If you see a person start a mass shooting and you carry a gun, what will you do ?

[Rick-Parker]

13 hours ago, Neighbor said:

I got my fourth Covid vaccine and  my flu shot together at the same time last Friday, one in each arm. And again I have had no adverse reaction.  Nah, guess I won't start such a thread-

Bah! Sorry, I won't start such a thread-

[Neighbor]

14 hours ago, Vine Abider said:

This has reminded me that I haven't done any target practice in awhile . . .  (that way I can get back to being able to say I can shoot better than all y'alls!)

He's back. Yes I am back with an additional comment, or two.

1,  Early Christians faced great persecution and violence. They did so without weaponry other than the Old Testament, the gospels, and the encouragement  of the few letters from Paul and a few apostles. Those Christians we know of suffered greatly in the flesh for their belief and their living their belief. Many continued to share from the Gospel of Jesus  while imprisoned, tortured, and even burned alive as torches for the amusement of Nero.

The victory of the gospel of Jesus is not to be found in an implement, a tool of death, a gun of any kind.

When one kills it is not for the gospel. It may be  for many a purpose, some justified but not for the gospel's sake. The gospel is not dependent upon law and order. It is truth  in spite of  lawlessness and disorder.

2, Target practice is not necessarily defensive training as bad guys are not likely to sit stationary and receive incoming rounds .

Read a summary  from Jeff Quinn on that issue found in the archives at https://www.gunblast.com/MakingtheShot.htm

Can you make the shot?

Odds are in a mass shooting you are at a great disadvantage and will lose the gun battle if there is one.

Best plan is to be ready for eternity before the battle, and not be seeking to learn it during the battle. Pray for one another pray, for enemies, as well as friends and brethren, do so long before any gun battle. Share of the gospel to the last that is within each of us.

And no I cannot make that shot. But I can  and do know my own eternity forward. I am secure in Jesus.

Rejoice in the certainty that is the gospel of our Lord and savior Yeshua.

[The_Patriot21]

14 minutes ago, Neighbor said:

He's back. Yes I am back with an additional comment, or two.

1,  Early Christians faced great persecution and violence. They did so without weaponry other than the Old Testament, the gospels, and the encouragement  of the few letters from Paul and a few apostles. Those Christians we know of suffered greatly in the flesh for their belief and their living their belief. Many continued to share from the Gospel of Jesus  while imprisoned, tortured, and even burned alive as torches for the amusement of Nero.

The victory of the gospel of Jesus is not to be found in an implement, a tool of death, a gun of any kind.

When one kills it is not for the gospel. It may be  for many a purpose, some justified but not for the gospel's sake. The gospel is not dependent upon law and order. It is truth  in spite of  lawlessness and disorder.

2, Target practice is not necessarily defensive training as bad guys are not likely to sit stationary and receive incoming rounds .

Read a summary  from Jeff Quinn on that issue found in the archives at https://www.gunblast.com/MakingtheShot.htm

Can you make the shot?

Odds are in a mass shooting you are at a great disadvantage and will lose the gun battle if there is one.

Best plan is to be ready for eternity before the battle, and not be seeking to learn it during the battle. Pray for one another pray, for enemies, as well as friends and brethren, do so long before any gun battle. Share of the gospel to the last that is within each of us.

And no I cannot make that shot. But I can  and do know my own eternity forward. I am secure in Jesus.

Rejoice in the certainty that is the gospel of our Lord and savior Yeshua.

Depends on the shooting...there's actually many many examples of mass shooters being stopped by a good guy with a gun.  In fact in many cases, they retreat or commit suicide once someone starts shooting back, so frequently it isn't the person shooting backs bullets that do it, though there's examples of that happening.

If memory serves during Obama's presidency there was a shooting in Colorado that the shooter committed suicide after being wounded by a armed security guard, and another in Texas where a member was able to get out of the church, obtain an AR from his home across the street and used it to eliminate the shooter.

The reason you don't hear about such incidents is two fold, one the media doesn't want the people to hear about good guys with guns.

And two, in most jurisdictions, you can't classify it as a mass shooting unless more then 3 people are shot, and in most cases, when theres someone there to shoot back, the death toll rarely gets that high.

But your right, simply shooting at a paper target isn't in and of itself training. It can be part of training, as it gets you comfortable with the gun and improves accuracy, but if one decides to carry they need to actually train, and not just in hitting moving targets, but in tactics, how to seek cover, shoot while moving, how to reload under pressure, etc. Etc.

[Dennis1209]

Final thoughts on this subject:

Carefully read 1 Samuel 23:11-13 if you will; it is a short read. Most are not given direct revelation from God for the outcome of free will choices in life-or-death situations. Satan, princes, powers, and thrones are presently the little gods of this world. The rain still falls on the just and unjust alike.

Omniscience knows the outcome for all possible free will decisions, and not necessarily predestination. I believe there is a random chance based on our choices. If one had been thirty seconds sooner or later, they would not have had a head-on car collision. The same can apply to gun and criminal encounters. God is omniscient and knows the beginning from the end.

Job is a prime example of bad things happening to good people. Job's innocent children were murdered by a whirlwind, along with his servants killed. God promised Job He would double everything that was removed from him. The Lord doubled all his cattle and possessions but only replaced Job's five children; He did not double them.

Long story short, I believe God doubled Job's children. Job's first five children were awaiting Job in paradise.

Romans 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

But I digress.

Are there any limitations on how devoted parents will protect their wives and children? Do you suppose any of the victims, in hindsight, wished they had the means to better protect their families and themselves on them at that critical moment in their lives (a pistol)? Or side airbags when they got t-boned in a car wreck.

When seconds count, the police are minutes away. In my case, when I needed them the most, they were forty minutes away.

Most times, when the police arrive at an active shooting scene, they do not immediately barge in to stop the massacre and save children and innocent lives. They also have families to go home to and need to assess the situation and formulate a plan. Several times the SCOTUS has ruled police have no duty to risk their lives to protect yours, and their department policies dictate their response and actions.

We are our first and only defense when we find our loved ones and ourselves faced with great bodily harm and death. What will your thoughts be when the guns are pointed at you and your loved ones when there is no place to run or duck for safety? A no-witness attitude has become more prevalent, so they are acquitted and do not go to prison.

As I mentioned, crime rates and atrocities will not decrease, and the causes (root problems) are intentionally not addressed. In most cases, the punishment does not fit the crime(s), plea bargained minimal sentencing, and release back to their criminal activity.

Carrying something on a person to immediately stop the threat is a personal choice. Threatening or attempting to take the life of a loved one or me is personal. If I did not have the means to level the playing field and could have, would I have any remorse and regrets?

 

 

[Marathoner]

On 3/18/2023 at 8:00 PM, Vine Abider said:

This has reminded me that I haven't done any target practice in awhile . . .  (that way I can get back to being able to say I can shoot better than all y'alls!)

I'm an excellent marksman. Neener-neener! 

Many moons ago (this was after the Army), I perfected the art of throwing projectiles. Many hours sitting in the forest bored out of my skull, tossing rocks at holes in rotten tree stumps, made me a crack-shot with stones and dirt clods. 

Yes sir, I could bean a possum trying to sneak into the henhouse from 25 yards. BOP!, and that possum was knocked out cold. Varmints! 

I was good at throwing sticks, too. I used 'em like one-way boomerangs: whiff-whiff-whiff-whiff-whiff-whiff-BOP! Down goes the varmint! 

One day, a team of determined teenagers couldn't catch a rogue rooster from the neighbor's farm (he was fast!). So there he was... mhm. I picked up a nice dirt clod and side-armed it...

BIFF! That wily rooster squawked once and plopped over unconscious in a shower of feathers. Ha! Back you go next door, varmint! 

[Neighbor]

On 3/19/2023 at 12:51 PM, The_Patriot21 said:

but if one decides to carry they need to actually train, and not just in hitting moving targets, but in tactics, how to seek cover, shoot while moving, how to reload under pressure, etc. Etc.

And it helps if you are not approaching 80 years old. LOL

BTW I have the NRA DVDs, plus their affiliated training on Philippine knife fighting too. But one has to keep up with a qualified trainer and facilities otherwise it is a rapidly degrading skillset.

Besides age has taken it's very heavy toll. And this seeing double probably doesn't help eh?  LOL!

 "How about a nice game of chess?"

[Who me]

On 3/18/2023 at 10:50 AM, R. Hartono said:

In this situation you don't simply fight criminal but are you trying to save innocent people. 

@Neighbor

How fast can you run?

Faster than the reaction time of a hyped up young man?

Faster than his reaction to seeing an older man running towards him?

Even if you got to him without being shot, could you over power him?

 

As I wrote, we all imagine ourselves as the hero.

The reality is we either run and hide or end up dead or dying.

[Neighbor]

1 hour ago, Who me said:

As I wrote, we all imagine ourselves as the hero.

The reality is we either run and hide or end up dead or dying.

Well unless one is  a bouncer protecting the entry  of a "gentleman's club" at Tampa, Fl.

[See the text story from FOX channel 13 Tampa news with some pictures, or look for videos of the news footage from CBS news online]

It is amazing what lunacy lurks about in this world today.

[R. Hartono]

On 3/18/2023 at 6:51 PM, Ogner said:

People don't care about me and it is mutual. 

 

Its difficult to find somebody who cares nowadays, just don't make it more difficult by becoming the same people who care not.

[Ogner]

21 hours ago, R. Hartono said:

Its difficult to find somebody who cares nowadays, just don't make it more difficult by becoming the same people who care not.

It is for such cases there is russian proverbial wisdom saying that "Don't tell me what I should do and I will not tell you where you need to go."