Reconciling 6 Days with 13.7 Billion Years

[Alive]

I meant regarding your response to sister Deighann. You quoted her and then went from there, so I asked if you had a specific 'truth' in mind that relates to the subject in which she is engaged.

[enoob57]

2 hours ago, Alive said:

I meant regarding your response to sister Deighann. You quoted her and then went from there, so I asked if you had a specific 'truth' in mind that relates to the subject in which she is engaged.

It is very simple really … when ‘the beginning’ is not the beginning then it becomes lie… We either stand on the Word of God or we don’t… In all God has revealed to us in His creative work: He first makes the place then that which is to dwell in that place made… 
Genesis 1:1 (KJV) [1] In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Then
Genesis 1:2 (KJV) [2] And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
There is nothing in the grammar to suggest any gap … so to put a gap it is done without support from the Word. Thus imagination now is at work and we have been clearly warned by God about that…
a good treatise on the subject:
https://www.gotquestions.org/gap-theory.html

[Guest]

8 hours ago, other one said:

be prepared for people to accuse you of ugly things is history repeats itself

I think I make more enemies than friends when I bring up controversial subjects, but some things need to be addressed.

[Guest]

8 hours ago, enoob57 said:

We are warned by God 
2 Corinthians 10:5 (KJV) [5] Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
I have seen the stuff they use and it is imagined; as the objective format of God’s Word does not state it….

Be patient, your time will come, I promise.

[Tristen]

17 hours ago, BeyondET said:

You were pretty quick to respond to the thread second post. so an open forum means to jump in and throw a wrench in the peace, I get you don't agree with it but the title seemed pretty clear what it is about. Im learning discussions are more likely to be productive with like minded most of the time. Debating with someone who will not consider anything else, is beating your head against the wall. Most of the time it turns into slug match who enjoys that. I'm learning to just carry on and not get drag into those kinds of Debates. 

 

“You were pretty quick to respond to the thread second post”

That is just a matter of timing – i.e. I responded when I saw the post. I am usually late to the party.

But I didn’t realize there are different rules for me. Apparently, I am expected to wait a cooling-off period before I’m permitted to respond to a thread. Is that so?

 

“so an open forum means to jump in and throw a wrench in the peace”

Or ... , one could say that “an open forum means” everyone with access to the forum is permitted to express their views on the thread. It is possible to have respectful disagreement without any wrenches being thrown “in the peace”. That negative sentiment did not come from my side of the discussion. I simply expressed, and defended, my position – as you did.

 

“I get you don't agree with it but the title seemed pretty clear what it is about”

Yes – it is a thread about origins – namely, promoting and defending the position that the secular narrative can be “reconciled” to the Bible. That is a topic of interest to me. I therefore scrutinized the provided information and posted my assessment.

Any suggestion that my engagement here was not appropriate is not fair-minded.

 

“Im learning discussions are more likely to be productive with like minded most of the time”

Of course. Nevertheless, I would point out that you also decided to respond to my posts. So it wasn’t just me throwing wrenches.

You may be “like minded”, but what if you are all wrong? What if there are aspects of the topic you haven’t considered?  What if your arguments are weak, or your reasoning is flawed? Yes, you’ll be in agreement, but you’ll also be trapped in an echo-chamber of error. Many non-Christians are in agreement against Christ and His Gospel. Should they only converse with those who are “like minded”?

We learn, and come closer to the truth, through an open exchange of ideas. Engaging with those who disagree with us gives us the opportunity to test the rational strength of our own position.

Proverbs 27:17 - As iron sharpens iron, So a man sharpens the countenance of his friend.

What if you encounter a non-Christian who brings up the same arguments against your position as I have raised? Do you send them away from the conversation without a satisfying answer?

1 Peter 3:15 - But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts, and always be ready to give a defense to everyone who asks you a reason for the hope that is in you, with meekness and fear

 

“Debating with someone who will not consider anything else, is beating your head against the wall. Most of the time it turns into slug match who enjoys that”

You are again employing Innuendo – i.e. insinuating that I am unwilling to “consider” your position.

In reality, I have demonstrated that I am eagerly prepared to “consider” everything you care to present. “Consider” means to test, to think about, to carefully examine the provided arguments and thereby reach a rational conclusion on the matter. I have done that.

 

Anyways, I pray you and your loved ones have a peaceful and joyous Christmas.

 

[Alive]

42 minutes ago, enoob57 said:

It is very simple really … when ‘the beginning’ is not the beginning then it becomes lie… We either stand on the Word of God or we don’t… In all God has revealed to us in His creative work: He first makes the place then that which is to dwell in that place made… 
Genesis 1:1 (KJV) [1] In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Then
Genesis 1:2 (KJV) [2] And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
There is nothing in the grammar to suggest any gap … so to put a gap it is done without support from the Word. Thus imagination now is at work and we have been clearly warned by God about that…
a good treatise on the subject:
https://www.gotquestions.org/gap-theory.html

Thanks for clarifying.

[Vine Abider]

1 hour ago, enoob57 said:

There is nothing in the grammar to suggest any gap … so to put a gap it is done without support from the Word. Thus imagination now is at work and we have been clearly warned by God about that…
a good treatise on the subject:
https://www.gotquestions.org/gap-theory.html

To be clear, that link is just someone's opinion.  (i.e., don't believe everything you read on that internets)

So, let's flip that logic around: There is not anything to suggest there is NOT a gap, is there?  (try not to just post your opinion)

[kwikphilly]

1 hour ago, Saved.One.by.Grace said:

I think I make more enemies than friends when I bring up controversial subjects, but some things need to be addressed.

But the " Friends" you have made over the years here are your Friends whether you bring up controversial subjects or you don't AND whether we agree or disagree regarding them❤️

Wishing you and your family( including the fur babies) a very Merry Christmas Dear Brother,my Friend

In His Love, Eternally

Your Sis Kwik

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Alive said:

Thanks for clarifying.

You shouldn't encourage his misrepresentation and misinterpretation of Holy Scriptures. 

[enoob57]

1 hour ago, Vine Abider said:

To be clear, that link is just someone's opinion.  (i.e., don't believe everything you read on that internets)

So, let's flip that logic around: There is not anything to suggest there is NOT a gap, is there?  (try not to just post your opinion)

There is a great depth of scholarship there… meaning a large obedience to His Word
2 Timothy 2:15 (KJV) [15] Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
 

When you practice a proper hermeneutic God’s Word will lead you and not you lead God’s Word…. Not an opinion as no gap is supported by grammar, context, historical analysis etc….