“We Should Expect Frustration Reading The Bible”

[Solus Christus]

Just now, farouk said:

Tyndale died in 1536. The translators of 1611 used already existing versions. The 1611 was later revised in 1629, 1638, 1762 and 1769.

Intriguing. I am not a fan of 2022 KJV, it changed John 3:16. 

[farouk]

4 minutes ago, Solus Christus said:

Intriguing. I am not a fan of 2022 KJV, it changed John 3:16. 

Not even familiar with than one.

I think most ppl would recite John 3.16 in the familiar version of the KJV.

[TheBlade]

On 7/30/2023 at 7:07 PM, Solus Christus said:

I found this article by Crossway very helpful:

https://www.crossway.org/articles/we-should-expect-frustration-when-reading-the-bible/

So often we want The Bible to be jigsaws to make a puzzle complete, when it can be a rubix cube that rubs us the wrong way. Knowing its normal to get frustrated and even feel unable to reconcile a passage or verse like an Algebra equation is freeing! That just like when a subject in school drove us to exasperation, tears, and torment, we did one day understand it, and went forward! 

 

 

Thank you.. but for me its never frustration. Over time and its been allot of time lol I have learned to read to ask to pray to wait. The sweet holy Spirit within me always leads and guides. Always.. I don't doubt that. I know if I get stuck I just ask.. then I am seeking reading studying and in some way He always gives the answer. I just leaned not to put GOD on some time clock. Now things I do in my life that are not 100% for Christ can put a wall or something between me and him so makes it much harder to hear. Like been looking for this tool man I been looking for days. I always repent but sometime I forget. I was not thinking about the tool but just telling the Father.. I am so sorry for.. blah blah blah. It had to be from the heart.

I then needed that tool. Picture popped up in my head "its there". I go look and? Its right there. I wonder if we know the little things in our lifes that can make it hard some times to hear. But.. just know He will tell you.. be glad rejoice.. thank Him for already telling you. He knew you would that before you did and already set in motion the answer.. I LOVE THAT praise YOU FATHER.. 

[Solus Christus]

31 minutes ago, TheBlade said:

Thank you.. but for me its never frustration. Over time and its been allot of time lol I have learned to read to ask to pray to wait. The sweet holy Spirit within me always leads and guides. Always.. I don't doubt that. I know if I get stuck I just ask.. then I am seeking reading studying and in some way He always gives the answer. I just leaned not to put GOD on some time clock. Now things I do in my life that are not 100% for Christ can put a wall or something between me and him so makes it much harder to hear. Like been looking for this tool man I been looking for days. I always repent but sometime I forget. I was not thinking about the tool but just telling the Father.. I am so sorry for.. blah blah blah. It had to be from the heart.

I then needed that tool. Picture popped up in my head "its there". I go look and? Its right there. I wonder if we know the little things in our lifes that can make it hard some times to hear. But.. just know He will tell you.. be glad rejoice.. thank Him for already telling you. He knew you would that before you did and already set in motion the answer.. I LOVE THAT praise YOU FATHER.. 

If frustration is a problematic world, perhaps substitute befuddled, exasperated, or left in a state of perplexity of how to do application of said verse.  

[Who me]

On 7/31/2023 at 9:04 PM, Solus Christus said:

there is learning process and running to experts is not always the way. For they are fallible scholars, they can be way off. 

And who do we learn from? Are we to sit in solitary cells struggling to understand something we don't  comprehend or do we learn through communal service, worship and study as well as through learning with someone else.

Yes there are false teachers out there, how does a new Christian learn what is true or false?

In the same way that they learn this, so they learn which commentaries or which authors can be trusted.

 

 

[farouk]

25 minutes ago, Who me said:

And who do we learn from? Are we to sit in solitary cells struggling to understand something we don't  comprehend or do we learn through communal service, worship and study as well as through learning with someone else.

Yes there are false teachers out there, how does a new Christian learn what is true or false?

In the same way that they learn this, so they learn which commentaries or which authors can be trusted.

 

 

Fellowship in Acts 2.42 activities can help encourage and guide one another also.......

[Who me]

16 hours ago, farouk said:

Fellowship in Acts 2.42 activities can help encourage and guide one another also.......

Which is far better than in isolation misunderstandings  scripture  and developing  a heretical view.

 

[farouk]

Just now, Who me said:

Which is far better than in isolation misunderstandings  scripture  and developing  a heretical view.

 

@Who me Iron sharpeneth iron, with Scripture reading and prayer together, right?

[Revelation Man]

On 7/31/2023 at 12:01 AM, Solus Christus said:

“If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters—yes, even their own life—such a person cannot be my disciple.” (Luke 14:26)

 

Study has to be done in depth on these issues, God loves His whole creation, He had no reason to hate Esau, the Hebrew word does not mean that and likewise the Greek word used here also does not mean hate per se, when studied both words mean "Love Less" in other words God is telling us we should love God more than our parents (of course) and we should love them less than Him. Likewise God loved Jacob more than Esau, He chose Jacob over Esau. I have found that if we see a contradiction, its never of God, it is us who misinterpret, mistranslate (long ago) or become confused by two passages we can not bring together via a consensus of agreement.  

For instance God says in Dan. 7:11 the Beast will be killed, his body destroyed. In Rev. 19:20 the scriptures say the F.P. and Beast will be cast alive into hellfire, this confuses people, I decided to never move on until God gives me an answer, it works, just like it did with the Gospels when I asked as a young Christian. So, the Lord showed me, Dan. 7:11 says he is killed, so he is killed, thus Rev. 19 has to be in  error right? Wrong, we as humans only sleep (Daniel 12:1-2 says so as does 1 Cor. 15:50-52) we are eternal beings, so instead of allowing the Beast to rest in the grave for Jesus 1000 year reign like all of the rest of the wicked do, until the Second Resurrection (of the dead) Jesus orders angels to throw them alive (meaning to not allow them to rest in the grave) immediately. Now there is no contradiction.