How did these get in the Bible???

[Tristen]

10 hours ago, Stan Murff said:

22 hours ago, Tristen said:

Does it?

 

If it doesn't then we are free to live in sin, and let our freak flag fly!

Firstly, you made a statement about what the Bible claims. The fact that you don't like the implication doesn't really answer my question as to whether the Bible claims that sin separates us from God.

Secondly, sin, from a Christian perspective, destroys us. Sin is bad for us. Sin is bondage, not freedom. The concept of being "free to live in sin" is an alien concept to Christians. According to the Gospel, we are free from sin, and its corrosive effects. Sin is something we need to be saved from. Our inescapable enslavement to sin is the reason we need a Savior.

Anyone who interprets sin as a freedom has misunderstood the role of sin, and the purpose of the Gospel to set us free. These are of the sort who think sins are something a Christian is missing out on.

 

10 hours ago, Stan Murff said:

Many of the OSAS people claim that God cannot even see our sin at all!  All He sees is us in Him.

It is not my job to defend the beliefs of others. "OSAS" is a different, and much more comprehensive, conversation.

Anyone who mitigates the seriousness of sin is taking an unChristian stance. Nevertheless, the grace found through the blood of Christ is sufficient for those sincerely seeking to overcome their sins - even if they are still in the midst of that battle.

 

[Big Boy Stan Murf]

19 hours ago, other one said:

I don't know where you are from Stan, but I truly don't know a single person that I would consider a Christian that believes we can be saved and continue sinning.

All the popular preachers say that it's not possible to lose your salvation even if one were to live in sin.

By saying things like this they are a stumbling block to believers which is sinful as it causes many to be lukewarm or turn away from the Lord living in sin while still claiming to "believe" in Jesus.

For one to hold the position that it's impossible to lose your salvation, they have to hold on to a select handful of bible verses and ignore the whole counsel of God by explaining the verses away they they don't like the aren't OSAS friendly.

One of the biggest purveyors of this false doctrine is Charles Stanley!  He's a very popular, well know, and respected minister... respected by fellow cherry pickers!

There are videos you can see right now on youtube of Charles Stanley literally saying murder is already forgiven, adultery is already forgiven, lying already forgiven etc, etc.

People here this and think they can kill their wife so they can get a younger woman and that sin is already forgiven!

Charles Stanley is just one of many examples of popular preachers that will claim "no, we don't recommend sin, but if you do sin it's already forgiven!"

Edited August 24, 2023 by Stan Murff

[Big Boy Stan Murf]

13 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Your concept here is discombobulated at best.

Everyone is entitle to their opinion.

[Big Boy Stan Murf]

10 hours ago, Tristen said:

Anyone who mitigates the seriousness of sin is taking an unChristian stance. Nevertheless, the grace found through the blood of Christ is sufficient for those sincerely seeking to overcome their sins - even if they are still in the midst of that battle.

 

And... if one expects mercy from the Lord they will need to confess their sin and FORSAKE their sin.  Knowingly living in sin is very bad and that's not "still in the b battle" but instead is having surrounded to the desires of the flesh (sin) and choosing sin over the Lord.

People can play their games, but once the Lord has revealed to them what they are doing is sin and they choose to keep doing their sin, there is not more mercy for that person... UNTIL they confess their sin and FORSAKE their sin.

Proverbs 28:13

He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.

 

Hebrews 10:26

For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins

 

*If we knowing and willing continue in sin, Jesus’ sacrifice on the Cross is no longer applicable and there will be no new sacrifice for sin forthcoming other than what Jesus has already done at the Cross.  One must cease from sin for the work of Christ to be applicable to them.

 

Ezekiel 18:26,27

When a righteous man turns away from his righteousness, and commits iniquity, and dies in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die.

Again, when the wicked man turns away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul alive.

 

Ezekiel 18:20 (see Romans 8:13)

The soul that sinneth, it shall die.

 

John 15:5

If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

 

Romans 1:28-32

And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

Without understanding, covenant breakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

 

Galatians 5:4

Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

 

*This indicates that these folks were born again and they had "fallen from grace" because they turn away from trusting in Jesus for their salvation.

 

[Starise]

4 hours ago, Stan Murff said:

And... if one expects mercy from the Lord they will need to confess their sin and FORSAKE their sin.  Knowingly living in sin is very bad and that's not "still in the b battle" but instead is having surrounded to the desires of the flesh (sin) and choosing sin over the Lord.

People can play their games, but once the Lord has revealed to them what they are doing is sin and they choose to keep doing their sin, there is not more mercy for that person... UNTIL they confess their sin and FORSAKE their sin.

Proverbs 28:13

He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.

 

Hebrews 10:26

For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins

 

*If we knowing and willing continue in sin, Jesus’ sacrifice on the Cross is no longer applicable and there will be no new sacrifice for sin forthcoming other than what Jesus has already done at the Cross.  One must cease from sin for the work of Christ to be applicable to them.

 

Ezekiel 18:26,27

When a righteous man turns away from his righteousness, and commits iniquity, and dies in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die.

Again, when the wicked man turns away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul alive.

 

Ezekiel 18:20 (see Romans 8:13)

The soul that sinneth, it shall die.

 

John 15:5

If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

 

Romans 1:28-32

And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

Without understanding, covenant breakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

 

Galatians 5:4

Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

 

*This indicates that these folks were born again and they had "fallen from grace" because they turn away from trusting in Jesus for their salvation.

 

Let's use an example of a Christian man who was saved young and almost never got into trouble of any kind. This man royally slips up one day. We don't need to tell what he did, except to say it was very bad.

He is fully aware he was bad and intends to confess his sin, but before he can do that he dies.

Where does he go?

[Big Boy Stan Murf]

8 minutes ago, Starise said:

Let's use an example of a Chriatian man who was saved young and almost never got into trouble of any kind. This man royally slips up one day. We don't need to tell what he did, except to say it was very bad.

He is fully aware he was bad and intends to confess his sin, but before he can do that he dies.

Where does he go?

Since he knew he had sinned and he knew he had to confess and forsake his sin to receive forgiveness ... but failed to do so, he does not go to Heaven.

If he does go to Heaven, then this is claiming God lied in Proverbs 28:13 among other verses.

James 4:17
Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

This man just died in his sin.

[Starise]

2 minutes ago, Stan Murff said:

Since he knew he had sinned and he knew he had to confess and forsake his sin to receive forgiveness ... but failed to do so, he does not go to Heaven.

If he does go to Heaven, then this is claiming God lied in Proverbs 28:13 among other verses.

James 4:17
Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

This man just died in his sin.

So 5 minutes can make the difference between heaven and hell? How does that have anything to do with mercy?

If you had an insurance policy that only covered the shutters on your house and not floods when you live by the ocean, what kind of insurance is that?

[Big Boy Stan Murf]

You'll have to argue with the Lord over this... does He say things He does not mean???

That tis the question.

If He does, then this makes Him a liar which I don't believe is the case but many do while claiming they don't which is double speak, a tactic used by the devil to deceive.

Edited August 24, 2023 by Stan Murff

[other one]

1 hour ago, Stan Murff said:

All the popular preachers say that it's not possible to lose your salvation even if one were to live in sin.

Unfortunately, all that I have read and heard also don't tell people how to be really saved. Thus the quote from Jesus, "depart from me for i never knew you."

[WilliamL]

On 8/17/2023 at 2:36 PM, Stan Murff said:

...we are not supposed to DO anything to be saved...

Anyone who teaches this is blowing smoke.

Mark 1:14 Now after John was put in prison, Jesus came to Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, 15 and saying, “The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand. Repent, and believe in the gospel.”

Repenting and believing are certainly things to be done.