'Jewish', a single mention in all the words of God?

[Deborah_]

1 hour ago, DeighAnn said:

In the way in which it seems many Christians don't know God divided the nation into two separate and distinct nations, and when they tried to go back to one nation, GOD said NO, yet here we are effectively doing just that with the word.  

We don't all have Jewish roots.  Only the Southern tribes of Judah and Benjamin (and some Levites) the House of Judah have Jewish roots.  The other 12 tribes have no Jewish roots at all, so most Christians, if could be traced, wouldn't have any at all.  Not to mention the Jews don't believe in Jesus as the Son of God, yet.  Our roots would be Israelite or Hebrew, but not Jewish.  

But in the Bible itself we have this same "confusion". In the Old Testament, "Israel" is often used to describe both Israel and Judah. The kingdom of Judah was never just the tribe of Judah; it always included the tribe of Benjamin, a quarter of the tribe of Levi, and an unknown number of the other tribes who moved to Judah after the kingdom was divided (II Chronicles 11:16,17). After the exile (when there was no longer a kingdom), all surviving Israelites (no matter what their tribal origins were) became known as "Jews" (because the vast majority had been citizens of the kingdom of Judah, even if their ancestors had been from the northern tribes). So in the new Testament, "the Jews" includes people like Anna, who was from the tribe of Asher (Luke 2:36).

It may irritate those of us who like strict logical definitions, but the fact is that ever since the Exile (500 years or so before Christ), the word "Jew" has been applied to all the descendants of Jacob. 

[tim_from_pa]

12 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

I know there are references to this Jew and that one, and Jewry is used for Jerusalem but 'Jewish' is not ever used that I could find.  


"Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth." Titus 1:14 KJV


Is that the only time?  If God doesn't use it, should we?  Would OUR using it be a 'way of the world', since it causes unending confusion?

Keep in mind that God's Word is true and knows who his people are.  When it says Jew(s) and in one instance Jewish, it is talking about the denizens of the tribe (or house or nation) of Judah with some Benjaminites and some Levites thrown in for good measure.   There are not 12 tribes with the Jews. So in that case the Bible is talking only about one portion of GOd's people, namely, those who follow the Law as the New Testament says.

If the Bible says "house of Israel" that's not Jews but denizens of the northern Kingdom.  They were exiled, became as Gentiles and never yet returned to the land of Israel (en masse).

If the Bible says "children of Israel" it can refer to all 12 tribes.

So this was a good topic to bring up, so we can properly discern with truth who the Lord's Word is speaking about.  So next time you read a prophecy about the house of Israel, know that it does not mean the Jew. And this is especially true if the prophecy came after the return from the Babylonian captivity.  Why is that?  It's important since Israel is not in the historical picture since the Assyrian captivity that the prophecy must then refer to the end of the age which means... God is not done with His people as Romans 9-11 attests to.  This historical understanding blows away replacement theology and anyone who downplays the Return of the Lord Jesus Christ to something abstract.  For if those things (replacement/alternate end time beliefs) are true, then God's Word is a lot of bunk since those prophecies about Israel never happened. 

[Neighbor]

1 hour ago, DeighAnn said:

We don't all have Jewish roots.

Just adding to the conversation ( Hopefully).

I don't know who the "we" is; but I do have Jewish roots! I am grafted to them.

Without those roots I would be left a wild branch without life giving sustenance, without knowledge, without heritage. I would be left, without nourishment, to whither and die.

I am saved by the mercy and grace of God through Yeshua who  has been born (incarnated)  a Jew.

I am  called out from under God's just wrath by God the Holy Spirit  to my own awareness of Jesus being my Lord God and savior.  

I have been foreknown to God and predestined by Him, given to Jesus, whom loses not a one given to him by His Father.

In Yeshua there is no Jew, nor any Greek ( Gentile), as all that are called are one, all are called Christians. All Christians are of the circumcision of the heart.

 

 

[tim_from_pa]

6 minutes ago, Neighbor said:

Just adding to the conversation ( Hopefully).

I don't know who the "we" is; but I do have Jewish roots! I am grafted to them.

Without those roots I would be left a wild branch without life giving sustenance, without knowledge, without heritage. I would be left, without nourishment, to whither and die.

I am saved by the mercy and grace of God through Yeshua who  has been born (incarnated)  a Jew.

I am  called out from under God's just wrath by God the Holy Spirit  to my own awareness of Jesus being my Lord God and savior.  

I have been foreknown to God and predestined by Him, given to Jesus, whom loses not a one given to him by His Father.

In Yeshua there is no Jew, nor any Greek ( Gentile), as all that are called are one, all are called Christians. All Christians are of the circumcision of the heart.

 

 

Yes!  And to throw in a side note here, you may even have blood from those of the other exiles tribes.  So you may be a son of Abraham in more ways than you know.  But ALL sons of Abraham and the Gentiles need the saving grace of the Lord, something Israel originally did not have because as Paul stated, they did not mix it with faith.

[Retrobyter]

3 minutes ago, believeinHim said:

Interesting. I find if Jesus did not say it, We should not, either.  

Shalom, believeinHim.

That's a good attitude to take, but you should also include "whether Jesus WOULD say it if He needed to."

[George]

Jew comes from the word Yehuda or Judah.  It's not overly complicated.  The Southern Kingdom of "Judah" is where the Jewish people of today are from.  At the division of the nation after the days of Solomon, many from the 10 tribes of the north did not want to worship the false idol system set up by Rehoboam and they integrated with the Southern Kingdom of Judah.  So within the "Kingdom of Judah" were the remnants of all 12 tribes (actually 13 tribes) ... 

Yehuda simply means Praise.

So it's not a negative word, as some may suppose.

God bless,

George

[DeighAnn]

5 hours ago, kwikphilly said:

Not being sarcastic but I don't believe Gods Word really uses the word Christian either- I Believe it was first used in Antioch by Agrippa to Paul( Book of Acts,) & maybe once by Peter?.....

So there's lots of words never mentioned in the Bible,language has certainly changed from the time the Ancient Hebrew was translated into English and Koine Greek into Latin & into English etc ....

I think I'm probably missing your point...?Help me to understand your question

With love in Christ, Kwik

I give up, I'm sorry, I don't know how.  But, after many attempts, I have settled on these.  Don't know if they will help much but it isn't from a lack of trying.  

Do you think using the word Jewish is just another way to keep ALL Israel hidden like ALL were blinded, to keep the 'church' separate for the pre trib rapture theory?  
or
Why are we using words in ways God didn't use them and why are we NOT using the ones He did? 



 

[DeighAnn]

5 hours ago, Deborah_ said:

But in the Bible itself we have this same "confusion". In the Old Testament, "Israel" is often used to describe both Israel and Judah. The kingdom of Judah was never just the tribe of Judah; it always included the tribe of Benjamin, a quarter of the tribe of Levi, and an unknown number of the other tribes who moved to Judah after the kingdom was divided (II Chronicles 11:16,17). After the exile (when there was no longer a kingdom), all surviving Israelites (no matter what their tribal origins were) became known as "Jews" (because the vast majority had been citizens of the kingdom of Judah, even if their ancestors had been from the northern tribes). So in the new Testament, "the Jews" includes people like Anna, who was from the tribe of Asher (Luke 2:36).

It may irritate those of us who like strict logical definitions, but the fact is that ever since the Exile (500 years or so before Christ), the word "Jew" has been applied to all the descendants of Jacob. 

Maybe that is the problem.  I truly use the terms written to figure out who is being spoken to so that I am rightly dividing the words of God.  So when I read House of Israel, I understand we are speaking of the Northern tribes and what promises and dduties they are fulfilling, just like when I read the WHOLE house of Israel, I know is speaking to all the tribes. I don't understand how anyone could keep track of what is what, and who went where when and for what purpose without doing so.   So, any conversation that has anything to do with it requires a defining of terms and a history lesson which results in no forward movement or building of any kind.

I believe you may be right, it may just irritate those who like strict logical definitions.  I just wish that included all Christians.   

 

[DeighAnn]

5 hours ago, Neighbor said:

Just adding to the conversation ( Hopefully).

I don't know who the "we" is; but I do have Jewish roots! I am grafted to them.

Without those roots I would be left a wild branch without life giving sustenance, without knowledge, without heritage. I would be left, without nourishment, to whither and die.

I am saved by the mercy and grace of God through Yeshua who  has been born (incarnated)  a Jew.

I am  called out from under God's just wrath by God the Holy Spirit  to my own awareness of Jesus being my Lord God and savior.  

I have been foreknown to God and predestined by Him, given to Jesus, whom loses not a one given to him by His Father.

In Yeshua there is no Jew, nor any Greek ( Gentile), as all that are called are one, all are called Christians. All Christians are of the circumcision of the heart.

 

 

I guess I am looking at it in more of a prophecy mode and what it is doing to the wisdom and knowledge along those lines less of the salvation angle because you are right from that point of view it doesn't really matter.  But if a Christian doesn't understand the history, how can he rightly divide the present and the future?  But thank you, I understand what you are saying. 

[Your closest friendnt]

7 hours ago, kwikphilly said:

Not being sarcastic but I don't believe Gods Word really uses the word Christian either- I Believe it was first used in Antioch by Agrippa to Paul( Book of Acts,) & maybe once by Peter?.....

So there's lots of words never mentioned in the Bible,language has certainly changed from the time the Ancient Hebrew was translated into English and Koine Greek into Latin & into English etc ....

I think I'm probably missing your point...?Help me to understand your question

With love in Christ, Kwik

Many of the Jews believed in Jesus Christ but how can one tell the Jews who had believe in Jesus and those who did not believe...the same situation existed with the Galileans who believed in Jesus and those who did not believe or they were following the old...

To the strangers they all looked the same they cannot tell one of the other by just looking at them. 

But then the time came for the pilgrims to go off to Jerusalem for the religious Holidays...and the strangers and the nominal Jews or Galileans pointed to some groups of Jewish discend or Galilean discend who were not interested to make the trip to Jerusalem and they wondering why (?)...

So the answer was at first that they are Jews or Galileans from a different persuasion than the traditional one...and as they identified themselves in the faith of Jesus Christ and the Atonement of Jesus Christ as the Lamb of God for the forgiveness of their sins...

The nominal Jews to protect their integrity they separated them selves from them and they call them Christians...

That they were Jews and or Galileans who intensify with them in the looks and they way they dressed and in the accent of speach and even in the way of preparing their foods..

So to tell the difference between them and the new order of the Jews who were not following their religious traditions...and to warn people from being fool by their looks and avoid to go to their meetings ...they called them by some derogatory terms meaning that they were cut off from their traditional faith of their Fathers...certainly they could not call them "Idolaters" or "Samaritans" but they called them "Christians" a term giving a warning as the term "Samaritans" to warn people that those people were cut off from the Temple of God in Jerusalem...and the Atonement and other religious celebrations that took place there...like the four mandatory presentation before the Lord each year...

It meant to be a term to warn the nominal Jews and or Galatians that they are looking like a Jew or a Galilean and they speak like them and they come from families who were traditional Jewish or Galileans but themselves has abandoned the Covenant of Sinai and do not follow the teachings of Moses and have trade them for the teachings of Jesus Christ their claimed Messiah of God...they prozected them as being cut off from the Law and the people of God and the community of the traditional people who keep the Law...not abiding on the worships on the Temple..headed by the High Priest...

I tried my best... hope I did drive the point to where it had to go...

They look like a duck they sound like a duck they lay eggs like a duck but their offsprings they do not look like the other ducklings...they are a new breed of Ducklings...telling that their parents had the appearance of the ducts and the speech and the manner but they were not like the other ducks...a new breed of bird was under the appearance of the Duck. 

Calling them Christians denotes that they were a mix breed much like the Samaritans but not in the blood but in what they believe in the blood of their Atonement for the forgiveness of their sins.