Rapture: to be or not to be?

[DeighAnn]

16 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

No tribes were ever lost, God told Israel I have saved Myself 7000 men who have not bent the knee to Baal, meaning God has Divine Completion in mind. Again, you not understanding no tribes were ever lost as per the SEED is on you sister. Its not Gods hang up. He told us the facts if we will only receive them.

 

Apparently, I have some need to deal with this.  So, Let me try and explain it to you this way. 

But before that, I think we can agree there is no need to say  "the SEED doesn't know what is going on.  It's like saying God is omnipresent, powerful, everything.

The discussion isn't about what God knows and doesn't know.  

 
Since we all have Gods Word in our hands, when you say things like 'no TRIBE WAS EVER LOST' or whatever ways you present it,  

you are STILL not dealing with the House of Israel as the Northen nation that went into the Assyrian captivity...and was afterward scattered to the world to fulfill all the things written that IT WOULD ACCOMPLISH.  

I understand why it is so important to the pre trib doctrine to KEEP IT completely OUT of the entire story, as that is one of the first requirements of keeping, THE CHURCH/THE TEMPLE, not OF Israel...and to keep a 'church age' for AN END for the rapture. 

The doctrine seeks to keep 'the bride' heading off to its 'heavenly kingdom' so it can't be heirs to those promises as they are all of the earth...

Yet, if 'no tribe was lost'

then none of these verses WOULD HAVE BEEN SAID, WOULD THEY?

"But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel." Matthew 10:6 KJV

"But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel." Matthew 15:24 KJV

7000 doesn't address that in any way shape or form.  

The facts are
The HOUSE OF JUDAH knew exactly who the House of Israel was. 
And the House of Judah knew THEY were not the house of Israel. 
And they knew they weren't lost.  

And we should know the house of Israel never rejected the Messiah as the 'multitudes' followed Him and it was THE CHIEF priests and the rulers etc. that  did.


The 7000 doesn't address the problems associated with all the promises, blessings and the cursing's given nor does it address the different captivities by the divided nation.  
 When being right is more important than being correct...it's time for a serious talk with oneself.  Saul was sure he was right...all the knowledge, not a clue that we should get a clue from. 

And anyone who has studied the OLD knows the difference between the House of Judah and the House of Israel.  

Back to when Jesus was preaching.   Judah was in Judea, Jerusalem.  Benjamin was in there too.  The House of Judah was right where the House of Judah was supposed to be. Judah was home.  The Jews were in the temple in Jerusalem.  Those who had gone to join them when the Nations were divided from the house of Israel, also were back.  

None of them were lost.  None of them were scattered.  

I agree, all tribes had representation in Jerusalem, BUT even they wouldn't have been 'lost and scattered'.  

I no longer WONDER WHY so many of the churches today are going down the tube. 


 

Lose your life to save it.  look to save it LOSE IT,

We should ask ourselves questions about our beliefs, a good one would be does 'Pre trib rapture' SUPPORT that teaching or does it do it harm?

 Saving those who shouldn't be saved while killing those who should be

Doesn't the LEFT BEHIND portion of Pre trib doctrine keep warning those who don't believe it they are going to suffer HORRORS?  Along that line, we are told not to FEAR THE DEATH OF THE BODY?  How does the 'doctrine' do on that front?  Support or opposition?  With the words of God or against them?  

What about the part with the 'TRIB SAINTS' who take over for the entire church?  How does the church say THEY COME ABOUT?   They MISS the rapture, right?

Matthew 12:38-39 - Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee.

But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:

Where are we to find the VERSE FOR the TRIB SAINTS that tells us they are saved NOT BY FAITH, but by a sign and that's ok??   No where.  It's like they don't exist at all and then after the rapture they are ready for speed learning the Bible and ready to defend it with their lives.  THE CHURCH isn't getting anywhere near anything having to do with real tribulation.  Going from the couch to heaven.    

How is it GOD doesn't make ONE STRAIGHT FORWARD COMMENT on what will be the all time biggest miracle the world has ever/would ever see?   Sure does STEAL all the GLORY from 7 years later, doesn't it?


When does 'being kept from' turn into no death, no judgment, no overcoming, no enduring to the end, no withstanding the fiery darts of Satan?  No being given up for a 10 day trial?  

Why would the gospel armor work for those who received 'a sign' but not for those of faith?  

Are we given power over all our enemies OR AREN'T WE?   If we are, why the rapture?

If we to be proved, why the rapture?  

If we are to pick up our cross and follow Him, why the rapture?  




Surely when Christ returns to rule and reign and the realm of Heaven comes upon the earth and all the alive and remaining are changed, THERE IS A REASON FOR IT.  Don't have to find a way to ACCOUNT for 'those not changed' for the next 7 years like pre trib should but never addresses. 

ALL will be changed.  All the alive and remaining MEANS EXACTLY WHAT IS WRITTEN.  NO ONE LEFT that hasn't been changed.  No flesh and blood to be killed for 7 more years.  Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,


Flesh and blood cannot inherit that world.  No mention of the SOUL of that flesh and blood body, because be good or bad soul doesn't matter, all will be changed in one way or another because there will be no more flesh and blood bodies. 

 

Now I get to add
Jesus SAYING He was sent for the lost sheep of the House of Israel ISN'T WHAT HE REALLY MEANT.

Seems the MORE anyone tries to convince, the more 'conflicts' abound. 

Could you explain why GOD would put into place something that GOES AGAINST so many of HIS OWN TEACHINGS?   Why a doctrine that calls ALL OF HIS WORDS INTO QUESTION?  

IS IT OR ISN'T IT true?

27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

Can't have the PRE TRIB no die get changed AND the POST TRIB no die and get changed 

AND FOR THAT VERSE TO STAND.  I would ask but no answer would come.  At least nothing written....

The doctrine doesn't even bat an eye about how it reinstates a division that had been done away with by CHRIST.

Were the gentiles once a far off and are now made nigh?  Are the fellow citizens with the saints or 'a different kind of saint'?  Are they become heirs of the promises or not?  


Prayerfully, someone on the fence will see this

 

[Revelation Man]

21 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

So all the promises of God were of no effect?  And all those He said He scattered, He didn't?   

You conflate scriptures. If I give you directions to a Movie Theatre and when you write them down you miss one left turn you will have a hard time getting there, you simply do not interpret the passages correctly sister. You see scriptures and try to peg that scripture singularly, God tells us in Isaiah how to study the scriptures, "Line upon line, Precept upon precept, Here a little there a little". 

God SCATERRED the WHOLE HOUSE of Israel and will bring them back as the WHOLE HOUSE of Israel, your understanding that all the tribes were not there after Assyria toted the Northern Kingdoms off is just not correct, its not even possible, if ONE MAN from each tribe was still in Jerusalem/Judea then that equals the WHOLE HOUSE of Israel, after all the whole house came from one man Jacob, who came from one man Abraham. All it takes is one man to carry on the seed. So, your whole premise is based off a faulty assumption. Israel's 10 tribes were NEVER LOST, thus ALL Israel were ALWAYS in Israel from the time the were given the land until God rent the temple, then even though they were still there physically, God says he saw Israel as Dead Men's Bones, meaning he forsook them, and turned to another (The Gentile Church Age) to spread the good news that His son Jesus gives life to all men who call upon his name in Faith whist repenting. Meanwhile those people God forsook were gradually toted away until Israel became a deserted nation. But God deserted them when He rent the temple. Them actually leaving was not relevant per se, if they had stayed poor forsaken nomads in Israel, they still were n it an entity in God's eyes, your whole spotlight is shinned on "THE PEOPLE" whilst God says the Peoples/Nation is a DEAD ENTITY unto Him. Once He alone gets ready to bring them back from the Dead, in order to serve Hos purposes and for His names sake, He will. Not because they deserve it but because He promised Abraham and to show everyone God never reneges or lies unto us, on anything. Try reading Ez. 36, I think I showed you this before, God says he brings Israel back from the Dead to Glorify His Holy name. 

Where the Jewish people went to is not a big deal per se. When God brought them back into the land He promised to give them, they could only come as ALL 12 TRIBES, the Whole House of Israel. TBH, I think you really understand this. 

The promises are all true, you just conflate those promises.

On 8/29/2023 at 3:53 PM, DeighAnn said:

Why would the ANGELS have to go and gather from the four corners of the earth IF ALL OF ISRAEL WAS IN ISRAEL ALREADY?  

Stuff like this, research sister, its a well known fact that the Four Corners of the earth means from the North, South, East and West. BUT ALAS, not only are Israel saved (Elected means saved by Faith in Christ Jesus) during the 70th week but so are Gentiles. The Martyrs are the Gentiles who convert, the Anti-Christ can not get at the Jews (Woman in Rev. 12) who flee unto the Petra/Bozrah area where God protects them for 42 months.

On 8/29/2023 at 3:53 PM, DeighAnn said:

Let me SHOW YOU what you EXPECT PEOPLE TO BELIEVE.  In random order, not in importance

1 James addressed to 
1James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.

So, the Jews knew their own history, this book was written like 10-20 years before the 70 AD events, James job is to Evangelize like all of the other disciples, by ready Matthew Henry Commentary, it seems his job was to take the Gospel to those former Israelites who were now considered Gentiles, but were of the 12 Tribes via their lineage and blood line. So, he was merely trying to reach them with the Gospel of Jesus Christ, where so ever they were now living at, this is why its not Thessalonians, or Corinthians etc. and the book of James instead, he was trying to outreach them all. He feels by calling then tribes he will have a better shot at Evangelizing them. But they ceased being Israel because God Himself cast them out. So, you are conflating the actual Tribes with those God kicked out of the family for good, as per being Israelites. 

On 8/29/2023 at 3:53 PM, DeighAnn said:

NOW WE ALL KNOW THERE ARE 14 TRIBES.  James was living AMONGST THE TWO OF THEM that returned from their SEPARATE captivity, who returned TO THEIR HOME to rebuild the temple, EVEN keeping the same religion. 

There are only 12 tribes, call them what you will. There were 12 sons and thus are 12 tribes the bloodline can't create #13 out of thin air, it just does not work like that sister.

On 8/29/2023 at 3:53 PM, DeighAnn said:

So they were NOT, had not been 'SCATTERED ABROAD' when Christ began His ministry, NEITHER were they lost.

Well, for starters, no one (especially Pre Trib guys) has ever stated the tribes were already scattered when Jesus  showed up, all 12 tribes had seed living in Judea/Jerusalem. 

On 8/29/2023 at 3:53 PM, DeighAnn said:

even though

THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL never went back to their lands and were scattered to the world for the blessings of God to follow where they went when they went to settle and become MANY NATIONS, promises given to their fathers.  


So the tribes that left their promised land, NEVER to be known as the house of Israel again until the end, not even by themselves (lost)

You are so all over the place no one can even follow you here tbh. Israel were not toted off by Assyria, the 10 Northern Kingdoms were, but all 12 Tribes still had seed living in Judea. As per the Northern Kingdoms, they have been banished forever, the only seed that remains were those who hated and detested the Norther Tribes and threw in with Israel. So, no seed was ever lost. 

On 8/29/2023 at 3:53 PM, DeighAnn said:

THE PRE TRIB doesn't consider to be 'the lost sheep of the house of Israel'.  

 

WOW, come on now, you do get that was only used as a Spiritual Metaphor by Jesus, not cited as a Physical reality right? 

On 8/29/2023 at 3:53 PM, DeighAnn said:

AMAZING how down and out upside down that is, all for a doctrine.  


The HOUSE OF JUDAH who have returned to THEIR very own part of the PROMISED LAND, WITH THEIR SAME NAME, AND RELIGION

You are conflated on all things prophesy, from my vantage point sister. When Assyria toted of the Northern Kingdom, God still has all 12 tribes living in Israel. By the time Jesus came and died, all 12 tribes were still living in Judea. In 1948 God brought every tribe back into Israel. We now await the Pre Trib Rapture which is kicked off by Political man (A.C.) inviting Israel to become a part of the European Nation Gov. 

On 8/29/2023 at 3:53 PM, DeighAnn said:

THEY DON'T.   

 
You can try and tell me ALL OF THEM were in Jerusalem all you want but that would make what GOD SAYS null and void.  

You are conflating the passages and are confused on prophesy in general from what I see.

On 8/29/2023 at 3:59 PM, DeighAnn said:

What is wrong with you?  FROM WHAT YOU SEE EVERYTHING that isn't seen the same way is wrong.  

No, you are wrong because you are wrong. Israel and the Church are not ONE, never has been never will be. PERIOD.

On 8/29/2023 at 3:59 PM, DeighAnn said:

JUST PUT OUT GODS WORDS TO PROVE WHAT YOU SAY. 

 YOU SAYING your own words PROVES NOTHING and you are wasting my time.  

Again, you conflate most everything Prophesy sister. It is what it is. God Bless....

[DeighAnn]

10 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

You conflate scriptures

 

[DeighAnn]

38 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

God SCATERRED the WHOLE HOUSE of Israel and will bring them back as the WHOLE HOUSE of Israel, your understanding that all the tribes were not there after Assyria toted the Northern Kingdoms off is just not correct, its not even possible, if ONE MAN from each tribe was still in Jerusalem/Judea then that equals the WHOLE HOUSE of Israel, after all the whole house came from one man Jacob, who came from one man Abraham.

Last time I am going to give SCRIPTURE to PROVE what is put forth here is  incorrect and is not ONLY from a lack of understanding but from a fairly thorough lack of knowledge of the Old Testament.  

Yes, THE WHOLE house was SCATTERED, but NOT ALL OF THEM 'LOST' because  the Jews have always known they were Jews, and since they have ALWAYS known who they were, they HAVE NEVER BEEN LOST.  Can't get around that.  

Let's compare them with LOST SHEEP.  How many people are of Reuben?  Dan? Simeon?  Gad?  Asher?  CAN'T NAME A ONE.  Know why?  they are LOST

The JEWS were in Jerusalem.  Can't get around that.  

Jesus didn't SAY He was sent to the WHOLE house, did He?   Can't get around that.

You can make up this ONE SEED thing but that's all on you and your assumptions and I would imagine just to KEEP THE DOCTRINE ALIVE.  

 

57 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

BUT ALAS, not only are Israel saved (Elected means saved by Faith in Christ Jesus) during the 70th week but so are Gentiles.

Why on earth would Gentiles be gathered by angels?  They have taken the mark of the beast.  

Don't you remember?  "And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened." Matthew 24:22 KJV

Gentiles?  really?

 

1 hour ago, Revelation Man said:

There are only 12 tribes, call them what you will. There were 12 sons and thus are 12 tribes the bloodline can't create #13 out of thin air, it just does not work like that sister.

Let's let GOD SPEAK TO the TRUTH

1And it came to pass after these things, that one told Joseph, Behold, thy father is sick: and he took with him his two sons, Manasseh and Ephraim.

2And one told Jacob, and said, Behold, thy son Joseph cometh unto thee: and Israel strengthened himself, and sat upon the bed.

3And Jacob said unto Joseph, God Almighty appeared unto me at Luz in the land of Canaan, and blessed me,

4And said unto me, Behold, I will make thee fruitful, and multiply thee, and I will make of thee a multitude of people; and will give this land to thy seed after thee for an everlasting possession.

5And now thy two sons, Ephraim and Manasseh, which were born unto thee in the land of Egypt before I came unto thee into Egypt, are mine; as Reuben and Simeon, they shall be mine.

6And thy issue, which thou begettest after them, shall be thine, and shall be called after the name of their brethren in their inheritance.

7And as for me, when I came from Padan, Rachel died by me in the land of Canaan in the way, when yet there was but a little way to come unto Ephrath: and I buried her there in the way of Ephrath; the same is Bethlehem.

8And Israel beheld Joseph's sons, and said, Who are these?

9And Joseph said unto his father, They are my sons, whom God hath given me in this place. And he said, Bring them, I pray thee, unto me, and I will bless them.

10Now the eyes of Israel were dim for age, so that he could not see. And he brought them near unto him; and he kissed them, and embraced them.

11And Israel said unto Joseph, I had not thought to see thy face: and, lo, God hath shewed me also thy seed.

12And Joseph brought them out from between his knees, and he bowed himself with his face to the earth.

13And Joseph took them both, Ephraim in his right hand toward Israel's left hand, and Manasseh in his left hand toward Israel's right hand, and brought them near unto him.

14And Israel stretched out his right hand, and laid it upon Ephraim's head, who was the younger, and his left hand upon Manasseh's head, guiding his hands wittingly; for Manasseh was the firstborn.

15And he blessed Joseph, and said, God, before whom my fathers Abraham and Isaac did walk, the God which fed me all my life long unto this day,

16The Angel which redeemed me from all evil, bless the lads; and let my name be named on them, and the name of my fathers Abraham and Isaac; and let them grow into a multitude in the midst of the earth.

17And when Joseph saw that his father laid his right hand upon the head of Ephraim, it displeased him: and he held up his father's hand, to remove it from Ephraim's head unto Manasseh's head.

18And Joseph said unto his father, Not so, my father: for this is the firstborn; put thy right hand upon his head.

19And his father refused, and said, I know it, my son, I know it: he also shall become a people, and he also shall be great: but truly his younger brother shall be greater than he, and his seed shall become a multitude of nations.

20And he blessed them that day, saying, In thee shall Israel bless, saying, God make thee as Ephraim and as Manasseh: and he set Ephraim before Manasseh.

21And Israel said unto Joseph, Behold, I die: but God shall be with you, and bring you again unto the land of your fathers.

22Moreover I have given to thee one portion above thy brethren, which I took out of the hand of the Amorite with my sword and with my bow.



"For the children of Joseph were two tribes, Manasseh and Ephraim: therefore they gave no part unto the Levites in the land, save cities to dwell in, with their suburbs for their cattle and for their substance." Joshua 14:4 KJV

"So the children of Joseph, Manasseh and Ephraim, took their inheritance." Joshua 16:4 KJV


"And the rest of the children of Kohath had by lot out of the families of the tribe of Ephraim, and out of the tribe of Dan, and out of the half tribe of Manasseh, ten cities." Joshua 21:5 KJV
 

"Moreover the children of Ammon passed over Jordan to fight also against Judah, and against Benjamin, and against the house of Ephraim; so that Israel was sore distressed." Judges 10:9 KJV


"And the residue of the families of the sons of Kohath had cities of their coasts out of the tribe of Ephraim." 1 Chronicles 6:66 KJV


"But there came a man of God to him, saying, O king, let not the army of Israel go with thee; for the LORD is not with Israel, to wit, with all the children of Ephraim." 2 Chronicles 25:7 KJV


"Gilead is mine, and Manasseh is mine; Ephraim also is the strength of mine head; Judah is my lawgiver;" Psalms 60:7 KJV


"And it was told the house of David, saying, Syria is confederate with Ephraim. And his heart was moved, and the heart of his people, as the trees of the wood are moved with the wind." Isaiah 7:2 KJV


"Manasseh, Ephraim; and Ephraim, Manasseh: and they together shall be against Judah. For all this his anger is not turned away, but his hand is stretched out still." Isaiah 9:21 KJV


"They shall come with weeping, and with supplications will I lead them: I will cause them to walk by the rivers of waters in a straight way, wherein they shall not stumble: for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn." Jeremiah 31:9 KJV


"Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions:" Ezekiel 37:16 KJV


"I know Ephraim, and Israel is not hid from me: for now, O Ephraim, thou committest whoredom, and Israel is defiled." Hosea 5:3 KJV


"And they of the south shall possess the mount of Esau; and they of the plain the Philistines: and they shall possess the fields of Ephraim, and the fields of Samaria: and Benjamin shall possess Gilead." Obadiah 1:19 KJV


"When I have bent Judah for me, filled the bow with Ephraim, and raised up thy sons, O Zion, against thy sons, O Greece, and made thee as the sword of a mighty man." Zechariah 9:13 KJV


I was just wondering, what parts of the OLD TESTAMENT did you study?




 

[NConly]

What the Bible says about God Scattered His People
(From Forerunner Commentary)

Ecclesiastes 3:5

“Gather” and “scatter” make a couple frequently encountered in the Scriptures. In Matthew 12:30, Christ clarifies that, from His viewpoint, gathering and scattering are opposites and are therefore mutually exclusive: “Anyone who is not for Me is really against Me; anyone who does not help Me gather is really scattering” (Good News Translation [GNT]; see also Luke 11:23). You cannot do both at once.

However, as Ecclesiastes 3:5 avers, it is possible to scatter and gather at different times. Through the prophet Jeremiah, God announces that He does just that—scatters today and gathers tomorrow: “I scattered My people, but I will gather them and guard them as a shepherd guards his flock” (Jeremiah 31:10, GNT). God “scattered over the whole earth” the descendants of Ham, Japheth, and Shem (Genesis 9:19, New International Version [NIV]). Later, He scattered the House of Israel, using the Assyrian as His agent (II Kings 17:7-18). Still later, He employed the Babylonian to scatter the folk of Judah—all but the “poorest of the land” (II Kings 25:12), a pitiful remnant.

Finally, He hired the Romans to disperse the Jews from Jerusalem and surrounding territories. In doing so, they “destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city” (Matthew 22:7). They carried at least some of the accouterments of the Temple service to Rome. Someone disassembled the altar. The blood sacrifices ceased. The diaspora commenced in earnest. Yes, indeed, yesterday, God did plenty of scattering.

Charles Whitaker (1944-2021)

[DeighAnn]

1 hour ago, Revelation Man said:

Well, for starters, no one (especially Pre Trib guys) has ever stated the tribes were already scattered when Jesus  showed up, all 12 tribes had seed living in Judea/Jerusalem. 

If only you had GOD SAYING THAT.  But I'll get to that later

 

 

1 hour ago, Revelation Man said:

You are conflated on all things prophesy, from my vantage point sister. When Assyria toted of the Northern Kingdom, God still has all 12 tribes living in Israel. By the time Jesus came and died, all 12 tribes were still living in Judea. In 1948 God brought every tribe back into Israel. We now await the Pre Trib Rapture which is kicked off by Political man (A.C.) inviting Israel to become a part of the European Nation Gov. 

Again, if all were back in Israel, and the church is fellowcitizens and joint heirs and ADOPTED SONS and grafted in, 

THEN the church would be there also.   Can't have it both ways.  

 

1 hour ago, Revelation Man said:

You are conflating the passages and are confused on prophesy in general from what I see.

And if it had been written you would see it but as it is neither of us can because it isn't.  I will debate the words of God, just not yours


 

 

1 hour ago, Revelation Man said:

No, you are wrong because you are wrong. Israel and the Church are not ONE, never has been never will be. PERIOD.

Grafted in, joint heirs, fellow citizens, Abrahams seed, Gods People, the TEMPLE OF GOD, 

You can call them by a different name but they are all still Gods people 


ONE BODY

"For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit." 1 Corinthians 12:13 KJV

 

1 hour ago, Revelation Man said:

Again, you conflate most everything Prophesy sister. It is what it is. God Bless....

the doctrine twists - makes both deaf and blind
 

[Montana Marv]

10 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

Ezekiel 39 is a different timeline than the one we are discussing.That takes place after Gog is destroyed 1000 years after the resurrection described in Ezekiel 37.

Gog invades after the millinium

Again why does Israel bury the dead from this Gog war of yours for 7 Months and burn the weapons of war for 7 Years.  And all this on the New Earth and in the New Jerusalem.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[Shilohsfoal]

1 hour ago, Montana Marv said:

Again why does Israel bury the dead from this Gog war of yours for 7 Months and burn the weapons of war for 7 Years.  And all this on the New Earth and in the New Jerusalem.

In Christ

Montana Marv

A new earth and a new heaven does not mean it's a different earth and a different heaven.There is only one earth and mars and Venus isn't it.

Abraham and his seed recieve the land of Canaan for an everlasting possession.Not a temporary one.

That's why they keep it cleaned up.Because it's theirs forever.

 

John 13:10

Jesus saith to him, He that is washed needeth not save to wash his feet, but is clean every whit: and ye are clean, but not all.

 

 

If Christ has made you clean,why do you still take a shower?

 

 

 

Edited August 31, 2023 by Shilohsfoal

[Shilohsfoal]

13 hours ago, Montana Marv said:

Again why does Israel bury the dead from this Gog war of yours for 7 Months and burn the weapons of war for 7 Years.  And all this on the New Earth and in the New Jerusalem.

In Christ

Montana Marv

Yet another one of those people you claim to live safely was killed.Them who you claim dwell safely keep dropping like flies.

 

https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-756955

Israeli soldier murdered, five injured in terror truck ramming

 

You positive them in the land of Israel today" DWELL SAFELY,ALL OF THEM"?

 

Ezekiel 38

⁸ After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.

 

https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-756985

Four terrorist attacks in 24 hours: A timeline of August 2023

August 2023 has been a deadly month of terror attacks in Israel, and between August 5 to August 31, five people have been killed multiple more people have been wounded to varying degrees.

Edited August 31, 2023 by Shilohsfoal

[R. Hartono]

On 8/21/2023 at 5:34 PM, Shilohsfoal said:

 

Now this is my favorite rapture verse.Id say it's the best I've seen.

 

John 17:15

My prayer is not that you take them out of the world but that you protect them from the evil one.
 

The church Will be on earth otherwise who will spread the Gospel. But Until the Harvest where the wise virgins are gathered to the wedding of the Lamb. 

Night Will come where nobody can work.

Edited August 31, 2023 by R. Hartono