Do you have an educated guess as to what happens to severely depressed people that commit suicide?

[ladypeartree]

Is suicide a sin YES just as stealing telling lies murder ( including abortion ) or just plain having unclean thoughts ..IT IS NOT MY PLACE TO PASS JUDGMENT  God is the ONLY one to know the reasons or the results so I refuse to even give an educated guess as to what happens to that soul After all all the educated scientists and mathematicians in the world say ot is aerodynamically impossible for a bee to fly God said FLY so they do 

[kwikphilly]

22 hours ago, com7fy8 said:

Prevention is better than trying to figure it out after it happens.

Jesus has us have compassion for ones who have been close to people who have killed themselves. But we need to not mislead anyone about what can become of a person who has killed oneself. I don't believe in threatening people with hell, though. 

But the Bible is clear how each of us will reap what we have been sowing. And I think each of us has people we know who are sowing what feeds them to have major emotional trouble > yes, every one of us is now reaping emotionally according to whatever we have been spreading while sowing inside ourselves.

So suicide can be an end-product of the ways and attitudes that a person has committed oneself to during his or her life . . . including before any more obvious depression trouble > it could have been prevented by doing things of God's word and depending on Jesus instead of one's self.

There is always someone worth staying here to love.

I don't believe it's very wise for me to share my thoughts on this subject- I'll say this much only,the enemy has succeeded - he comes to steal,kill and destroy

It's all spiritual warfare  !    suicide=you lost    I'll stop here

 

[Jayne]

There seem to be several here who either "don't know" or "aren't sure" or are on the fence about Christians who take their own lives.

Could you elaborate more on why you think it is the unpardonable sin?  

 

 

[existential mabel]

18 hours ago, Jayne said:

Hi Mabel -

Sister, a LOT of people believe that verse is in the Bible.  But in actuality, it isn't.  God DOES allow things beyond our ability to bear them sometimes so that we will turn to him.  Hard things.  Sometimes we even bring those things upon ourselves.

What the Bible does say about our ability to handle things is 1 Corinthians 10:13 - "No temptation has overtaken you except what is common to mankind. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so that you can endure it"

In other words, the devil's temptations are just part of life and we all know them and understand them.  But God can be trusted to show us the way of escape.

That way of escape is usually the Bible, other Christians' help, and leaning on/being obedient to the Holy Spirit.

thanks Jayne for clearing that up, and giving scripture. i too have had my battle and suffice it to say its been Very close on a few occasions. i think the Holy Spirit has saved me from myself on a few occasions. primarily its been the bible that has been my escape route.

 

2 hours ago, Jayne said:

There seem to be several here who either "don't know" or "aren't sure" or are on the fence about Christians who take their own lives.

Could you elaborate more on why you think it is the unpardonable sin?  

this is what i have been wondering about this mature Christian...it was the final straw for me. 'put not my trust in.....' another scripture. i am now team solo! until and unless i can find a church... 

[existential mabel]

14 hours ago, Not of the World said:

Well, let's take my son's 18-year-old friend, for example.  He had previously been baptized but had expressed his skepticism in God to me.  I spoke to him numerous times for hours about God, the Bible, and how God loves us and wants us to live lives that make him proud to call us his children.  

Anyway, he shot himself in the head this past May.  

It's my hope and it is my believe that Jesus did save him because I know that he was, at heart, I nice person who was deeply troubled, primarily because of his divorced parents.  Frankly, his father was USELESS and is himself "lost".  His mother is just plain EVIL and crazy.  Anway, supposing that Jesus saved him, is he then "good to go" (so to speak) or is it possible that he still has (or had) more things to learn in Heaven?  

 

i wish there was a hug symbol. so sorry about this young man

[ladypeartree]

[DeighAnn]

Until you have been sitting in a room where everything is going super perfect and the next thing you know the person with you has gone from laughing to crying, from completely hopeful to utter despair FOR NO REASON whatsoever that can be discerned by EITHER party and so coming down to 

the BRAIN SHOOTING OUT THE WRONG CHEMICALS

which isn't that much different than when

anothers body multiplies cancer cells

or the pancreas quits working

or the ateries getting clogged

and all the rest of the things THAT KILL the flesh but IN A DIFFERENT WAY 

(AND THOSE voluntary aka smoking drinking eating etc.)

you shouldn't judge because YOU HAVE NO IDEA what it is like and how much 'lack of control' is at hand and how it is basically out of their hands.


ON the other hand, when it is because of other reasons - it is the murder of one of Gods Children,

and the person who did the murdering is going to be facing the person they murdered, IN FRONT OF GOD and NOTHING about that sounds like a good idea as far as I am concerned. 

Always makes me think of 

29Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

30For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.

31It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.  Heb 10

So for me, when talking to anyone 'left behind' I talk about the first part as the 2nd doesn't do much good at that part and we can always pray they just went 'crazy' for a second.  


 

[com7fy8]

 

2 hours ago, Jayne said:

Could you elaborate more on why you think it is the unpardonable sin? 

We have what you already have said . . . including > 

On 12/1/2022 at 11:41 AM, Jayne said:

I know those who believe that suicide sends a Christian directly to hell.  I don't believe that. The people who claim this state that even a Christian who commits suicide will go to hell because they don't have a chance to repent of it.

I do not believe God leaves His own children free to sin and break down to the point that they commit suicide; but He corrects us so we do not go all the way to killing ourselves. Instead, God will correct us so that does not happen. Below, we have scriptures with why I think this.  But first >

You also said >

On 12/1/2022 at 11:41 AM, Jayne said:

My post is NOT giving suicidal people permission to kill themselves.  I've been there twice in my life.  It was hell.  It was painful.  And thank God - he would not allow it.  I recovered both times.  I'm still not perfectly whole, but I am a lot better.  I don't see myself trying ever again.

I would say you have made yourself clear. And . . . I see it is possible that because you are a child of God, our Father corrected you so you did not do it. After all >

We have Hebrews 12:4-14 which I consider is God's guarantee how He will correct each of us who is a child of His. And verse 8 here says > 

"But if you are without chastening, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate and not sons." (Hebrews 12:8)

So, going by this scripture, I can see that God corrected you, as His word guarantees He does with every one of His children. And therefore, He is not going to just let me keep going in things which help develop me to become able to commit suicide.

You can see, then, that I do not accept that a person can become genuinely saved and then sin all the way to suicide. That would take a long breakdown process, with God just not doing anything effective to stop it. And we have how > 

"He who has begun a good work in you will complete it until the day of Jesus Christ." (in Philippians 1:6)

I would say this is another guarantee, along with our guarantee of God's correction, which indicates that God will not just turn us over all the way to Satan . . . I mean, so we go all the way and never get back.

There are those who might have convinced people they were Christians, and then they just found their way away from us. With this, I think of 1 John 2:19 >

"They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might made manifest, that none of them were of us." (1 John 2:19)

I believe in once saved, always saved, plus if saved, then effectively corrected so we become like Jesus and love like Jesus more and more as we grow in this. We are not only guaranteed Heaven, but also guaranteed real correction and curing of our character so we are pleasing to our Father like Jesus is and so we love like Jesus . . . as we mature in His character. 

So, in case someone convinces people that he or she is a Christian but then departs . . . by means of suicide or whatever else, I consider 1 John 2:19.

And in case someone is suffering in severe depression . . . first I need to trust in Jesus so I begin salvation. Then trust God to change me so that horrible stuff can not get to me. And keep investing in this, because our Father is committed to making us strong against cruel and nasty stuff. And we have various scriptures to help us with this > including > 

"Be anxious for nothing, but in everything by prayer and supplication, with thanksgiving, let your requests be made known to God; and the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus." (Philippians 4:6-7)

While we obey how our Father has us praying > His own peace is guaranteed to guard our "minds". God is almighty; so His peace is almighty to easily defeat cruel and nasty and dominating emotions and drives. This is easy for God, and God is committed to caring for us, like this.

And God is the One who is spiritual enough. 

He gets rid of Satanic stuff, and He changes our character so we have His immunity almighty against various evil and stupid nonsense of the devil > guaranteed >

"'Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.'" (Matthew 11:28-29) 

"Do all things without complaining and disputing, that you may become blameless and harmless, children of God without fault in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation," (in Philippians 2:13-16)

So, if we stop our complaining and arguing, with this process we can become strong in Jesus and then depression and suicidal stuff can not get the better of us. Complaining and arguing can be sins which help to degrade a person to become weak enough to give in to worse and worse stuff. But by stopping these contributing things we can become strong in how Jesus is loving and kind and emotionally gentle and humble. And in this being Christlike we have Christ's almighty power to keep us safe and sound emotionally and mentally.

I read one claim that a study was made about housewives who had depression problems. They said their depression got worse . . . after an increase in arguing with their husbands. Yes, as we do what may seem like expected behavior, like arguing, this can degrade us and make us weaker so then worse emotional stuff can get the better of us. Little things can add up.

You can sow a little seed, like some complaint or argument or thought of unforgiveness, and it can seem so tiny; but those are seeds which can grow into thorny weeds that make you and others bleed. 

"Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap. For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption, but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life." (Galatians 6:7-8)

So, God is committed to changing anyone into how Jesus has us be and love. So, there is no issue about if God wants to "heal" someone of a depression problem or suicidal tendencies. That stuff is anti-love and does not help to keep our attention with God and how He rules us in His peace > Colossians 3:15; so yes our Father cures us of that stuff. So it is wise, then, to sow seeds of all which is possible with God so we reap this 

And love "hopes all things", we have in 1 Corinthians 13:7. So, pray with hope for any person with any problem. Sow such prayer. 

[farouk]

2 minutes ago, com7fy8 said:

 

We have what you already have said . . . including > 

I do not believe God leaves His own children free to sin and break down to the point that they commit suicide; but He corrects us so we do not go all the way to killing ourselves. Instead, God will correct us so that does not happen..............

"He who has begun a good work in you will complete it until the day of Jesus Christ." (in Philippians 1:6)

 

 

@com7fy8 I thought of Philippians 1.6....and then I saw you had quoted it already...

[Marathoner]

25 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

Until you have been sitting in a room where everything is going super perfect and the next thing you know the person with you has gone from laughing to crying, from completely hopeful to utter despair FOR NO REASON whatsoever that can be discerned by EITHER party and so coming down to 

the BRAIN SHOOTING OUT THE WRONG CHEMICALS

which isn't that much different than when

anothers body multiplies cancer cells

or the pancreas quits working

or the ateries getting clogged

and all the rest of the things THAT KILL the flesh but IN A DIFFERENT WAY 

(AND THOSE voluntary aka smoking drinking eating etc.)

you shouldn't judge because YOU HAVE NO IDEA what it is like and how much 'lack of control' is at hand and how it is basically out of their hands.


ON the other hand, when it is because of other reasons - it is the murder of one of Gods Children,

and the person who did the murdering is going to be facing the person they murdered, IN FRONT OF GOD and NOTHING about that sounds like a good idea as far as I am concerned. 

Always makes me think of 

29Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

30For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.

31It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.  Heb 10

So for me, when talking to anyone 'left behind' I talk about the first part as the 2nd doesn't do much good at that part and we can always pray they just went 'crazy' for a second.  


 

The Lord bless you, sister. I have stood by while someone I looked after and provided for suffered terribly.

I've been in such a place myself before. I understand. 

I juggled managing her affairs, feeding and tending to her livestock, and sitting by her bed during her many stays in the hospital. I stood watch while she was unconscious in the ER, making sure she was looked after properly. I wouldn't make the two-hour trip back to her ranch until she was safely in a hospital room being looked after by wonderful nursing staff.

This was the honor the Lord bestowed upon me, for her children and family had abandoned her. There were trying times indeed but the Lord saw us through them. 

I didn't rebuke her when, in tears, she professed a desire to end her suffering by taking her life. I only held her until the crying passed. It was all I could do and it pleased the Lord. He knows how we suffer in this world.

The impossible happened: cancer was defeated, and her liver was healthy enough to guarantee many years of life. She was overjoyed, and so was I.

Then the Lord took her. There are many things some do not understand, but my heart is glad to find another who does. The Lord bless you, sister.