Jesus coming on a white horse in Revelation 19 is not the second coming

[JoeCanada]

18 minutes ago, Marilyn C said:

It is when the Lord comes a second time to the earth. He comes symbolically on a while horse with His angelic army also.

Horse - power,

White - light, glory.

Jesus comes in power and great glory.

If "horse" (ippos in Greek) equals power,  as you have written, then the angel who calls out to the birds of the air to assemble for the great supper of God, that you may eat the flesh of "horses".... 'ippos'.... same word as Jesus' horse...so the birds are going to eat 'power' ???

The angel is quite clear in saying "eat the flesh of horses".... as well as the flesh of kings and commanders, the flesh of mighty men, the flesh of the riders on the horses (and the horses), and the flesh of all men both free men and slaves, and small and great.........Rev 19:17-19

The "birds" that the angel gathers is not symbolic of anything. It's a bird, a fowl, a carrion bird. It eats literal flesh. 

[Marilyn C]

1 hour ago, JoeCanada said:

If "horse" (ippos in Greek) equals power,  as you have written, then the angel who calls out to the birds of the air to assemble for the great supper of God, that you may eat the flesh of "horses".... 'ippos'.... same word as Jesus' horse...so the birds are going to eat 'power' ???

The angel is quite clear in saying "eat the flesh of horses".... as well as the flesh of kings and commanders, the flesh of mighty men, the flesh of the riders on the horses (and the horses), and the flesh of all men both free men and slaves, and small and great.........Rev 19:17-19

The "birds" that the angel gathers is not symbolic of anything. It's a bird, a fowl, a carrion bird. It eats literal flesh. 

Jesus as the Lamb is symbolic, and there is a real lamb.

Jesus as the Rock is symbolic and there is a real rock.

Jesus with the two-edged sword out of His mouth is symbolic and there is a real sword.

Jesus on a horse is symbolic and there is a real horse. 

[WilliamL]

On 5/1/2024 at 11:20 AM, JoeCanada said:

I don't believe I used any scripture that says "second coming"

There are numerous places in scripture that say that Jesus is coming again..... or do you not believe that?

Acts 1:11...... "Men of Galillee, why do you stand looking into the sky? This Jesus, who has been taken up from you into heaven, will come in just the same way as you have watched Him go into heaven"

"Will come"..... Jesus came once and was crucified.... so He will come again...... or second coming.

1 Thes 3:13...... " so that He may establish your hearts without blame in holiness before our God and Father at the coming of our Lord Jesus with all His saints"

"at the coming"..... second coming obviously

Obvious to you, maybe. But the actual second coming of Jesus to earth took place the evening of the day He first ascended to heaven.

The problem with using this phrase is that it means different things to difference people, so causes confusion, the devil's playground. For example, some people say that the second coming is different than the rapture, while others say they are the same thing. So for starters, how do you define it?

[JoeCanada]

21 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

Jesus as the Lamb is symbolic, and there is a real lamb.

Jesus as the Rock is symbolic and there is a real rock.

Jesus with the two-edged sword out of His mouth is symbolic and there is a real sword.

Jesus on a horse is symbolic and there is a real horse. 

what are you meaning by this?

[Revelation Man]

On 4/29/2024 at 12:51 PM, JoeCanada said:

The second coming IS the FIRST time that Jesus returns in great glory and power - He can only do that ONE time. But..... He can return more than once. It's the difference between a return and a coming.

For starters, you take one word (2 words) or phrase and totally misapplied it. The Second Coming term is rarely used in the bible, it usually just says coming, we added in the part referred unto as "2nd" ourselves. Read John 20, Jesus went to the Father, offered the Sacrifice and returned with the gift of the holy spirit. Jesus told Mary not to touch him for he had yet to ascend unto the Father, yet when the Disciples saw him 8 days later, Jesus told doubting Thomas to touch his wounds. 

It should be seen as the Second Avent not the "Second Coming". 

The Second Advent does not have to preclude Jesus returning unto this earth many many times. People of your persuasion on this, in my opinion, conflate this and then your whole thesis is marred by a misconception. Its not about Jesus' second return to earth, its about his second publicly seen stay, the first was a 33 year venture which led to a lamb being led to a sacrificial event as a Meek Lamb. The second will be Jesus' 1000 year reign on this earth as the Lion of Judah. All, this second coming, as John 20 proves, is just a bad perception of events. Jesus was the Man in Linen in Dan. 12, he was the Rock in the Desert that Israel followed, he was the burning Bush Moses saw, he was the man Abraham called Lord in Gen. 18 & 19 and on and on. Jesus comes to earth many, many many times. 

Matt. 24:30-31 is the Second Advent starting point. Matt. 24:36-51 is the pre 70th week rapture. As in the days of Noah they will be giving in marriage, partying, eating the fatted calf so to speak, but then just like when the floods came, it all changes, this can not happen during the 70th week, God's plagues will be falling, so why would these men of earth by acting in a normal fashion when Billion of Human Beings are being judged and killed by God? You see, NOTHING but a Pre 70th week (Pre Trib.) Rapture fits all the timeline narratives. 

The whole "HE CAN ONLY DO THAT ONE MORE TIME" is just you and others not understanding that its you and other men who have placed that "restraint or tag line on Jesus" not God. 

On 4/29/2024 at 12:51 PM, JoeCanada said:

In Revelation 19, at the end of Revelation, Jesus descends from heaven riding a white horse, accompanied by heavens armies. Where is the horse in Matt 24?

Where is the Anti-Christs White Horse? See why deeper analytical thinking always give us the true answers? I always try to follow the truth to its ends, I do not try to justify my own thoughts and understandings, its so easy to get caught up in that, I used to do it, find just the right bible translation to make my thoughts and understandings seem to FIT....I quit that a long time ago.

Since both the Anti-Christ and Jesus "Rides a White Horse" its SYMBOLIC of a Conqueror and that was a real symbol in old times anyway, conquering kings were usually painted as being on a white horse. Likewise Satan's Anti-Christ does not ride a Red, Black or Pale Green horse either. Why would Jesus need to ride a white horse to come to earth? Did he depart on a white horse? after being called unto End Time Prophetic Understandings right at 40 years ago it still amazes me that people refuse to grasp the language God is speaking unto us in. Codes, Symbology and Metaphors, that is why the Jewish leaders 2000 years ago could not understand nor see Jesus as being their Messiah when they saw him, they were looking for a Conquering King, and he had to come out of Egypt but also be born in Bethlehem, so God does this on purpose.

LIKEWISE, I see the place the A.C. is born (Dan. 8:9 MANDATES Greece) I see where he rising to Political Power (Dan. 7:7-8) in the Fourth Beasts Head amongst the 10 (Complete Europe Reunited) horns AND I also see this man must have Assyrian Blood (Isaiah 10). Now, whereas I see all these in a MESHED UP MAN, others argue he has to be Muslim (Syrian......they don't even understand it means Old Assyria or Iraq and Turkey mostly) some therefore say he arises in Turkey or in Babylon et al. Some say he's Jewish (which makes zero sense) et al. But the truth is, just like the Bethlehem/Egypt verses, this is easy stuff once we slow down, take off our colored glasses and look at all the facts, he must be born in Greece into a family who has Turkish/Iraqi roots but migrated to Greece, and he then arises to power in the E.U. since being born in Greece makes you an E.U. Citizen.🕵️‍It's Elementary my dear Watson. 

On 4/29/2024 at 12:51 PM, JoeCanada said:

The Seal Trumpet and Bowl judgments have 21 events between them, each one having 7.... 7 seals, 7 trumpets, 7 bowls.

 

Seven Trumps are the only Judgments, that's why 7 = Divine Completion not 21.

Finish the rest later...............you will not be able to rebut, so you may start another thread. 

 

 

Edited May 3, 2024 by Revelation Man

[JoeCanada]

4 hours ago, WilliamL said:

On 5/1/2024 at 10:20 AM, JoeCanada said:

1 Thes 3:13...... " so that He may establish your hearts without blame in holiness before our God and Father at the coming of our Lord Jesus with all His saints"

"at the coming"..... second coming obviously

Obvious to you, maybe

If you don't want to believe that it's the second coming, well, that's ok. The Greek term is "Parousia" which is a coming or presence, but I don't really need to tell you this. Whether its actually a "second" coming (presence) or a third, forth or whatever, it will be His established presence..... forever.  

 

4 hours ago, WilliamL said:

The problem with using this phrase is that it means different things to difference people, so causes confusion

If the phrase " second coming" causes confusion to 'some' people, perhaps its because they're not all too familiar with scripture. I don't know.......  I'm just guessing. I think the term "second coming of Jesus" is a rather universally recognized and accepted term/phrase.

 

4 hours ago, WilliamL said:

some people say that the second coming is different than the rapture, while others say they are the same thing. So for starters, how do you define it?

The rapture is secondary to the resurrection. The resurrection happens first, and then the rapture..... 1 Thes 4:15

I believe Matthew 24:29-31 is the same as Paul's teaching in 1 Thes 4:15-17.......

We, as students of the bible, have to look at the whole council of God, all the relevant scriptures.... not just a few cherry picked ones. There are many more than Matt 24 and 1 Thes.... but I'm sure you know them.

So, yes, I believe that Scripture teaches that the "parousia" is equated with the resurrection and then the rapture

[JoeCanada]

18 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

For starters, you take one word (2 words) or phrase and totally misapplied it. The Second Coming term is rarely used in the bible, it usually just says coming, we added in the part referred unto as "2nd" ourselves. Read John 20, Jesus went to the Father, offered the Sacrifice and returned with the gift of the holy spirit. Jesus told Mary not to touch him for he had yet to ascend unto the Father, yet when the Disciples saw him 8 days later, Jesus told doubting Thomas to touch his wounds. 

It should be seen as the Second Avent not the "Second Coming". 

The Second Advent does not have to preclude Jesus returning unto this earth many many times. People of your persuasion on this, in my opinion, conflate this and then your whole thesis is marred by a misconception. Its not about Jesus second return to earth, its about his second publicly seen stay, the first was a 33 year venture which led to a lamb being led to a sacrificial event as a Meek Lamb. The second will be Jesus' 1000 year reign on this earth as the Lion of Judah. All, this second coming, as John 20 proves, is just a bad perception of events. Jesus was the Man in Linen in Dan. 12, he was the Rock in the Desert that Israel followed, he was the man Abraha called Lord in Gen. 18 & 19 and on and on. Jesus comes to earth many, many many times. 

Matt. 24:30-31 is the Second Advent starting point. Matt. 24:36-51 is the pre 70th week rapture. As in the days of Noah they will be giving in marriage, parting, eating the fatted calf so to speak, but then just like when the floods came, it all changes, this can not happen during the 70th week, God's plagues will be falling, so why would these men of earth by acting in a normal fashion  when Billion of Human Beings are bein g judged and killed by God? You see, NOTHING but a Pre 70th week (Pre Trib.) Rapture fits all the timeline narratives. 

The whole "HE CAN ONLY DO THAT ONE MORE TIME" is just you and others not understanding that its you and other men who have placed that "restraint on Jesus" not God. 

Where is the Anti-Christs White Horse? See why deeper analytical thinking always give us the true answers? I always try to follow the truth to its ends, I do not try to justify my own thoughts and understandings, its so easy to get caught up in that, I used to do it, find just the right bible translation to make my thought FIT....I quit that a long time ago.

Since both the Anti-Christ and Jesus "Rides a White Horse" its SYMBOLIC of a Conqueror and that was a real symbol in old times anyway, conquering kings were usually painted as being on a white horse. Likewise Satan does not ride a Red, Black or Pale Green horse either. Why would Jesus need to ride a white horse to come to earth? Did he depart on a white horse? after being called unto End Time Prophetic Understandings right at 40 years ago it still amazes me that people refuse to grasp the language God is speaking unto us in. Codes, Symbology and Metaphors, that is why the Jewish leaders 2000 years ago could not understand Jesus when they saw him, they looked for the Conquering King, and he had to come out of Egypt but also be born in Bethlehem, so God does this on purpose, LIKEWISE, I see the place the A.C. is born (Dan. 8:9 MANDATES Greece) I see where he rising to Political Power (Dan. 7:7-8) in the Fourth Beasts Head amongst the 10 (Complete Europe Reunited) horns AND I also see this man must have Assyrian Blood (Isaiah 10). Now, whereas I see all these in a MESHED UP MAN, other argue he has to be Muslim (Syrian......they don't even understand it means Old Assyria or Iraq and Turkey mostly) some therefore say he arises i  Turkey or in Babylon et al. Some say hes Jewish (which makes zero sense) et al. But the truth is, just like the Bethlehem/Egypt verses, this is easy stuff once we slow down, take off our colored glasses and look at all the facts, he must be born in Greece to a man who has Turkish/Iraqi family roots but migrated to Greece, and he then arises to power in the E.U. since being born in Greece makes you an E.U. Citizen.🕵️‍♀️It's Elementary my dear Watson. 

Seven Trumps are the only Judgments, that's why 7 = Divine Completion not 21.

Finish the rest later...............you will nr be able to rebut, so you may start another thread. 

 

 

You da man.... Rev man!

[JoeCanada]

19 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

Seven Trumps are the only Judgments, that's why 7 = Divine Completion not 21.

Right.... and the 7 bowls are not judgment???

7 = divine completion.... 7 bowls???

7 = divine completion.... 7 seals???

According to your theory.... only the 7 trumps are divine completion???

 

[Revelation Man]

12 hours ago, JoeCanada said:

Right.... and the 7 bowls are not judgment???

 

The  7 Vials EMIT from the 7th Trump, so they are the Divine Completion (7) of God's Divine Wrath (7 Trumps) and Rev. 15 says just that, but by using that very verse many conflate it as saying only the 7 Vials are God's wrath, men sure do mix things up don't we?

Rev. 15:1 And I saw another sign in heaven(This SHOWS all the Rev. 12 sign being in HEAVEN Prophecy stuff in 2017 was mostly just malarky, LOL), great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God.

Are all three Woes Judgments? Yes, and they come from the final Three Trumps as Rev. 8:13 says. If the 7 Vials emit from the 7th Trump, and they do, then the 7 Trumps IN and OF THEMSELVES contain the full Wrath of God. There could be 40 Trumps, if the Last Trump brings us a Woe and that woe was 20 Vials, it would still mean that all of Gods Wrath came from the 40 Trumps. See my point brother?

12 hours ago, JoeCanada said:

According to your theory.... only the 7 trumps are divine completion???

 

According to facts in the bible, the 7 Seals are not Judgments, and NOWHERE do we see Angels bringing Judgments, we only see the covering Beasts with Jesus in heaven saying COME AND SEE.........COME AND SEE...........COME AND SEE, its visions of the future.

The 7 Vials emit from  the 7th Trump, they are the 3rd Woe.

Edited May 3, 2024 by Revelation Man

[Marilyn C]

5 hours ago, JoeCanada said:

what are you meaning by this?

I`m meaning that not every mention of a horse is symbolic. Jesus on a white horse with a sword out of His mouth is symbolic. And the birds feasting on the flesh of horses is real.