Who is the little horn of Daniel 7 & 8?

[Shilohsfoal]

10 hours ago, Charlie744 said:

You have missed too much of the meaning and prophetic messages in Daniel. The book of Daniel is all about the coming of the Messiah in the 70th week of Daniel’s prophecy, and the restoration of the Jews from Babylon AND the more important message being the restoration of mankind back to the Garden. 
 
I understand your comments but they have nothing to do with the Book of Daniel and His prophetic Words. 
 

Nothing to do with any US president, the US, China, Russia or Islam. The 4th and final kingdom of pagan Rome  was “authorized,” if you will by God. It was the last kingdom but it was taken over by papal Rome and the little horn. 
 

This little horn would be found to claim divinity, infallibility, god on earth, speak against God, etc. This is the one that will continue until the end of time until he is destroyed by God. 
 

He is indeed a man (papacy). Daniel 7 and 8 provide more than 10 characteristics of the little horn… impossible to miss. 
 

He comes out of the 4th kingdom of pagan Rome JUST AFTER THE CROSS but will not come to power (sitting atop the 4th beast of papal Rome) until the 6th century. 
 

I understand that none of this makes any sense to you and your interpretations are farrrrrrrr different… and that is okay!!!!

But there is absolutely no reason to continue my view as opposed to your view. 
 

Thanks. 

 

You don't understand the simply fact that Daniel is a prophet of Israel and testifies of Israel.Dsniel is not a prophet of Rome sent to testify of Rome 

You also believe the prophecies of Daniel are about ancient times and were fulfilled in ancient times when the book of Daniel plainly states that his prophecy concerning the time of the end.

Daniel 12

⁹ And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

¹⁰ Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

 

If you want to believe the time of the end was in the 6th century then go right ahead.Not even Daniel could convince otherwise.

PS

Your rejection of the revelation of Jesus Christ is more reason you can't understand anything about the beast.

 

 

Edited October 27, 2023 by Shilohsfoal

[Last Daze]

18 hours ago, Charlie744 said:

Who is the 4th kingdom?

The feet of iron and clay.  The globalist U.N.  At least for now.

18 hours ago, Charlie744 said:

Doesn’t the 10 horns and the little horn come out of the 4th kingdom? 

Yes.  The beast and his ten horns are primarily evil spirit beings who influence the natural realm.  They began the 4th kingdom over a century ago and have been busy setting the stage for the little horn.

18 hours ago, Charlie744 said:

Doesn’t the little horn have eyes like a man and a mouth that speaks… isn’t he a man?

Yes, in contrast to the other horns who don't have eyes and a mouth, non-humans.

[WilliamL]

20 hours ago, Charlie744 said:

In Daniel 8:9,

Strong's Hebrew 4704: 1) little, insignificant, a small thing

In Daniel 7:8

Strong's Hebrew 2192: 1) a little, small

 

In both chapters, the little horn is characterized as being "small," however, he is being compared to two very different entities. In one, he is being compared to the 10 horns that preceeded him. In another, he is being compared to the large horn of Alexander.

Because the ten horns are of the fourth beast/Rome, while Alexander was of the third beast/Greece. Two different kingdoms, two different horns.

[Shilohsfoal]

4 hours ago, WilliamL said:

Because the ten horns are of the fourth beast/Rome, while Alexander was of the third beast/Greece. Two different kingdoms, two different horns.

Well,you only have one little geographical problem.Rome was not promised to the saints for an everlasting kingdom.

Daniel 7

²⁰ And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows.

²¹ I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;

²² Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.

 

The kingdom.under heaven which Daniel speaks of is Jerusalem.Not Rome.The same kingdom the saints live in forever because no one can take it away from them. The same kingdom the saints live in at the end of the millinium and forever more.

revelation 20

And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

 

Something tells me y'all been looking at the wrong part of the earth all along.

And to be honest about the little horn that persecutes the saints at the time of the end.Jesus said where it is long ago and he's not in Rome.He is sitting right in Jerusalem .

Mathew 23

³⁴ Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:

³⁵ That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.

³⁶ Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.

³⁷ O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

³⁸ Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

³⁹ For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

[WilliamL]

On 10/27/2023 at 1:40 AM, Revelation Man said:

The only real switch brother is that the book of Daniel switches from Aramaic in 7 to Hebrew in Dan. 8:1, that is why the words are different,

Incorrect, they stem from two entirely different roots. Check your Strong's again for H2191  and 2192.

[WilliamL]

22 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

Well,you only have one little geographical problem.Rome was not promised to the saints for an everlasting kingdom.

I never said nor implied it was, not sure how you came to that conclusion.

[Marilyn C]

On 10/27/2023 at 12:56 AM, Charlie744 said:

In Daniel 7 & 8, we have the two chapters when Gabriel introduces the little horn. 
WITHOUT going into Revelation, and based on the many characteristics and the timing found IN THESE TWO CHAPTERS, who is the little horn and when did he arrive?

 

[Marilyn C]

[Marilyn C]

We know from scripture where the anti-Christ will arise & what his nationality is. We are also told that he is an Assyrian. Now this is a nationality even today. Andre Agassi, the famous tennis player is of  Assyrian descent.

 

Details of the anti-Christ –

 

His nationality – Assyrian.  (Isa. 31: 8     Micah 5: 5)

The region he comes from – the Ancient Assyrian Empire. (Dan. 11: 35 – 43)

Leader of Ancient Assyrian region -  Iraq, Syria & Jordan. (Dan. 7: 8)

Leader of Islamic Federation – 10 kings of Islam. (Dan. 7: 8,   Rev. 17: 12)

He rules the world – (Rev. 16: 13 & 14,     19: 19)

 

 

 

 

[Shilohsfoal]

1 hour ago, WilliamL said:

I never said nor implied it was, not sure how you came to that conclusion.

You said the fourth kingdom with ten horns is Rome.

Your looking at the wrong part of the world.You should have stayed in the part of the world where it started.The promised land. The land where the nations fight against the Lord.

 

Revelation 17

¹² And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

¹³ These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.

¹⁴ These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

 

As compared to.

 

Psalms 83

5 With one mind they plot together; they form an alliance against you—

6 the tents of Edom and the Ishmaelites, of Moab and the Hagrites,

7 Byblos, Ammon and Amalek, Philistia, with the people of Tyre.

8 Even Assyria has joined them to reinforce Lot’s descendants.

9 Do to them as you did to Midian, as you did to Sisera and Jabin at the river Kishon,

10 who perished at Endor and became like dung on the ground.

11 Make their nobles like Oreb and Zeeb, all their princes like Zebah and Zalmunna,

12 who said, “Let us take possession of the pasturelands of God.”

 

 

It's not Rome who wants possession of the promised land.Its not Rome who wants to destroy Israel and own all the land promised to the saints of God.The ten horns are in the middle east and it's they are who go to Armegeddon Israel.

 

I wanted to understand what was on the ten horns mind so I studied the Quran and Hadith just to see what they believe.It was quite informative and everything in the bible about them made perfect sense.The muslims are marching to their doom and they don't know it.

Edited October 29, 2023 by Shilohsfoal