In this modern civilization, if a religion offers you a promised land but you need to kill all inhabitants already there, will you believe it ?

[R. Hartono]

8 hours ago, TrueFollowerOfChrist said:

No one should ever kill in the name of religion. That sounds really dumb to me. However if like the ancient Israelites God commanded me to execute Justice on a evil pagan oppressive Nation, and I knew 100% that the command was from God I would absolutely obey it without hesitation.

God could send all Egyptian plagues to banish those gentiles from Canaan instead of using men to kill them.

@Jayne

[Who me]

On 3/23/2024 at 3:45 AM, R. Hartono said:

Like history shows the medieval European kingdoms colonized and killed and robbed the other parts of the world, and established their government in the name of God. 

Which medieval kingdoms did this where?

 

A blanket unspecified charge like this is valueless.

It certainly shows how little you know of european history.

Most kingdoms where to occupied with either internal power struggles or external wars.

Spain had a long war with the muslim kingdoms in Spain, states in Germany under the tutonic kights waged a war of expansion into Germany, Lithuania and Poland.

Poland and the southern countries in eastern erope fought against mulim expansion, and against the slavic states in Russa.

 

It is only the crusades that can be claimed to be a colonial war and even that was the result of muslim aggression.

[NConly]

On 3/24/2024 at 5:15 AM, R. Hartono said:

escaped

why use this word?

[Jayne]

On 3/24/2024 at 6:35 PM, R. Hartono said:

God could send all Egyptian plagues to banish those gentiles from Canaan instead of using men to kill them.

@Jayne

ALL of the "Egyptian plagues" did not destroy Egypt or "banish" Egypt or their peoples.  The Egyptian plagues were for convincing Egypt to let Israel go.  Egypt is still here to this very day.  The plagues did not destroy them.

And the plagues of Egypt would not have banished the people of the land of Canaan.  Besides, it wasn't about "banishing" them.  They had 600 years to repent, most did not, but some did and it was time for the wrath of God to consume them.

Brother, if all you see of God is that he is violent,  full of wrath,  and hostile, you have MISSED the whole point of these stories.

The problem, and God spelled it out many times, was that after 600 years of giving them time to repent, these people were SO ungodly and their "religious" practices were so gross and creepy and of the devil, that God did not want them influencing HIS people.

And he explained that to the people of Israel.  More than once.  God EXPLAINED that they must be destroyed to stop the evil idolatry.  Unfortunately, Israel did not destroy them all and evil practices DID come into the lives of God's people.

God did not use plagues as the people of Israel would not have paid attention to that.

He asked THEM to destroy them and that way attention was drawn to the idolatry of these people and Israel could understand that.

 

It was about 

[R. Hartono]

5 hours ago, Jayne said:

ALL of the "Egyptian plagues" did not destroy Egypt or "banish" Egypt or their peoples.  The Egyptian plagues were for convincing Egypt to let Israel go.  Egypt is still here to this very day.  The plagues did not destroy them.

And the plagues of Egypt would not have banished the people of the land of Canaan.  Besides, it wasn't about "banishing" them.  They had 600 years to repent, most did not, but some did and it was time for the wrath of God to consume them.

Brother, if all you see of God is that he is violent,  full of wrath,  and hostile, you have MISSED the whole point of these stories.

The problem, and God spelled it out many times, was that after 600 years of giving them time to repent, these people were SO ungodly and their "religious" practices were so gross and creepy and of the devil, that God did not want them influencing HIS people.

And he explained that to the people of Israel.  More than once.  God EXPLAINED that they must be destroyed to stop the evil idolatry.  Unfortunately, Israel did not destroy them all and evil practices DID come into the lives of God's people.

God did not use plagues as the people of Israel would not have paid attention to that.

He asked THEM to destroy them and that way attention was drawn to the idolatry of these people and Israel could understand that.

Thats quite an explanation Jayne thanks.

But God could destroy them completely like Sodom instead of asking the Hebrew and they failed.

[other one]

13 minutes ago, R. Hartono said:

Thats quite an explanation Jayne thanks.

But God could destroy them completely like Sodom instead of asking the Hebrew and they failed.

That was the problem.  God seemed to want them so show him they would do what he told them to do. They did not do what they were told for selfish reasons.

To answer your question, if God told me to go somewhere and cleans an area, I would be obligated to do so for I've declared him as my Lord.  I personally can't see him doing that for any reason, though.

[Jayne]

1 hour ago, R. Hartono said:

Thats quite an explanation Jayne thanks.

But God could destroy them completely like Sodom instead of asking the Hebrew and they failed.

It is what it is.  Or was what it was.  All of that is and was God's business.

Sodom  and Gomorrah were destroyed utterly and completely.  NOTHING and NO ONE left.  God saved many of the people in the land of Canaan.  LIke Rahab.  Like the Gibeonites.  And more. 

He couldn't do that if he destroyed them like Sodom and  Gomorrah.