For Non-Tongue Speaking Christians

[com7fy8]

"Likewise the Spirit helps us in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered." (Romans 8:26)

This scripture does not say you can not hear groaning.

There is groaning which can be heard, and words that can be heard, and words of prayer not heard.

And we "praying in the Holy Spirit" (Jude 1:20), I would say, can share with the Holy Spirit in how He prays in groaning deeper than words.

Communication can be deeper than words, and very intimate with groaning . . . of love  with tender caring and affection.

And every child of God is "one spirit with Him", we have in 1 Corinthians 6:17. So, if we are one with the Holy Spirit we can pray in such deep and sensitive sharing with Him and one another who pray in submission to the Holy Spirit.

And, of course, while you are groaning with love and appreciation and compassion, you can also be speaking in your known language or any language God pleases.

"Therefore submit to God." (in James 4:7)

And discover how God has us praying in sharing with Him >

"praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit" (in Ephesians 6:18).

Supplication can be very personal and deeper than words.

 

Edited April 17, 2023 by com7fy8

[other one]

Personally I think this subject has been pretty much talked out...   Sides are decided and it looks like no one is going to change.  At that point because we are bantering in front of the whole world, maybe we should just put the subject to bed for a while and find other subjects to discuss.

[ChristB4us]

1 hour ago, Waggles said:

It would be a waste of time arguing with you on this topic.

As you have previously shown us all in your other threads attacking Pentecostal doctrine - you are unteachable and not open to any truth in scripture.

I have better things to do such as witnessing to people who are seeking the gospel of salvation.

I was asking you to minister to the other poster on what he had posted.

It appears he is back peddling on what he had posted.

 

[ChristB4us]

1 hour ago, grahampaul said:

thank you for the slur. prey tell, what in my post is wrong in your eyes.

weather we speak in tongues or not it is available,some do some dont.

 

You seem to be back peddling but you really should reread what you had posted.

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 what has  all this got to do with someones experience of receiving the holy Spirit. the ability to speak in tongues is one of the nine  manifestations  of the gift , Holy Spirit. and is given to all that believe in His name.

It came across as speaking in tongues is given to all that believe in Him.

If you had not meant to post in that way, okay.

[ChristB4us]

1 hour ago, com7fy8 said:

"Likewise the Spirit helps us in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered." (Romans 8:26)

This scripture does not say you can not hear groaning.

There is groaning which can be heard, and words that can be heard, and words of prayer not heard.

And we "praying in the Holy Spirit" (Jude 1:20), I would say, can share with the Holy Spirit in how He prays in groaning deeper than words.

Communication can be deeper than words, and very intimate with groaning . . . of love  with tender caring and affection.

And every child of God is "one spirit with Him", we have in 1 Corinthians 6:17. So, if we are one with the Holy Spirit we can pray in such deep and sensitive sharing with Him and one another who pray in submission to the Holy Spirit.

And, of course, while you are groaning with love and appreciation and compassion, you can also be speaking in your known language or any language God pleases.

"Therefore submit to God." (in James 4:7)

And discover how God has us praying in sharing with Him >

"praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit" (in Ephesians 6:18).

Supplication can be very personal and deeper than words.

 

Thank you for sharing but I disagree.  The phrase "with groanings which cannot be uttered" means no sound at all.

With the Holy Spirit in us, whenever we pray, we are praying in the Spirit.

The point is to not pray in the flesh is what I believe Paul was inferring about in praying in the Spirit.  James said the same thing.

James 4:1From whence come wars and fightings among you? come they not hence, even of your lusts that war in your members? 2 Ye lust, and have not: ye kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: ye fight and war, yet ye have not, because ye ask not. 3 Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts. 4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God. 5 Do ye think that the scripture saith in vain, The spirit that dwelleth in us lusteth to envy? 6 But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble. 7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. 8 Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded. 9 Be afflicted, and mourn, and weep: let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy to heaviness. 10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

Paul's message is shorter as pray in the Spirit.

[ChristB4us]

11 minutes ago, other one said:

Personally I think this subject has been pretty much talked out...   Sides are decided and it looks like no one is going to change.  At that point because we are bantering in front of the whole world, maybe we should just put the subject to bed for a while and find other subjects to discuss.

Just as long as non-tongue speaking Christians know that the Holy Spirit is in all of us by faith in Jesus Christ and He makes intercessions for us without uttering even His groanings out loud as the scripture testifies in the KJV and a few other modern Bibles.

That is the point of the thread;  that there is no need for tongues for private use for why tongues of private use is not of Him at all when Jesus testified that the Father knows before we ask anything in prayer.

Matthew 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. 8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.

Thank you all for sharing.

Edited April 17, 2023 by ChristB4us

[other one]

55 minutes ago, ChristB4us said:

Just as long as non-tongue speaking Christians know that the Holy Spirit is in all of us by faith in Jesus Christ and He makes intercessions for us without uttering even His groanings out loud as the scripture testifies in the KJV and a few other modern Bibles.

That is the point of the thread;  that there is no need for tongues for private use for why tongues of private use is not of Him at all when Jesus testified that the Father knows before we ask anything in prayer.

Matthew 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. 8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.

Thank you all for sharing.

Problem is that this isn't the only thread you guys are working with and it's getting old.   Getting the last word in makes everyone look bad.   State your case and let Waggles state his case and let others reading decide who is wright or wrong.   Posting the same thing over and over just makes us all look bad to those coming by to read.

[R. Hartono]

4 hours ago, ayin jade said:

Sadly there are some who claim one is not a Christian without tongues.

Thats not true. 

Tongues is the part of Holy Spirit baptism and the part of Salvation, where Jesus claim believers into the body of Christ like the first downpour at Pentecost Day to the early church.

Its the best gift free of charge but it doesnt come easy. Unless you prepared to be walking in narrow path full of sharp Stones and the way Job suffered painful sores for many days and lost his wealth/cattle/job. Not easy, not easy.

 

 

Edited April 17, 2023 by R. Hartono

[other one]

3 minutes ago, R. Hartono said:

Thats not true. 

Tongues is the part of Holy Spirit baptism and the part of Salvation, where Jesus claim believers into the body of Christ like the first downpour at Pentecost Day to the early church.

so are you saying that all Christians with the Holy Spirit speak in tongues?   And I would guess anyone who doesn't speak in tongues is not saved?   Is that really what you are saying?

 

[R. Hartono]

25 minutes ago, other one said:

so are you saying that all Christians with the Holy Spirit speak in tongues?   And I would guess anyone who doesn't speak in tongues is not saved?   Is that really what you are saying?

 

 I didnt say it.

The criminals crucified with Jesus was forgiven. At that timeJesus has not yet resurrected and has not yet raised to heaven enabling Hin to send Holy Spirit as His replacement and confirming believers into the Body of Christ.

The criminal didnt need Holy Spirit because Jesus was with Him already. The same thing the early church didnt need Holy Spirit when Jesus was still with them. But as soon as Jesus raised to heaven God revisited earth in the form of boundless Body / Holy Spirit. 

Its not easy to receive and even harder to live with Holy Spirit in the narrow path full of sharp thorns and such painful torture like Job had received, which marked his body with scars and he lost his Fortune/cattle/daily job. Or like Paul who choose to put his head on the beheading table or like the early church of Rome being Fed to lions as entertainment show.