Did God restore Israel in 1948?

[dad2]

5 hours ago, George said:

Study the Kingdom ... and once you realize that the Kingdom is being restored to Israel ... you'll realize the entire plan of God.

? Kingdom being restored? What kingdom? Not the kingdom of God. Not any worldly kingdom that will last. So...?

[dad2]

6 hours ago, Walter Goraj jr said:

I believe that God's chosen people are the remnant of nations ordained to eternal life before this world began. And this will include many people of Hebrew origin ( not that it should even matter). 

 

God's chosen people are anyone that chooses Him. It was ordained that all who would choose Him would have eternal life. When all Israel chooses Jesus in the end, the former chosen people will again be His chosen people!

[George]

31 minutes ago, dad2 said:

? Kingdom being restored? What kingdom? Not the kingdom of God. Not any worldly kingdom that will last. So...?

So when Peter saw it, he responded to the people: “Men of Israel, why do you marvel at this? Or why look so intently at us, as though by our own power or godliness we had made this man walk? The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our fathers, glorified His Servant Jesus, whom you delivered up and denied in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let Him go. But you denied the Holy One and the Just, and asked for a murderer to be granted to you, and killed the Prince of life, whom God raised from the dead, of which we are witnesses. And His name, through faith in His name, has made this man strong, whom you see and know. Yes, the faith which comes through Him has given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all. “Yet now, brethren, I know that you did it in ignorance, as did also your rulers. But those things which God foretold by the mouth of all His prophets, that the Christ would suffer, He has thus fulfilled. Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord, and that He may send Jesus Christ, who was preached to you before, whom heaven must receive until the times of restoration of all things, which God has spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since the world began.
Acts 3:12‭-‬21 NKJV
https://bible.com/bible/114/act.3.12-21.NKJV

What is the Restoration of all things???

[dad2]

25 minutes ago, George said:

So when Peter saw it, he responded to the people: “Men of Israel, why do you marvel at this? Or why look so intently at us, as though by our own power or godliness we had made this man walk? The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our fathers, glorified His Servant Jesus, whom you delivered up and denied in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let Him go. But you denied the Holy One and the Just, and asked for a murderer to be granted to you, and killed the Prince of life, whom God raised from the dead, of which we are witnesses. And His name, through faith in His name, has made this man strong, whom you see and know. Yes, the faith which comes through Him has given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all. “Yet now, brethren, I know that you did it in ignorance, as did also your rulers. But those things which God foretold by the mouth of all His prophets, that the Christ would suffer, He has thus fulfilled. Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord, and that He may send Jesus Christ, who was preached to you before, whom heaven must receive until the times of restoration of all things, which God has spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since the world began.
Acts 3:12‭-‬21 NKJV
https://bible.com/bible/114/act.3.12-21.NKJV

What is the Restoration of all things???

That is something that was not in 1948 for starters. Since it says that Jesus was in heaven until the time of restoration, that seems to tell us it is after He returns.

[dad2]

19 minutes ago, Walter Goraj jr said:

Alright. I guess this is where we have to agree to disagree. If you are born again do you consider yourself chosen of God?

Of course. He chooses all who choose Jesus. We have the choice and that was what was foreordained. That was decided before the world began.

[Revelation Man]

On 12/29/2022 at 12:39 PM, dad2 said:

On the point that Zec 13 and Eze 37 are the same event, it seems to me that is the case also. After they are saved. That then is the very end of the Tribulation. So is that what you are saying also?

God only accepts Salvation through FAITH, even via the end time Jews, those who thinks Jesus shows up and the Jews still alive (some really think this) are automatically saved are in error. They must come to faith before Jesus' Second Coming. Only those who repent are protected, you know why? THINK NOW, How would end time Jews know to Flee Judea when they see the AoD (E.U. Presidents Image, IMHO) in the temple of God? They know because they have now read Matt. 24:15-19 like we do, they know because Elijah the Prophet (and Moses IMHO) show up at the 1335, JUST BEFORE the coming DOTL 1260 event which happens 75 days later, and thus Israel heeds the Two-witnesses, I mean when Moses and Elijah says, Hey, when you see this AoD (they will explain what it is no doubt) do not tarry, FLEE, do not look back. (Israel will have 30 days to flee, the 1290 comes 30 days before the 1260 event).

So, I am saying Israel gets saved just before the Anti-Christ Conquers them at the 1260, why else would the Dragon chase them for 1260 days? Catch my drift here? Israel comes to Faith via the 1335 Blessing (Two-witnesses show up) then they see the AoD via the Jewish High Priest False Prophet, by now Israel has joined the E.U. and thus from afar the E.U. President (Anti-Christ) puts pressure on the Prime Minister and the Jewish High Priest, thus he forbids Jesus Worship (takes away THE Real Sacrifice) and places the AoD in the temple, read Rev. 13 it says the 2nd Beast places the Image of the 1st Beast in the temple. See how it all ties together when we use MANY SCRIPTURES? God paints a Mosaic with many scriptures, we have to pull them together. My formula was to study EVENTS, not read the bible in a linear fashion, this unlocked deep truths for me. Its like someone leaving 20 clues to where a treasure is in the book Moby Dick. Reading the book straight through does nothing, researching that which ties all the clues together profits much.

Remember, the Dragon chases the Woman 1260 days thus Israel comes to faith first.  Then Jesus shows up 1335 days later, after the 1290 AoD scatters them to the wilderness, and thus God protects them for 1260 days.

I will get back on these replies tomorrow or Sat. Had an eventful day today, and I have to go to Birmingham tomorrow. 

 

Edited December 31, 2022 by Revelation Man

[dad2]

58 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

God only accepts Salvation through FAITH, even via the end time Jews, those who thinks Jesus shows up and the Jews still alive (some really think this) automatically saved are in error. They must come to faith before Jesus' Second Coming. Only those who repent are protected, you know why? THINK NOW, How would end time Jews know to Flee Judea when they see the AoD (E.U. Presidents Image, IMHO) in the temple of God? They know because they read Matt. 24:15-19 like we do, they now because Elijah the Prophet (and Moses IMHO) show up at the 1335, JUST BEFORE the coming DOTL 1260 event 75 days later and thus Israel heeds the Two-witnesses, I mean when Moses and Elijah says, Hey, when you see this AoD (they will explain what it is no doubt) do not tarry, FLEE, do not look back. (Israel will have 30 days to flee, the 1290 comes 30 days before the 1260 event).

When they see Him whom they believe and that is faith. He counts that. Firstly, the 2 prophets are not named. I have seen many guesses for that. Secondly how do you know exactly when they show up? The 30 and 45 extra days are not before the Tribulation but after. Why? Because the big count is 1290. Then more are mentioned after that. Israel will not have 30 days to flee. Jesus made that clear. The MUST flee so fast that they do not even go back in their house to grab a needed coat or anything else! You seem to be welding scripture to fit your pet ideas.

 

[dad2]

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Revelation Man said:

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So, I am saying Israel gets saved just before the Anti-Christ Conquers them at the 1260, why else would the Dragon chase them for 1260 days?

Once they get saved God conquers all their enemies. That doesn't fit.

1 hour ago, Revelation Man said:

 

 

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Catch my drift here? Israel come to Faith via the 1335 Blessing (Two-witnesses show up) then they see the AoD via the Jewish High Priest False Prophet,

No. Again that does not fit. The Abomination of desolation is in the middle of the 7 years, not the end.

1 hour ago, Revelation Man said:

 

 

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by now Israel has joined the E.U. and thus from AFAR the E.U. President (Anti-Christ) put pressure on the Prime Minister and the Jewish High Priest, thus he forbids Jesus Worship (takes away THE Real Sacrifice)

No. If they worshiped Jesus in the sacrifices no one would be able to bother them. It would be all over. The reason Satan is allowed to attack them is because they did not accept Jesus, not because they did!

1 hour ago, Revelation Man said:

 

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the Dragon chases the Woman 1260 days thus Israel come to faith first.  Then Jesus shows up 1335 days later

No way.  It is the dragon that gets chased to the pit once Israel gets saved! The Tribulation is FOR Israel (and others) to learn they need Good and finally accept Jesus.

 

Edited December 30, 2022 by dad2

[George]

5 hours ago, dad2 said:

That is something that was not in 1948 for starters. Since it says that Jesus was in heaven until the time of restoration, that seems to tell us it is after He returns.

You asked what Kingdom is being restored with a ? .... I answered you with only Scripture to what I was referring ....

Therefore, when they had come together, they asked Him, saying, “Lord, will You at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?” And He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or seasons which the Father has put in His own authority. But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.”
Acts 1:6‭-‬8 NKJV
https://bible.com/bible/114/act.1.6-8.NKJV

[Desopixi Seilynam]

"the promise made of God to our Fathers....
why should it be thought a thing incredible with you
that God should raise the dead?"

Acts 26:6-8

There is only one direct promise from God (I will..)
concerning resurrection.

Ezekiel 37:12

"I will open you graves and bring you up out of your graves
and bring you into the land of Isreal"

That is the promise of resurrection, directly from God made to the Fathers,
that Paul speaks of in Acts 26.

 

Ezekiel 37 - 39 gives the same order given in Revelation 20.

Ezkiel 37:1-15 = Resurrections
Ezekiel 37:15-28 = Reign
Ezekiel 38 and 39 = Gog and Magog

Revelation 20:4-5 = Resurrections
Revelation 20:5-7 = Reign
Revelation 20:7-10 = Gog and Magog

These things are clear from the texts themselves,
showing us clearly that they both speak of the same events.

 

The current state of Isreal is all completely divided,
there are many checkpoints on the crossroads, diving up the land,
and that hold captive many people just as Obadiah prophesied.

The current state of Israel is 3 distinct territories,
with 3 different governing bodies;
Israel, the west bank, and the Gaza strip.

Ezekiel 37:22 says
"neither shall they be divided into two nations any more at all".

Therefore clearly what happened from 1948 through 1967
and that continues now was and is not a fulfilling of Ezkeiel 37:22.

Ezekiel goes on to say "all of them dwelling without bars or gates",
again showing us that 1948 is not what Ezekiel is talking about,
because since 1948-1967 they dwell with bars and gates,
and soilders outside of their gates, in the streets, and on roof tops,
guarding their settlements.

The great return from God clearly includes resurrections.
The enemy would have you to believe that a passage that is clearly about reurrection, Ezekiel 37:9-12, is about something else.

Many will tell you that 'graves' in Ezkiel 37:9-12 does not mean graves.

But given Acts 26 and the fact that Revelation matches the same order,
we can know that 'graves' means what it says.