Is Antichrist Muslim?

[WilliamL]

On 11/3/2023 at 3:34 PM, Revelation Man said:

You guys are the ones that buy into what I have proved is a mistranslation by the KJV, who changed 1600 years of well known understanding that this was a DEPARTURE not falling away from the "Faith". The Latin Vulgate used Dissisceo which meant Departure, the first 7 English translations had Departure, yet you and others insists it has to mean rebellion...

...because apostasia does mean just what it sounds like: apostasy. That is how the term was used in those days:

" Strong’s Definitions:

ἀποστασία apostasía, ap-os-tas-ee'-ah; feminine of the same as G647; defection from truth (properly, the state) ("apostasy")...

 

" Thayer's Greek Lexicon:

ἀποστασία, -ας, ἡ, (ἀφίσταμαι), a falling away, defection, apostasy; in the Bible namely, from the true religion: Acts 21:21; 2 Thessalonians 2:3; ... 1 Macc. 2:15). "

The word is only used in one other place in the NT, Acts 21:21: "and they have been told about you, that you are teaching all the Jews who are among the Gentiles apostasia/apostasy from Moses, telling them not to circumcise their children nor to walk according to the customs."

1 Macc. 2:15 Then the kingʼs officers who were enforcing the apostasy [Gr. apostasia] came to Modein to make them offer sacrifice.

I interpret words from the original languages, and don't ever rely on English versions.

[Revelation Man]

On 11/6/2023 at 12:52 PM, WilliamL said:

...because apostasia does mean just what it sounds like: apostasy. That is how the term was used in those days:

 

No it doesn't, unless its speaking about leaving THE FAITH, if its speaking about leaving THE EARTH then the KJV just made all that up, right? 

Apo means AWAY FROM and Hestemi means I STAND. So, the words combined mean someone or something is moving AWAY from a certain STANDING. Now what is the passage pointing unto? Its just not that hard to figure out, unless you can't understand the timing of the Rapture. 

I have already destroyed this thesis that it means a departure of the faith with my blog years ago. Now I will go line by line and I ask you, please show me anywhere that faith is pointed unto in this passage, please do !! Because it is not there, but a Gathering unto Christ is there. So, why does Paul tell them not to fear?  Because they will depart before the DOTL falls onto mankind.

2 Thess. 2:1 Now we beseech(ask urgently) you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

{{ So, in the old style writing this seemingly confuses many, something has to be confusing people, this vs. above could come AFTER vs. 2 like this.....vs. 2 first, Do not be afraid brothers, or troubled that God's Wrath is upon you, we Beseech you via the coming of Jesus and our "Gathering unto him" (Rapture) that you do not fear this. (Meaning the Rapture of the Church precedes the Wrath of God. In other words, Paul is telling them they can not be in the DOTL because the Departure of the Church must come before that. The GATHERING unto Christ.}}

2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day(DOTL) shall not come, except there come a falling away first(Departure first), and that man of sin be revealed(So, BOTH the Rapture & the A.C. happens before God's Wrath falls), the son of perdition;

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6 And now ye know what withholdeth(The Holy Spirit working through the Church HOLDS BACK the A.C.) that he might be revealed in his time(70th Week end times).

7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth(Binds) will let(Bind), until he be taken out of the way(The Holy Spirit's vehicle that he binds the A.C. by is the Church).

8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed(AFTER the Rapture or Departure of the Church whom the Holy Spirit uses to bind the A.C. from coming forth with), whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

Until one can understand the timing of the Rapture its very hard for them to grasp prophesy in full. 

On 11/6/2023 at 12:52 PM, WilliamL said:

I interpret words from the original languages, and don't ever rely on English versions.

Apostasy like GAY has morphed, now its seen as Revolt, but just like 100 years ago gay meant Happy, this word as written by Paul means to Depart a Standing and that standing is obvious, its the Church on this earth, whom the Holy Spirit uses to bind Satan's plans for this earth. The gates of hell can not overcome the church but you think we go through the tribulation period. 

Now show me where FAITH is ever spoken of in 2 Thess. 2, you can't do it, but read vs. 1, there we can see a gathering unto Jesus Apo (away) from a Hestemi (standing)  on this earth, this means the Church will DEPART this earth, NOWHERE IS FAITH EVEN HINTED AT IN THIS PASSAGE, ANYWHERE.  

 

Edited November 8, 2023 by Revelation Man

[WilliamL]

On 11/6/2023 at 4:39 PM, Revelation Man said:

2 Thess. 2:1 Now we beseech(ask urgently) you, brethren, by the coming/Parousia of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, ...

8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed(AFTER the Rapture or Departure of the Church whom the Holy Spirit uses to bind the A.C. from coming forth with), whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming/Parousia:

So anyone should be able to see in these two verses the fallacy of your teaching. Christ's Parousia does not come until AFTER the Son of Perdition/wicked one is revealed. No rapture BEFORE Christ's Parousia, and no Parousia before the Son of Perdition is revealed. 

[Revelation Man]

2 hours ago, WilliamL said:

So anyone should be able to see in these two verses the fallacy of your teaching. Christ's Parousia does not come until AFTER the Son of Perdition/wicked one is revealed. No rapture BEFORE Christ's Parousia, and no Parousia before the Son of Perdition is revealed. 

Well, you cant see anything that has the rapture in the correct place because of a preconceived wrong notion. So, it matters not what I say or don't say, you are never going to see the facts, but of course that is not going to change the facts brother. The DEPARTURE of the Church = the Gathering together unto Christ Jesus. I noticed you can't show one word in the whole passage that is about Faith, yet you want me to believe the DEPARTURE is from the faith. Psstt, I know what it means and that the Rapture is pre trib. Prophecy has been my calling for 40 years, this isn't a hobby brother, I understand what I speak of.

You confusing what Paul is speaking about is on you. I can only testify to the facts, I can't make you see what you can not see. My blog destroyed this long ago. Andy Woods now has a sermon on this very subject being the Rapture on Youtube. This isn't even a hard to understand passage. The Church departs the earth before the Wrath falls. That's why they do not need to fear. The Jewish Bride and Groom spend 7 days in the Fathers house/mansion where the Father has MANY ROOMS.

The Time of the Gentiles = SERVICE as per Romans chapter 9-11 it is all about SERVICE read it !! God the Potter CHOOSES whom He will, He chose Jacob over Esau for SERVICE, he chose to harden Pharaoh, so the Jews are not finished with Paul says, God will graft them back in one day, but they will stay blind until the TIME OF THE GENTILES (SERVICE) is come FULL...........Meaning our mission of taking the Gospel unto the whole world is FINISHED !! Why is it you can't seam all of these things together? 

When does Israel come back to the Lord? After the Pte Trib Rapture. They will remain blinded as long as the Gentiles are serving the Lord God via the Church. This is what I call letting the dog lead us around. Nothing even makes sense except a Pre 70th Week Rapture because the Jews are back on the Clock. At NO TIME did the Church exist during the other 69 weeks. Seam it all together do not have pre conceived nations brother. I know 100 percent I am correct, you will be taken up with me in a pre 70th week rapture very soon. (The Fall of 2025...quit fighting it....lol)

Edited November 8, 2023 by Revelation Man

[WilliamL]

22 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Well, you cant see anything that has the rapture in the correct place because of a preconceived wrong notion. So, it matters not what I say or don't say, you are never going to see the facts...

...yada yada yada. Of course, you completely ignored the testimony of the two verses I quoted, which make all your claims about 2 Thes. 2 invalid.

[Revelation Man]

On 11/9/2023 at 3:27 PM, WilliamL said:

...yada yada yada. Of course, you completely ignored the testimony of the two verses I quoted, which make all your claims about 2 Thes. 2 invalid.

I know the bible, I see the overall picture, when a person only looks at snapshots and not the overall bible as put together by the holy spirit, its no use trying to teach them because they only have a singular focus. God gives us multiple scriptures that must gel, trying to see things in only a few verses is not the way to study the bible. I know the Rapture is Pre trib, it is not even debatable to me. So, understanding 2 Thess. 2 is also easy. You can not point to anywhere FAITH is spoken about in the passage, just admit it is not there. But you are bought in to an idea, so that makes no difference. 

Edited November 11, 2023 by Revelation Man

[WilliamL]

On 11/9/2023 at 5:03 PM, Revelation Man said:

I know the Rapture is Pre trib, it is not even debatable to me. ... But you are bought in to an idea, so that makes no difference. 

You are unable to see that you yourself have bought into an idea so thoroughly that you can not even defend it in an honest debate. It always just comes down to "I'm right, you're wrong, and I don't need to prove anything to anybody about anything."

[Desopixi Seilynam]

Definitely not. But the deception is such. 'Jesus' will be on the way, to end world war 3.

Edited November 11, 2023 by Desopixi Seilynam

[JoeCanada]

On 11/8/2023 at 2:53 PM, Revelation Man said:

I know 100 percent I am correct, you will be taken up with me in a pre 70th week rapture very soon. (The Fall of 2025...quit fighting it....lol)

Oh yes Revman ... I have it marked on my calendar.

And when the fall of 2025 comes and goes, and we are all still here (you included)  then what will you say? ...

" Oh brothers, I was off by a bit ... I meant the spring of 2026"

And when the spring of 2026 comes and goes, and we are all still here (yes, you included still)  then what will you say ...

"Oh brothers, I was off by a bit again, I meant ........................................................."

 

[BornAgain490]

Antichrist a Muslim?   

Interestingly, Israel is surrounded by antichrist nations, the State of Israel itself being an antichrist nation.  Perhaps the end-times antichrist is a Talmudic Jew. 🤔 

Back to Israel's neighbors. Look at their national flags: white, red, black, and green.  Their colors match the colors of the four horses of the apocalypse.  Food for thought.