesus tells us in Matthew 24 the exact thing that John tells us in Revelation 6. 

19 hours ago, iamlamad said:

What did John write, and where? As the last sentence for the 6th seal John wrote, "the day of His wrath is come. WHEN again? At the 6th seal, not at the 7th.
The 7th seal begins the 70th week.

Use some commonsense brother. Those trumpets are the wrath of God. They don't start until the 7th seal is opened.

19 hours ago, iamlamad said:

So me that one year. I think you ad libed it. 

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Edited December 17, 2022 by The Light

[WilliamL]

1 hour ago, The Light said:

There is only 1 year of wrath so what you say about the 7 years cannot be correct.

Where do you get this one year from?

[The Light]

18 hours ago, WilliamL said:

Where do you get this one year from?

The Day of the Lord is 1000 years. The day of wrath is one year. If a week is 7 seven years, 1 day is one year.

Zephaniah 1

15 That day is a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness,

Romans 2

5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;

I got confirmation of this from @George when he posted this verse and asked me if this is how I concluded that the day of wrath is one year. It is not how I concluded it, but it is confirmation that this is correct.

Deuteronomy 24

5 When a man hath taken a new wife, he shall not go out to war, neither shall he be charged with any business: but he shall be free at home one year, and shall cheer up his wife which he hath taken.

The verse says when a man hath taken a new wife he shall be free at home for one year. Christ has taken a new bride at the second rapture. The 144,000 are first fruits of this harvest. At the end of one year the armies of heaven head to the earth.

[truth7t7]

39 minutes ago, The Light said:

The Day of the Lord is 1000 years. The day of wrath is one year. If a week is 7 seven years, 1 day is one year.

(The Day Of The Lord) is "One Day" that takes place at the future second coming of Jesus Christ (The End)