The 6th Seal

[FJK]

11 minutes ago, Biblican said:

Revelation is no different as visions are like dreams and the same rules of interpretation apply.

Sorry to but in to your fight, but:

I've wondered about the two witnesses myself and find I can make arguments in favor of them being two churches, two individuals that are mighty prophets, or even two rebellious (to the beast system) synagogues or other Jewish/Christian institutions.

But in each case, particularly in the two Churches since that is your view, how do their bodies lie dead in the street for all to see for three and a half days then come back to life and ascend to heaven?

This is one of the things that keeps me from fully understanding that prophecy.

[Revelation Man]

On 4/10/2023 at 11:42 AM, Biblican said:

You still do not understand how symbolism works in visions. You really can't unless you have had prophetic dreams yourself.

I started out in 1986 with a vision where the Lord in a BOOMING VOICE from the heavens tells me "The Man of Sin is here". So, basically God was revealing unto me in 1986 that the Anti-Christ was in the world.

As per symbolism, I understand more about symbolism than anyone you know or have ever met, you know why I say this? Because I understand the Book of Revelation (BoR) in full, every whit of it, and there is no other book that uses symbolism like the BoR. The difference is I also understand the symbolism of numbers. I understand the symbolism of a CLOSED SCROLL with 7 Seals in which the Scroll can not be read until all 7 Seals are taken off the Scroll, you and others think the 7 Seals are ACTIVE JUDGMENTS, they are not nor can they be, via that very symbolism you attest to understand. 

Do you understand the symbolism of the Church Age in Revelation chapters 2 and 3 ? We have the Church via the 'THINGS WHICH ARE" and the Hereafter via the 70th week which starts in Rev. 4:1 and John being called up is a SYMBOLISM of the Pre Trib Rapture of the Church. The 144,000 is a SYMBOLISM of all the Jews who repent just like the Woman in Rev. 12 is symbolism. In Rev. 4:4 we see those 24 Elders (symbolism of 1 Chronicles 24) siting at THE THRONE which is symbolized via Rev. 3:21 the overcomes will sit at God's Throne. We also see Rev. 4:4 shows us people with White Robes on, symbolized in Rev. 3:5 via those who overcome and die as Martyrs who are promised white robes. Then in Rev. 4:4 we see those have Gold Crowns, symbolized by those see in Rev. 2:10 who have on the Crowns of Life. So, the Church Age Saints are seen in Rev. 4:4 BEFORE the Seals are ever opened. I can go on and on and on, I know every symbol in the BoR do you? It seems not. 

 

On 4/10/2023 at 11:42 AM, Biblican said:

For example, if the two witnesses were just two individuals, then the word "Candlestick" would not be there.

Of course it would be there, the Two-witnesses are sent to turn Israel back unto God see Malachi 4:5-6. What do Candlesticks do? PROVIDE LIGHT !! What does the Holy Word do? PROVIDE LIGHT unto our souls. What is the Two-witnesses job, to bring the Gospel that sets souls free unto Jews only (Read Rev. 11:1-3 it says so). This is why the Two-witnesses are also called Candlesticks, a Witness testifies of Jesus/God, the Holy Word shines a LIGHT unto the soul. Psstt, SAME THING !! You just miss the symbolism.

On 4/10/2023 at 11:42 AM, Biblican said:

That designates them as churches or at least two representatives of churches according to the usage of the word in Revelation. Candlesticks are churches.

WRONG !! It does no such thing.

On 4/10/2023 at 11:42 AM, Biblican said:

From the dreams that the Lord has given to both myself and my husband, we have learned that if one of these clues is left out when relating the dream, the entire interpretation is affected. Revelation is no different as visions are like dreams and the same rules of interpretation apply. That is why there are so many misinterpretations of Revelation  because unless one has been given the gift of interpreting dreams then it really cannot be interpreted accurately. 

If what you were "given dreams and visions" of matches the holy word of God, great, that is how God works at times, but if not, do not forget, Satan can appear as an angel of light at times.

I understand the book of Revelation in full. Its over for me, no more guessing, or inquiry. I know what is coming and pretty much when. At least THE SEASON. (fall of 2025)

God Bless

Edited April 11, 2023 by Revelation Man

[Biblican]

On 4/10/2023 at 12:06 PM, FJK said:

Sorry to but in to your fight, but:

I've wondered about the two witnesses myself and find I can make arguments in favor of them being two churches, two individuals that are mighty prophets, or even two rebellious (to the beast system) synagogues or other Jewish/Christian institutions.

But in each case, particularly in the two Churches since that is your view, how do their bodies lie dead in the street for all to see for three and a half days then come back to life and ascend to heaven?

This is one of the things that keeps me from fully understanding that prophecy.

We know that because they are described as Candlesticks, they have to be churches with possibly two literal representatives. Symbolically what we are being shown is there will be a time when the gospel will no longer be permitted to be preached especially in Israel. They have been proposing a ban on it in Israel for the past thirty years but it has never been passed. If it ever does that surely is  sign we are on the edge of the fulfillment of this prophecy. The death of the witnesses represents the silencing of the gospel by the beast empire that has come into full control just prior to the rapture of the witnesses. While the two representatives may be literally killed, as there will be many martyrs at that time (as there are today) their deaths most likely are meant to show us that the gospel can no longer be preached openly.

We know when that happens there will be a supernatural continuation of the gospels spread by the angel Rev. 14:6. This could be in dreams and angelic appearances. Many Muslims are coming to Christ now because they are having dreams.

I hope this helps. Thanks for your interest.

[Biblican]

20 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

I started out in 1986 with a vision where the Lord in a BOOMING VOICE from the heavens tells me "The Man of Sin is here". So, basically God was revealing unto me in 1986 that the Anti-Christ was in the world.

As per symbolism, I understand more about symbolism than anyone you know or have ever met, you why I say this? Because I understand the Book of Revelation (BoR) in full, every whit of it, and there is not other book that uses symbolism like the BoR. The difference is I also understand the symbolism of numbers. I understand the symbolism of a CLOSED SCROLL with 7 Seals in which the Scroll can not be read until all 7 Seals are taken off the Scroll, you and others think the 7 Seals are ACTIVE JUDGMENTS, they are mot nor can b via that very symbolism you attest to understand. 

Do you understand the symbolism of the Church Age in Revelation chapters 2 and 3 ? We have the Church via the 'THINGS WHICH ARE" and the Hereafter via the 70th week which starts in Rev. 4:1 and John being called up is a SYMBOLISM of the Pre Trib Rapture of the Church. The 144,000 is a SYMBOLISM of all the Jews who repent just like the Woman in Rev. 12 is symbolism. In Rev. 4:4 we see those 24 Elders (symbolism of 1 Chronicles 24) siting at THE THRONE which is symbolized via Rev. 3:21 the overcomes will sit at God's Throne. We also see Rev. 4:4 shows us people with White Robes on, symbolized in Rev. 3:5 via those who overcome and die as Martyrs. Then in Rev. 4:4 we see those have Gold Crowns, symbolized by those see in Rev. 2:10 who have on the Crowns of Life. So, the Church Age Saints are seen in Rev. 4:4 BEFORE the Seals are ever opened. I can go on and on and on, I know every symbol in the BoR do you? It seems not. 

 

You understand the book of Revelation as you have interpreted it. It may or not be correct. I already explained what the seals represent and they are not active judgments which shows me you haven't been paying attention. The first four seals represent the persecutors of the church, the fifth seal the martyrs and the six seal their future vindication. The seventh seal is a picture of the church, the remnant 144,000 that are sealed for their protection and the overcoming church that goes through the tribulation. Again, because of the symbolism of Manasseh replacing Dan we are being told that the 144,000 are not only Jews. You can't ignore this symbolism because it is crucial to the interpretation. if it was meant to show us that they are all Jews, all twelve tribes would be represented and Dan would not be missing.

The seven churches represent the spiritual conditions of the church in every age cumulating to the last generation before Jesus returns. All spiritual conditions can operate in one church. The great lesson from that is that only Philadelphia is promised to be protected. The rest of the church goes through the tribulation unless they repent of their errors. This is very important to understand this principle because many Christians will be left behind if they don't repent.

Of course John is being shown a picture of the overcoming church in Rev. 4. Those before the thrown are the patriarchs and the founding apostles. John would be seeing himself among them.

[Biblican]

20 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Of course it would be there, the Two-witnesses are sent to turn Israel back unto God see Malachi 4:5-6. What do Candlesticks do? PROVIDE LIGHT !! What does the Holy Word do? PROVIDE LIGHT unto our souls. What is the Two-witnesses job, to bring the Gospel that sets souls free unto Jews only (Read Rev. 11:1-3 it says so). This is why the Two-witnesses are also called Candlesticks, a Witness testifies of Jesus/God, the Holy Word shines a LIGHT unto the soul. Psstt, SAME THING !! You just miss the symbolism.

John was shown specifically from the Lord that Candlesticks represent churches in Revelation 1:20. You are ignoring the meaning and changing it because you did not understand the symbolism.

[Biblican]

20 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

WRONG !! It does no such thing.

We will have to agree to disagree.

[WilliamL]

On 3/25/2023 at 11:38 AM, DeighAnn said:

BEFORE THE DAY OF THE LORD the moon becomes as blood.  

If the moon is as blood in the 6th Seal, and the moon is as blood BEFORE THE DAY OF THE LORD,

THEN how can the LORD COME IN THE 6TH SEAL?  

It's not that hard to understand: the heavenly signs immediately precede the Parousia of the Lord. Both take place during the 6th Seal.

[DeighAnn]

17 minutes ago, WilliamL said:

It's not that hard to understand: the heavenly signs immediately precede the Parousia of the Lord. Both take place during the 6th Seal.

To UNDERSTAND, NOT AT ALL

but to BELIEVE what is WRITTEN over what man thinks?  THAT seems to be very very hard indeed.  

Why exactly WOULD GOD tell us SATANS number is 666, and then send CHRIST IN THE 6TH?? 

The souls under the altar (5TH) are told to WAIT a short season, THE NEXT SEASON, would be when their FELLOW SERVANTS would be killed as they were, CORRECT? 

That would be the 6th seal, correct?   

So WHAT is CHRIST doing coming BEFORE SATAN?   Christ isn't KILLING THEIR FELLOW SERVANTS, IS HE?

Makes no sense ON ANY LEVEL, EXCEPT, of course 'the doctrine one'.   


14And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

 

They ALSO precede the coming of Satan and the angels. 


WHEN it says BEFORE, and ONE CHOSES not to believe that, well, that is up to them. 

BUT teaching it??,

SUN putting on SACKCLOTH (EXACT SAME AS THE TWO WITNESSES) MOON TO BLOOD COMES

BEFORE 

just like it is written.  I BELIEVE what is written to be EXACTLY what GOD MEANS, without question.  If it says BEFORE, BEFORE IT IS.  There is no explanation ON GODS GREEN EARTH that would allow me to believe anything else.  Then again, I never went to 'school' to learn the bible.  

"The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:" Acts 2:20 KJV

"The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come." Joel 2:31 KJV

"And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;" Revelation 6:12 KJV


What ELSE comes BEFORE the great day of the LORD???

8And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

9Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

BELIEVE WHAT IS WRITTEN or DON'T.    I just have to stand on the wall and warn.  WARNING GIVEN.  


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"And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise." Revelation 8:12 KJV

"Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:" Matthew 24:29 KJV


"And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;" Luke 21:25 KJV




"Moreover the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold, as the light of seven days, in the day that the LORD bindeth up the breach of his people, and healeth the stroke of their wound." Isaiah 30:26 KJV



"The sun and the moon shall be darkened, and the stars shall withdraw their shining." Joel 3:15 KJV


"Saying, When will the new moon be gone, that we may sell corn? and the sabbath, that we may set forth wheat, making the ephah small, and the shekel great, and falsifying the balances by deceit?" Amos 8:5 KJV
 

1For, behold, in those days, and in that time, when I shall bring again the captivity of Judah and Jerusalem,

2I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land.

3And they have cast lots for my people; and have given a boy for an harlot, and sold a girl for wine, that they might drink.

4Yea, and what have ye to do with me, O Tyre, and Zidon, and all the coasts of Palestine? will ye render me a recompence? and if ye recompense me, swiftly and speedily will I return your recompence upon your own head;

5Because ye have taken my silver and my gold, and have carried into your temples my goodly pleasant things:

6The children also of Judah and the children of Jerusalem have ye sold unto the Grecians, that ye might remove them far from their border.

7Behold, I will raise them out of the place whither ye have sold them, and will return your recompence upon your own head:

8And I will sell your sons and your daughters into the hand of the children of Judah, and they shall sell them to the Sabeans, to a people far off: for the LORD hath spoken it.

9Proclaim ye this among the Gentiles; Prepare war, wake up the mighty men, let all the men of war draw near; let them come up:

10Beat your plowshares into swords, and your pruninghooks into spears: let the weak say, I am strong.

11Assemble yourselves, and come, all ye heathen, and gather yourselves together round about: thither cause thy mighty ones to come down, O LORD.

12Let the heathen be wakened, and come up to the valley of Jehoshaphat: for there will I sit to judge all the heathen round about.

13Put ye in the sickle, for the harvest is ripe: come, get you down; for the press is full, the fats overflow; for their wickedness is great.

14Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the LORD is near in the valley of decision.

15The sun and the moon shall be darkened, and the stars shall withdraw their shining.

16The LORD also shall roar out of Zion, and utter his voice from Jerusalem;

and the heavens and the earth shall shake:

but the LORD will be the hope of his people,

and the strength of the children of Israel.

17So shall ye know that I am the LORD your God dwelling in Zion, My holy mountain: then shall Jerusalem be holy, and there shall no strangers pass through her any more.

18And it shall come to pass in that day, that the mountains shall drop down new wine, and the hills shall flow with milk, and all the rivers of Judah shall flow with waters, and a fountain shall come forth of the house of the LORD, and shall water the valley of Shittim.

19Egypt shall be a desolation, and Edom shall be a desolate wilderness, for the violence against the children of Judah, because they have shed innocent blood in their land.

20But Judah shall dwell for ever, and Jerusalem from generation to generation.

21For I will cleanse their blood that I have not cleansed: for the LORD dwelleth in Zion.

[WilliamL]

21 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

Why exactly WOULD GOD tell us SATANS number is 666, and then send CHRIST IN THE 6TH?? 

Gen. 1:31 Then God saw everything that He had made, and indeed it was very good. So the evening and the morning were the sixth day. [When God made mankind.]

Ex. 16:9 “See! For the LORD has given you the Sabbath; therefore He gives you on the sixth day bread for two days.

Lev. 25:21 ‘Then I will command My blessing on you in the sixth year, and it will bring forth produce enough for three years.

Your mind rambles on too much for me, so I'll take a pass from here.

[DeighAnn]

29 minutes ago, WilliamL said:

Gen. 1:31 Then God saw everything that He had made, and indeed it was very good. So the evening and the morning were the sixth day. [When God made mankind.]

Ex. 16:9 “See! For the LORD has given you the Sabbath; therefore He gives you on the sixth day bread for two days.

Lev. 25:21 ‘Then I will command My blessing on you in the sixth year, and it will bring forth produce enough for three years.

Your mind rambles on too much for me, so I'll take a pass from here.

 

Are you saying CHRIST COMES BACK AS A MAN IN THE 6TH SEAL?  


Christ ALREADY did His time as a MAN.   


5TH SEAL -  And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

6TH SEAL - WHAT SEASON DO YOU THINK THIS WOULD BE?  

1. season fellowservants are killed

2. season Christ returns - NO SEASON for fellow servants to be killed


Simple enough?