Revelation 11:18

[Revelation Man]

4 hours ago, Keras said:

The 7 Seals, 7 Trumpets and 7 Bowls, are all separate events, which will happen in the order given in Revelation.   Proved by the 7th Bowl being Armageddon; Revelation 16:12-18

The 7 Seals OPEN the scroll, Jesus is Prophesying what the Judgment Trumps will bring forth when they are finally opened up. Seals 1-5 is Jesus prophesying about the soon to come Anti-Christs 42 month rule on earth, he will in short order 1.) Conquer 2.) Bring Wars by taking away the peace. 3.) His rule, dictates and wars create 42 months of Famine. 4.) The tyrants rule brings Death, Sickness and the Grave over a 42 month period. 5.) He will Martyr those Gentiles who come to Christ during his 42 month rule, he can't get at the Jews who repented, God is protecting them in the Petra and Bozrah region (Rev. 7 they Flee Judea JUST BEFORE the 1260 middle of the week Asteroid event strikes) for 1260 days.

Seal #6 is Jesus Prophesying what brings God's Wrath and thus allows the Ant-Christ to go forth conquering, it will be an Asteroid Impact (Wrath of God) or Mountain cast into the Sea, and the end thereof will CAUSE the Sun and Moon to darken just as happens in Trumpet #4, so Jesus is merely prophesying what God's Wrath will bring when it hits, very, very soon . 

Thus Seal #7 is seen where? Over in Rev. 8 where the Trumps start blowing !! Elementary my dear Watson. Why is there SILENCE in Heaven? Because its not a joyous occasion, with a heavy heart the angels and all hosts of heaven have to kill off billions of wicked men, it breaks their hearts. Now, if one is intelligent enough to follow this they can see why I say Rev. 7 is simply the Jews Fleeing Judea JUST BEFORE the Wrath of God falls. 

As per the Vials, try reading Rev. 8:13, it states EMPHATICALY, that the Last Three Woes will only come when the Three Remaining Trumps Sound !! Go read it. Thus Trump #5 is the First Woe, Trump #6 is the 2nd Woe and Trump #7 is the Third Woe, and thus the only Woe left after the 2nd Woe is the 7 Vials, thus the 7 Vials wrap up God's Wrath, via the 7th Trump. The 7th Trump brins the 3rd Woe which is all 7 Vials. 

I am just way ahead of you and you have a problem listening to those in the know, not my fault, I witnessed these truths unto you and you refused to receive them. So, when you get to heaven don't ask God why He didn't show you, He is showing you. 

Edited February 12, 2023 by Revelation Man

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12 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

But they are. 

I don't see any indication that the 7 vials are contained it the 7th trumpet, Rev 11:18.

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I see that the seals and trumpets are one timeline that ends at the 7th trumpet. 

Then the Rev 12 woman timeline begins, then chs. 13, 14, before the vials in 15-16.

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Each of the chapters before the vials has their  own timelines that begin and end in each chapter.

The Rev 12 woman begins with the woman waiting to be delivered and ends when her time in the wilderness of the gentile nations is ended.

Rev 13, begins with the beast rising out of the sea and ends when the 42 months has ended.

The Rev 14 timeline begins with the 1st harvest and ends with the wine press being trampled outside the city.

Then the Rev 15-16 timeline begins with the 1st vial, after the scene in Rev 15, and ends when the 7th vial is poured out, indicating that men are able to enter into the temple, Rev 15:8.

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In all this I see no reason to indicate that the vials can be inserted into the single point of the 7th trumpet wrath in Rev 11:18.

If what you are thinking would be true, that the vials are contained in the Rev 11:18 wrath, then why wouldn't the vials be inserted into the 7th trumpet narrative? 

I mean that when the 7th trumpet was blown, and the Rev 11:18 wrath was poured out, why wouldn't the vials be shown there, instead of later on, and having their own timeline?

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For me, it makes more sense to have the trumpets and vials be in parallel timelines, where they happen at the same time, but to different subjects.

The trumpets to be about unbelieving flesh Israel, and the vials against the beast nation.

First 4 trumpets and 4 vials, earth, sea, fountains, heavens.  

5th trumpet and 5th vial, the beast returns to the seat of the beast, (Rome).

*6th trumpet and 6th vial, the Euphrates River.

7th trumpet and 7th vial, the earthquake, the resurrection, and the judgment, followed by the revealing of the Ark (7th trumpet) and being able for men to enter the temple.

This would make the wrath of Rev 11:18, also the earthquake of the 7th vial.

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On 2/9/2023 at 11:31 PM, Revelation Man said:

Yes, its 4 "Leaders" leading the complete hosts of heaven,

Thank you for your input into this matter of the 4 angels of the 6th trumpet.

This is something that I have thought about for a long time.

I'm going to agree with you about, that they are the leaders, motivators, spirits, that are behind the 6th trumpet armies. The scripture cannot be broken, Rev 9:18, they kill 1/3 of mankind.

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But I still must disagree about the armies that they are the leaders of.

It says that the armies are men, horsemen, Rev 9:16. 

If symbolic, then I think of the 4 horsemen of the first 4 seals. 

If literal men, with symbolic attributes, as the description of the horses indicates, then they are literal armies of men that kill.

We know that there are not 200 mill horses on planet earth. So the thought that the horses are literal, for the near future, cannot be true.

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What I want you to consider is this, that the 6th trumpet has blown (9-11-01) and the armies of the 6th trumpet are headed for Jerusalem.

Literal men, symbolic horses powers, led by spirits 4 angels, against the unbelieving children of Israel in restored Jerusalem.

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I know that you are pretrib, but please consider, again, that the seals/trumpets timeline begins in 37 AD when Israel rejects the gospel kingdom. 

Then the 6th seal is the 70 AD destruction of Jerusalem and the temple, Rev 6:16 & Lk 23:30 confirming this. 

Followed by the trumpets, all wrath against the unbelieving children of Israel.

I say this because the armies of the 6th trumpet are assembling and intend to consume Jerusalem, before our eyes.

Maybe it cannot be reasoned out by many at this time, but as the time draws closer, it will be understood.

(Hint, Rev 4:1, literally, shows only John, being taken up to heaven. it is NOT the resur/rapt.)

 

On 2/9/2023 at 11:31 PM, Revelation Man said:

a Myriad is 10,000 x 10,000 here we get two Myriads, but in essence this is just saying there will be four angels leading this attack, like Michael, Gabriel were lead messengers, these four are appointed to lead an attack in that region of the earth via the whole or complete hosts of angels from heaven. 

4 Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates.

15 And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.

16 And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.

The four are leading 200 Million which I say is merely God using numbers to say the complete number thereof (its like God is saying I will not give out my secrets to men nor Satan, it is for Me alone to know) that I assign to wipe these wicked men out.

It doesn't matter what who thinks what, all that matters is who is correct, in reality, my calling for 37 years has been Prophecy, and I also know when the Holy Spirit affirms these things, I went 30 plus years without the answers on this, which mean I wait upon the Lords truths, I do not just guess. The number 12 = Fulness and the number 10 = Completion  so 12 x 12 x 10 x 10 x 10 = 144,000 and That is the CODE !! Also, Zech. 13:8-9 confirms my numbers, it says 1/3 of the Jews repent, there are 10 million Jews living in Israel right now and 15 million living worldwide, my guess is most will eventually move to Israel, but I hedge that with the current numbers, thus 1/3 is 3.5 (rounding up from 3.3333) to 5 million Jews who comes to Christ unless Zechariah got it wrong (Smile).  So I don't just guess I put all the mosaic together. Its what I do.

Not quite, Demons are spirits, the have been disembodied, Angels have bodies my friend. Remember, the Sodomites wanted to have sex with the angels, Daniel saw Gabriel etc. etc. John saw them on horses just like he saw Jesus on a White horse, its was symbolic of a great battle at John's time. The White horse also symbolizes victory.

The Trumpets and Vials indeed run consecutive or in a liner mode, they have to be because the 7 Vials are the 3rd Woe which comes from the 7th Trump. But the book of Revelation is not anywhere near linear. Rev. 2-3 is the Church Age, then 4-9 AND 15&16 are linear. Everything else happens within chapters 8,9 and 16, save 20, 21 and 22 which is after the 70th week of course.

Demons are allowed to go forth in Woe #1, but they can't KILL, only maim. The very next Woe is an Angel horde who are allowed to kill, but they kill only those with the Mark of the Beast. Now put it together brother (I just got this in full tbh) why would Demon spirts be allowed to main and hurt men for 5 months? Because its a part of Satan's tactics and God testing the unsaved, will they take the Mark of the Beast when push comes to shove? Or will they die as Martyrs? NOTICE, as soon as the 1st Woe ends the Angels start killing those who have the Mark of the Beast !! Satan can not cast out Satan. Those being harmed in the first Woe are not of Satan nor God as per their allegiance, but in the 2nd Woe the Angels kill off all of those who have taken the Mark of the Beast. See how and why that kind of goes together? I still say Satan will not kill Satan, but he would torment men who had not yet taken the Mark of the Beast.

19 For their power is in their mouth, and in their tails: for their tails were like unto serpents, and had heads, and with them they do hurt.

John is seeing Angels kill men with the Mark of the Beast. They speak victory/Judgment with their mouths, but their tails bring judgment, its just a metaphoric explanation, comparing the judgments to a serpents sting. These are Angels, Demon will not kill people with the Mark of the Beast, Jesus told us Satan can not cast out Satan. He is not going to fight himself. My guess is Angels had tails that delivered death as it hit these people, thus John described it is a Serpents tail, but serpents do not kill with their tails anyway, he just described it as best he could. 

200 Million Angels OR the Complete number thereof it takes for the job.

 

 

Edited February 12, 2023 by abcdef

[Keras]

12 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

I am just way ahead of you and you have a problem listening to those in the know, not my fault, I witnessed these truths unto you and you refused to receive them. So, when you get to heaven don't ask God why He didn't show you, He is showing you. 

I reject most of your unsupported assertions. The great and terrible day of the Lord's fiery wrath; the Sixth Seal worldwide disaster, will set the scene for all the rest of the Prophesied end time events. 

As for heaven, thanks for saying that I as a faithful Christian, will go there. However from my careful study of all scripture, I know that nobody goes to heaven, but after all of God's Plans for mankind have taken place, God and therefore heaven comes to us; on earth. Revelation 21:1-7

[Revelation Man]

11 hours ago, abcdef said:

I don't see any indication that the 7 vials are contained it the 7th trumpet, Rev 11:18.

Its just COMMEN SENSE, Rev. 8:13 says the last three Woes are brought forth by Three Trumps yet to sound.

Rev. 8:13 And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!

Let my translate this for you, the Three Woes will come from the Three Trumps which have not yet sounded. 

So, Woe #1 comes from the 5th Trump, Woe #2 comes from the 6th Trump and Woe #3 comes from the 7th Trump. If  you can't add up that the 3rd Woe is the 7 Vials then that's on you. Its pretty basic stuff tbh. Everyone knows this, its simple math.

11 hours ago, abcdef said:

Then the Rev 12 woman timeline begins, then chs. 13, 14, before the vials in 15-16.

Her timeline begins when she Flees Judea, not in a chapter that RETELLS the SPECIFICS of her fleeing Judea. The Rev. 7 chapter is just like the Woman in Rev. 12, a CODE for All Israel who repent, so you can understand the Rev 12 code but you refuse to accept the Rev. 7 code. Again, that's on you, God can not force us to see these thigs brother. Until one understands that the Seals are NOT JUDGMENTS they will never be able to see the bigger picture, the Seals are Jesus FOREWARNING the Church in Heaven what is about to come as soon as the 7th Seal is opened the Judgments will fall. So, he is saying this basically, "Hey, over in Rev. 8, my judgments start falling" which means what? The 1260 only arrives at the Rev. 8 chapter, where the Asteroid/Mountain is cast into the Sea, thus God's Wrath falls in Rev. 8, this is why the heavens are so silent/somber. Thus...only now that we understand this can we finally SEE Rev. 7 for what it is, the Jews fleeing at the 1290 AoD just before the Anti-Christ is allowed to go forth conquering at the 1260 Event. This is how one wrong turn leads to many errors.

Rev. 12, 13, 17 and 18 all have the exact same kicking off point, they begin with the Rev. 8 Asteroid Impact (God's Wrath) which lasts for 1260 days. Let me show you how 1260m is important in those other chapters also. 

How long does the Dragon chase the Woman in Rev. 12? 1260 days. How long does the Anti-Christ rule in Rev. 13?  For 1260 days. How long is Babylon's (the Whole World's) Judgment? 1260 days. How long does it say the 12 Kings rule with the Beast in Rev. 17? For ONE HOUR, or a short time, which means 1260 days. 

How long is the Two-witnesses Ministry? Well since they show up to get Israel to repent BEFORE the DOTL arrives, at the 1335, which is 75 days before the 1260, that means they MUST DIE before the Beast dies at the 7th Vial, do they? Yes, the die at the end of the 2nd Woe. Thus Rev. 7 runs for 1335 days, but only 1260 days is their Ministry, but as soon as they PRAY DOWN the 7th Trump which is the soon to come 3rd Woe in Rev. 11 we are told of God's SOON TO COME Victory. We are not given the details, that comes in Rev. 16. Thus Rev. 11 is a Parenthetical Citation Chapter.

When you get to heaven brother and see I knew all of this, you are going to bang your head, God gave me this info and I refused to see it, now its too late to help the confused !! (SMILE...Get with it brother, I am nit steering you wrong).

 

11 hours ago, abcdef said:

Each of the chapters before the vials has their  own timelines that begin and end in each chapter.

The Rev 12 woman begins with the woman waiting to be delivered and ends when her time in the wilderness of the gentile nations is ended.

Rev 13, begins with the beast rising out of the sea and ends when the 42 months has ended.

The Rev 14 timeline begins with the 1st harvest and ends with the wine press being trampled outside the city.

Then the Rev 15-16 timeline begins with the 1st vial, after the scene in Rev 15, and ends when the 7th vial is poured out, indicating that men are able to enter into the temple, Rev 15:8.

This is just not true, its a falsehood, you do not w=quite get it s you are guessing or going along with something other men taught you long ago. As I stated, Rev. 12 and 13 are both about 1260 days. I WONDER WHY? 

Rev. 14 covers all 7 years in reality, we see the 144,000 (3.5-5 million Jews who repent) waiting on Mt. Zion for Jesus, but this is just prose telling us Jesus will set up his 1000 year Reign in Jerusalem with Israel (he Tabernacles with Israel or DWELLS) and thus he gathers the Wheat (Israel, wheat needs to be CRUSHED before it can be SIFTED, hence the Great Tribulation) into his Fathers barn. Then in Rev. 14:17-20 we see the Wicked Grapes placed into the Wine-press of God's Wrath. Finally in Rev. 14:14 we see a FLASHBACK to the Pre Trib Rapture where Jesus from upon a cloud Raptures his bride to heaven, we are the Barley Harvest, barley doesn't need to be crushed before it can be sifted. Thus Rev. 14 is The Harvest Chapter. Only Rev. 8, 9 an 16 have the ORIGINAL, REAL TIMELINES of the Great Tribulation period, the other chapters are all Parenthetical in nature, retelling those same TIMELINES via other thins going on at the exact same time. 

11 hours ago, abcdef said:

In all this I see no reason to indicate that the vials can be inserted into the single point of the 7th trumpet wrath in Rev 11:18.

If what you are thinking would be true, that the vials are contained in the Rev 11:18 wrath, then why wouldn't the vials be inserted into the 7th trumpet narrative? 

I mean that when the 7th trumpet was blown, and the Rev 11:18 wrath was poured out, why wouldn't the vials be shown there, instead of later on, and having their own timeline?

Look at Rev. 15 (this is why I say Rev. 15& 16 are ONE CHAPTER, in Rev. 8 we see the Trumps being readied to sound by the Angels then we see them sound in Rev. 8 also. We get the opposite in Rev. 15 and 16, we get two chapters, we see the Vials readied to be poured out in Rev. 15 AND poured out in Rev. 16, now lets see what Rev. 15 says.

Rev. 15:1 And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God.

That sound like the 7th Trump of God's Wrath? Of course it is. The 7 Trumps have ALL THE WRATH, that's why Rev. 10 speaks about the Seven Thunders which SOUND. The Seals only FORETELL what the 7 Trumps will bring. The 7 Vials finishes off that Wrath, and once the 7th Trump blows we know (Rev. 8:13) that the 3rd Woe begins but since we are never given the DETAILS of the 3rd Woe like we are in  Rev. 9 verses Woes #1 and #2 many people just do nit comprehend tat the 7 Vials are that Third Woe. God finishes His Wrath of with 7 Vials (Divine Completion). 

The 7 Vials are not inserted into the Rev. 11 narrative because it is a Parenthetical Chapter about the Two-witnesses 1260 day Ministry, nothing more, nothing less. REMEMBER, we are also told that the Two-witnesses die during the 2nd Woe BUT......we are not told anything about the 2nd Woe via the DETAILS are we? Likewise, we are told the 3rd We comes quickly, and the 7th Trump sounds, but like with the 2nd Woe we are given no DETAILS in Revelation chapter 11 because this is merely about the Two-witnesses, those DETAILS are given unto us in Rev. 16.

We get Jesus as seen in all his glory in Rev. 1. The Church Age in Rev. 2 & 3. The HEREAFTER in Rev. 4:1 to Rev. 19:20, but in between we get a God told narrative where he tells the STORY the  goes back and tells OTHER STORIES that happen at the exact same time. For instance if I wrote a story on a World Series game 7, and told it play by play, then another story about a man who had a heart attack during the 1st inning, and then another story about a concessions guy who was given a 50,000 dollar tip during the 5th inning, and then another story about a pregnant woman whose baby had to be birthed in the stadium, during the 9th inning because the baby came a month too early etc. etc. all of these STORIES happened during the game, they are Parenthetic Citation chapters if added to the original Baseball story UNLESS I write them into the original story line and say in the 9th inning Smith hits the ball AND the Pregnant woman  has a baby, that would be a bad storyline, people want to read about the 9th inning wining hit, so you tell the ballgame in one sequence, then about the other three incidences at the end of the story. Now you can write it either way, God wrote it this way, I shant argue with God (SMILE) Did that illustration show you how it was done? 

So, Rev. 4 & 5 is Jesus in Heaven with the Church BEFORE he ever opens the Seals. Then in Rev. 6 we see Jesus Prophesying about the soon to come Wrath via Seal #6 and about the Anti-Christs soon to come 42 months of rule via Seals #1-5. This is all linear.

Rev. 7 is then the Jews fleeing Judea as God SEALS THEM, the Two-witnesses get them to repent. (Still all Linear)

Rev. 8 sees the 7th Seal opened, thus Judgment can only now fall onto mankind, the Heavens are silent/somber. The Trumpet Judgments start sounding, the first four are One Asteroid Impact, The Fire comes in ahead of the Asteroid as it breaks up and drops to the earth burning trees etc. The 2nd Trump is THE IMPACT inro the Sea (Burning Mountain). The 3rd Trump is the FALLOUT or poisonous WORMWOOD, that comes from the impact of the asteroid. Whether its Sulfur something we have never even heard of matters not, it is toxic and poisons 1/3 of the fresh waters, which I say MUST be North and South America, any other fallout would poison everywhere it falls, nit just 1/3 of the fresh waters. I think the 1/3 FIRES/Tress, Waters poisoned is referring to the New World. The Fourth Trump darkens the skies by 1/3, the smoke can get up into the Jetstream and travel all around the whole world. 

We are still in a linear mode here.

Rev. 9 is still a linear mode also, we see the First Two Woes. 

Rev. 16 comes next (15&16 really) so, the story is still Linear, Gid has just shuffled the chapters up or it mistakenly got shuffled up, I think God did this on purpose, He wants us to have to study and pray hard to understand His Holy Word, especially His prophesies. 

 

EVERYTHING ELSE IS A PARENTHETICAL CITATION CHAPTER. Like the baseball Illustration. So, Rev. 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 17, 18 and Rev. 19 are all happening at the same time as Rev. 8, 9 and 16.

12 hours ago, abcdef said:

The trumpets to be about unbelieving flesh Israel, and the vials against the beast nation.

First 4 trumpets and 4 vials, earth, sea, fountains, heavens.  

5th trumpet and 5th vial, the beast returns to the seat of the beast, (Rome).

*6th trumpet and 6th vial, the Euphrates River.

7th trumpet and 7th vial, the earthquake, the resurrection, and the judgment, followed by the revealing of the Ark (7th trumpet) and being able for men to enter the temple.

This would make the wrath of Rev 11:18, also the earthquake of the 7th vial.

For the most part this is just God judgments getting worse and worse as the go. The Euphrates River is not spoken of in the same manner anyway. In the 2nd Woe we see 200 Million Angels killing those with the Mark of the Beast. In Rev. 16, the 3rd Woe, we see the Euphrates as being drained, but its just used as a metaphor for God STOPING His Plagues for a short time in order to get the cowards out of their caves so Satan/Beast/F.P. can entice them to go fight at Armageddon. I think once the Two-witnesses die, they celebrate, and think to themselves "now we can go get those Jews and do away with them once and for all" but only after God DRIES UP His plagues (Euphrates) and allows them to think, yea we can win now. 

 

11 hours ago, abcdef said:

For me, it makes more sense to have the trumpets and vials be in parallel timelines, where they happen at the same time, but to different subjects.

But that is not how God wrote it brother. When we overcome seeing the Seals as Judgments, then Seal #6 doesn't happen at the exact same time as Trump #4 IT IS Trump #4 as foretold by Jesus via a Prophetic Utterance. See my point, so many people see Judgments repeating, but only because the do not understand the Seals are not Judgments but Prophetic Utterings by Jesus, just like Joel 2:31 was a prophetic uttering, the REAL EVENT happens via Trump #4. 

God Bless

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7 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Its just COMMEN SENSE, Rev. 8:13 says the last three Woes are brought forth by Three Trumps yet to sound.

Rev. 8:13 And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!

Let my translate this for you, the Three Woes will come from the Three Trumps which have not yet sounded. 

So, Woe #1 comes from the 5th Trump, Woe #2 comes from the 6th Trump and Woe #3 comes from the 7th Trump. If  you can't add up that the 3rd Woe is the 7 Vials then that's on you. Its pretty basic stuff tbh. Everyone knows this, its simple math.

Her timeline begins when she Flees Judea, not in a chapter that RETELLS the SPECIFICS of her fleeing Judea. The Rev. 7 chapter is just like the Woman in Rev. 12, a CODE for All Israel who repent, so you can understand the Rev 12 code but you refuse to accept the Rev. 7 code. Again, that's on you, God can not force us to see these thigs brother. Until one understands that the Seals are NOT JUDGMENTS they will never be able to see the bigger picture, the Seals are Jesus FOREWARNING the Church in Heaven what is about to come as soon as the 7th Seal is opened the Judgments will fall. So, he is saying this basically, "Hey, over in Rev. 8, my judgments start falling" which means what? The 1260 only arrives at the Rev. 8 chapter, where the Asteroid/Mountain is cast into the Sea, thus God's Wrath falls in Rev. 8, this is why the heavens are so silent/somber. Thus...only now that we understand this can we finally SEE Rev. 7 for what it is, the Jews fleeing at the 1290 AoD just before the Anti-Christ is allowed to go forth conquering at the 1260 Event. This is how one wrong turn leads to many errors.

Rev. 12, 13, 17 and 18 all have the exact same kicking off point, they begin with the Rev. 8 Asteroid Impact (God's Wrath) which lasts for 1260 days. Let me show you how 1260m is important in those other chapters also. 

How long does the Dragon chase the Woman in Rev. 12? 1260 days. How long does the Anti-Christ rule in Rev. 13?  For 1260 days. How long is Babylon's (the Whole World's) Judgment? 1260 days. How long does it say the 12 Kings rule with the Beast in Rev. 17? For ONE HOUR, or a short time, which means 1260 days. 

How long is the Two-witnesses Ministry? Well since they show up to get Israel to repent BEFORE the DOTL arrives, at the 1335, which is 75 days before the 1260, that means they MUST DIE before the Beast dies at the 7th Vial, do they? Yes, the die at the end of the 2nd Woe. Thus Rev. 7 runs for 1335 days, but only 1260 days is their Ministry, but as soon as they PRAY DOWN the 7th Trump which is the soon to come 3rd Woe in Rev. 11 we are told of God's SOON TO COME Victory. We are not given the details, that comes in Rev. 16. Thus Rev. 11 is a Parenthetical Citation Chapter.

When you get to heaven brother and see I knew all of this, you are going to bang your head, God gave me this info and I refused to see it, now its too late to help the confused !! (SMILE...Get with it brother, I am nit steering you wrong).

 

This is just not true, its a falsehood, you do not w=quite get it s you are guessing or going along with something other men taught you long ago. As I stated, Rev. 12 and 13 are both about 1260 days. I WONDER WHY? 

Rev. 14 covers all 7 years in reality, we see the 144,000 (3.5-5 million Jews who repent) waiting on Mt. Zion for Jesus, but this is just prose telling us Jesus will set up his 1000 year Reign in Jerusalem with Israel (he Tabernacles with Israel or DWELLS) and thus he gathers the Wheat (Israel, wheat needs to be CRUSHED before it can be SIFTED, hence the Great Tribulation) into his Fathers barn. Then in Rev. 14:17-20 we see the Wicked Grapes placed into the Wine-press of God's Wrath. Finally in Rev. 14:14 we see a FLASHBACK to the Pre Trib Rapture where Jesus from upon a cloud Raptures his bride to heaven, we are the Barley Harvest, barley doesn't need to be crushed before it can be sifted. Thus Rev. 14 is The Harvest Chapter. Only Rev. 8, 9 an 16 have the ORIGINAL, REAL TIMELINES of the Great Tribulation period, the other chapters are all Parenthetical in nature, retelling those same TIMELINES via other thins going on at the exact same time. 

Look at Rev. 15 (this is why I say Rev. 15& 16 are ONE CHAPTER, in Rev. 8 we see the Trumps being readied to sound by the Angels then we see them sound in Rev. 8 also. We get the opposite in Rev. 15 and 16, we get two chapters, we see the Vials readied to be poured out in Rev. 15 AND poured out in Rev. 16, now lets see what Rev. 15 says.

Rev. 15:1 And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God.

That sound like the 7th Trump of God's Wrath? Of course it is. The 7 Trumps have ALL THE WRATH, that's why Rev. 10 speaks about the Seven Thunders which SOUND. The Seals only FORETELL what the 7 Trumps will bring. The 7 Vials finishes off that Wrath, and once the 7th Trump blows we know (Rev. 8:13) that the 3rd Woe begins but since we are never given the DETAILS of the 3rd Woe like we are in  Rev. 9 verses Woes #1 and #2 many people just do nit comprehend tat the 7 Vials are that Third Woe. God finishes His Wrath of with 7 Vials (Divine Completion). 

The 7 Vials are not inserted into the Rev. 11 narrative because it is a Parenthetical Chapter about the Two-witnesses 1260 day Ministry, nothing more, nothing less. REMEMBER, we are also told that the Two-witnesses die during the 2nd Woe BUT......we are not told anything about the 2nd Woe via the DETAILS are we? Likewise, we are told the 3rd We comes quickly, and the 7th Trump sounds, but like with the 2nd Woe we are given no DETAILS in Revelation chapter 11 because this is merely about the Two-witnesses, those DETAILS are given unto us in Rev. 16.

We get Jesus as seen in all his glory in Rev. 1. The Church Age in Rev. 2 & 3. The HEREAFTER in Rev. 4:1 to Rev. 19:20, but in between we get a God told narrative where he tells the STORY the  goes back and tells OTHER STORIES that happen at the exact same time. For instance if I wrote a story on a World Series game 7, and told it play by play, then another story about a man who had a heart attack during the 1st inning, and then another story about a concessions guy who was given a 50,000 dollar tip during the 5th inning, and then another story about a pregnant woman whose baby had to be birthed in the stadium, during the 9th inning because the baby came a month too early etc. etc. all of these STORIES happened during the game, they are Parenthetic Citation chapters if added to the original Baseball story UNLESS I write them into the original story line and say in the 9th inning Smith hits the ball AND the Pregnant woman  has a baby, that would be a bad storyline, people want to read about the 9th inning wining hit, so you tell the ballgame in one sequence, then about the other three incidences at the end of the story. Now you can write it either way, God wrote it this way, I shant argue with God (SMILE) Did that illustration show you how it was done? 

So, Rev. 4 & 5 is Jesus in Heaven with the Church BEFORE he ever opens the Seals. Then in Rev. 6 we see Jesus Prophesying about the soon to come Wrath via Seal #6 and about the Anti-Christs soon to come 42 months of rule via Seals #1-5. This is all linear.

Rev. 7 is then the Jews fleeing Judea as God SEALS THEM, the Two-witnesses get them to repent. (Still all Linear)

Rev. 8 sees the 7th Seal opened, thus Judgment can only now fall onto mankind, the Heavens are silent/somber. The Trumpet Judgments start sounding, the first four are One Asteroid Impact, The Fire comes in ahead of the Asteroid as it breaks up and drops to the earth burning trees etc. The 2nd Trump is THE IMPACT inro the Sea (Burning Mountain). The 3rd Trump is the FALLOUT or poisonous WORMWOOD, that comes from the impact of the asteroid. Whether its Sulfur something we have never even heard of matters not, it is toxic and poisons 1/3 of the fresh waters, which I say MUST be North and South America, any other fallout would poison everywhere it falls, nit just 1/3 of the fresh waters. I think the 1/3 FIRES/Tress, Waters poisoned is referring to the New World. The Fourth Trump darkens the skies by 1/3, the smoke can get up into the Jetstream and travel all around the whole world. 

We are still in a linear mode here.

Rev. 9 is still a linear mode also, we see the First Two Woes. 

Rev. 16 comes next (15&16 really) so, the story is still Linear, Gid has just shuffled the chapters up or it mistakenly got shuffled up, I think God did this on purpose, He wants us to have to study and pray hard to understand His Holy Word, especially His prophesies. 

 

EVERYTHING ELSE IS A PARENTHETICAL CITATION CHAPTER. Like the baseball Illustration. So, Rev. 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 17, 18 and Rev. 19 are all happening at the same time as Rev. 8, 9 and 16.

For the most part this is just God judgments getting worse and worse as the go. The Euphrates River is not spoken of in the same manner anyway. In the 2nd Woe we see 200 Million Angels killing those with the Mark of the Beast. In Rev. 16, the 3rd Woe, we see the Euphrates as being drained, but its just used as a metaphor for God STOPING His Plagues for a short time in order to get the cowards out of their caves so Satan/Beast/F.P. can entice them to go fight at Armageddon. I think once the Two-witnesses die, they celebrate, and think to themselves "now we can go get those Jews and do away with them once and for all" but only after God DRIES UP His plagues (Euphrates) and allows them to think, yea we can win now. 

 

But that is not how God wrote it brother. When we overcome seeing the Seals as Judgments, then Seal #6 doesn't happen at the exact same time as Trump #4 IT IS Trump #4 as foretold by Jesus via a Prophetic Utterance. See my point, so many people see Judgments repeating, but only because the do not understand the Seals are not Judgments but Prophetic Utterings by Jesus, just like Joel 2:31 was a prophetic uttering, the REAL EVENT happens via Trump #4. 

God Bless

Thanks for your input.

Jerusalem is about to fall to Iran.

The armies of the 6th trumpet are attacking right now.

Israel will lose the battle of Armageddon.

3 1/2 days later is the resur/rapt and all human life on this planet ends in fire.

It is coming to pass right in front of you.

My time on this planet is short now, but you will still be able to read what I have said, I hope.

If you don't understand it, that is ok, we are saved by His grace.

 

[Keras]

4 hours ago, abcdef said:

Jerusalem is about to fall to Iran.

Why don't you actually read what the Bible Prophets say?  Try Isaiah 21:1-2, 22:1-14, then Jeremiah 49:35-37 and Ezekiel 32:24-25

[other one]

8 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

. You will still be n error on 97 percent of everything. 

We haven't even got to 50 posts yet....   it's way too early to be getting that tacky.

[George]

5 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

I don't care, tbh, what you reject or accept. It changes nothing. You will still be n error on 97 percent of everything. 

Let's be nice. 

[Revelation Man]

15 hours ago, other one said:

We haven't even got to 50 posts yet....   it's way too early to be getting that tacky.

This is just us, he knows I do not reply to him but maybe every 6 months on Eschatology/Prophecy. I was being real we disagree on about 95 percent of things, that's why I decided long ago just to not reply to him on those two boards. I know that 97 percent sounded like a dig, it wasn't, we have discussed this before, and why we are just wasting our time because we disagree so much on everything. So, that was mostly just a reminder, and he would probably agree, we disagree on about that much. No kidding. I bet he would say yes, Revelation Man is wrong on everything. Its just on Eschatology mind you, not on Faith, Repentance, Salvation, etc. etc. We just disagree broadly on Eschatology. He knows I am speaking about Eschatology, that is why I said when you get to heaven you will find out you were in error on these things, they have no effect on ones Salvation. 

 

God Bless

 

P.S. I have him on ignore on other sites fir reporting stuff like this, I noticed he replied 15 hours ago, then you came here 15 hours ago. I don't get reporting tbh, unless a guy is being vulgar or anti God/Jesus. We just truly disagree on Eschatology. It is what it is.

Edited February 14, 2023 by Revelation Man