What About The Palestinians ?

[D. Adrien]

2 hours ago, Renskedejonge said:

Ayaan Hirsi Ali was muslim. She said: We weren't really busy with that faith. But then the muslim brotherhood came and she lived somewhere in Africa. She had never even seen a Jewish person, but they were now taught to hate Israel and Jews. I read that she recently became christian. First she went to atheism.

I believe there has been a fatwa issued against her for leaving the religion of piece(s).

She is also married to Niall Ferguson who has written a number of wonderful books worth reading. Both of these people try to bring reason to chaos and are deserving of respect.

[Dennis1209]

I have experience with kimchi and nuoc cham; I will fast or force down a cold can of ham and egg C-rations anytime. From the few S. Korean soldiers I saw in RVN, I was glad they were fighting for our side. I do not want to derail the thread so I will leave it at that.

The religion of peace: There are only two types of Muslims: those who act out what they believe (called radicals) and those who do not want to get actively involved (like other religions). When an active comes knocking on the door of an inactive demanding something, they have no choice but to become participants or supporters. If they protest or try to leave Islam, they are labeled as infidels and are dealt with accordingly. The only thing Islam, the Jews, and Christianity have in common is Abraham.

We are all products of our environment from childhood to some extent. What our parents believe, what public and religious education brainwashes us with, peer pressure, etc. We all know this ancient hatred for one another originated between Esau and Jacob (Israel). Muslims erroneously believe Esau was covenanted and promised the land.

As someone mentioned above, there is no such thing as a Palestinian people group. As the Bible states:

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. (Ephesians 6:12)

We can include the moon god Allah and Muhammad in this spiritual wickedness. It is plastered throughout the Koran and Hadith to hate and kill the Jews. Choosing a side is not difficult for me, and I believe this is still in effect:

And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed. (Genesis 12:3)

 

[Rick-Parker]

21 hours ago, Slibhin said:

My go-to solution to problems usually isn't ethnic cleansing and genocide.

Is that what you believe is really happening there? Where do you get your information from?

[Starise]

18 hours ago, believeinHim said:

I was unaware that the West associates ourselves with them? The government certainly doesn't. I know that the government does not view Palestine as an ally. People on the internet, and on true free speech platforms might talk with each other, and post things, But our government does not see Palestine as an ally.

Whether this is a good thing or not, I am unaware. I have not been to Palestine. I am afraid to go to any other country. Not sure it is in my calling as a being the Christian I am, as well as to my gender and what that has to say about it and me traveling to other countries. Not certain what all of that has to say about it. Or the other gender, for that matter.

I don't know what the Bible truly teaches about nation hopping and nation traveling. For either gender. 

Or did I misunderstand that? It is worded confusingly to me. Did I get that backwards from what you said? It is worded confusingly to me. 

While we had deal with the Saudis, I would not say we are an ally. China, Russia and sections of the middle east are together.The west has NATO. America is aligned with Israel. They sometmes have two faces in this.

If God leads a person to another nation they should go. I will be going to Japan for a short 3 week stint. Who knows where else I might end up.

[Sower]

1 hour ago, Starise said:

I will be going to Japan for a short 3 week stint.

                 "Sayonara......tanoshimu" 

[Marathoner]

1 hour ago, Starise said:

While we had deal with the Saudis, I would not say we are an ally. China, Russia and sections of the middle east are together.The west has NATO. America is aligned with Israel. They sometmes have two faces in this.

If God leads a person to another nation they should go. I will be going to Japan for a short 3 week stint. Who knows where else I might end up.

Prepare yourself for culture shock, my friend. You'll understand what I mean the moment you depart from your flight. 

[Neighbor]

Hi all, Interesting  thoughts by all of course. More than interesting in that what is happening affects us, as well as all the people more directly involved in the massive destruction that is going on.

Is it genocide?  Seems the result will be a genocide. Hard to think that  a cluster of over a million people denied food water and a piece of earth to set one's feet is not a genocide.

There have been many a genocide, it doesn't seem to stop,  though in general the Jews of WWII are quickly identified as the great genocide victims.

Whole countries and nations have been wiped off the face of earth many times in the past. Plagues and starvations due to political matters and policies have killed many millions more than died in Europe  during WWII.

To think this genocidal appearing action is not polite enough by today's warring standards is a bit of a farce. Of course it is not polite. What it may be and may result in is an excess, a revenge that offends God greatly. 

Those that have taken personal revenge to heart in the past have not fared all that well according to scripture.

The situation is a tough one  (Obviously). Pray for the peace of Jerusalem.

p.s.- Still, there are no Palestinians. The land belongs to Israel by way  of the oldest recorded land grant.

Nonetheless to the victor go the spoils.

Final victory is in Jesus.  Maranatha

[FJK]

6 minutes ago, Neighbor said:

Is it genocide?  Seems the result will be a genocide.

Genocide is a deliberate attempt to a people or religion.

Are you suggesting that Israel is in the process of deliberately attempting to destroy Gaza and the Gazans?

And why would that be the case when they seem to be trying to avoid non Hamas casualties to the greatest degree possible during their war against Hamas.?

Fighting to defeat an enemy that has attacked you during a war is not genocide.  If it were every war that has ever been conducted would be genocide, which makes "genocide" a ridiculously meaningless term, just an epithet to throw out against another party to rally public opinion against him.

[Neighbor]

1 hour ago, FJK said:

Fighting to defeat an enemy that has attacked you during a war is not genocide.  If it were every war that has ever been conducted would be genocide, which makes "genocide" a ridiculously meaningless term, just an epithet to throw out against another party to rally public opinion against him.

I can only ask; Is the goal to wipe out every member of Hamas or to defeat Hamas? Call it what you will, warring that  eliminates whole populations whether civilian or uniformed militants seems to fit a definition of genocide to me.

"Gen·o·cide

/ˈjenəˌsīd/

noun

1.the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group:"a campaign of genocide" "

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From The Times Of Israel ; "

Oct. 17, 2023. (AP/Maya Alleruzzo, Pool)

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s office has issued a statement, apparently in response to Hebrew media reports this evening suggesting that Israel is weighing the idea of having the Palestinian Authority again rule the Gaza Strip once Israel succeeds in its goal of toppling Hamas.

“Prime Minister Netanyahu defined the goal: the elimination of Hamas. All talk of decisions to hand over the Gaza Strip to the Palestinian Authority or any other party is a lie,” the statement reads."

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The elimination not the containment not the reform of, but the elimination. Seems a plan for genocide to me. 

And the world is accepting it Egypt is putting ip a wall to prevent escape of the residents of the Gaza strip. They are about to die  without water food shelter. Seems pretty much genocide to me.

Not the first not the last, but genocide? Yes it is. If there was mercy there would be escape provided into Israel itself for  "innocents"  or civilians. even if into  concentrated locale  camps, with food and water and shelter. Personally I do not think there are innocents as the ideology of the people does not appear to allow for it; outsiders being classified as infidels.

It's a harsh world under the prince of the air. 

Maranatha.

 

[Neighbor]

10 hours ago, Renskedejonge said:

I put my kids on a mixed multi culti school with a lot of muslems. They were very friendly.

 

I had multiple Muslim tenants in my apartment units too. They paid the rent. (One couple did so for five years adding a kid each year! )  Place was trashed but hey five kids in an apartment. oy vey!

9/11 changed things, local muslims cheered the destruction, others plotted further destruction. The risks, the simmering hatreds  no longer repressed, and now the active conflicts, have changed the reality of the day. For some long time now our local body  no longer are welcomed to meet with the local Muslim leadership for discussions as we used to be able to do, things have changed. It is a hard place this earth.