For us, every day is the Sabbath

[PATrobas]

3 hours ago, AdHoc said:

I think we are drawing closer. Perhaps an example will help.

A "garment" in parable is one's works (Rev.19:7-8). So the carefully crafted ephod of Aaron is not his. he did not make it. But he has a very specific day when he may put it on. It is the Day of Atonement and it is to cover his nakedness with a garment up to God's standard. When Aaron dies his successor will not take this garment to swim in, to play tennis in or to sleep in. It is made for one thing - that he survivve the audience witha most Holy God on the Day of Atonement.

After leaving the Holy of Holies Aron strips off the Ephod and pt on HIS garment - a shirt ans skirt of pure Egyptian cotton. But alas .... in the making of this garment Aaron accidentally mixed some wool and about 2% of the garment is wool. He is struck dead. He broke Leviticus 19:19 and Deuteronomy 22:11. How is it that Aaron can survive a fearsome and dangerous God in the place between the Cherubim, but 15 minutes later he is dead over some wool. But suppose Aaron liked his mixed garment and, knowing that it was UNRIGHTEOUS to wear it, put on the Ephod t protect himself. Would he survive?

He would not survive because the Ephod is for another occasion. No provision is made for the Ephod to protect anybody outside of the Holy of Holies. For all its beauty the Ephod is not made for battle either.

In the Holy of Holies no other garment is effective in putting Aaron on the right sanding before God.

In his daily life it is not the Ephod which keeps him alive but adhering to the Law of Moses.

In Numbers 20 Aaron dies. What happened? His garments were not enough to stop God exacting retribution for Meribah. He did nothing wrong in the Holy of Holies, but in his daily life he angered God and was judged. The garment made by another saved him. His own garment failed. How come Caleb did not die in the wilderness? He had no Ephod, but he DID that which was pleasing to God.

Well, I think we've read each other and are probably closer than we think though perhaps from different backgrounds. We both agree that our +R is from Christ. Since we are in Him and belong to Him, we want to serve and love Him [good works/righteous acts]. We will be rewarded at the Bema seat for good/righteous works and suffer loss for wood, hay and stubble works [things done in our own efforts or for selfish reasons]. My weakness is the O.T. application. My strong is N.T. doctrine. Thanks for the banter.

For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. Eph2:10

 

[JohnD]

The church age is essentially the sabbath age.

 

[Mr. M]

7 hours ago, JohnD said:

The church age is essentially the sabbath age.

 

Then what is the Millennial Age?

Is not that the 7th?

"There remains a rest for the people of God."

In the Age of Grace, we are instructed to

"labor to enter into that rest", for the 

Kingdom must be "entered forcefully."

This is what results from the banal definition

of Grace as "the unmerited favor of God";

rather than:

2 Corinthians 9:8 And God is able to make all grace abound toward you, that you, always having all sufficiency in all things, may have an abundance for every good work.

We are instructed throughout the apostolic

doctrine to apply Grace by faith to perform

the work that is God ordained, not our own

interpretation, or works of Law, whether 

it be the Law of Moses or traditions of men.

We are His workmanship, ordained for good works

that require obedience. Of course the free Grace 

crowd insists I am teaching works based salvation.

The most notorious quote Ephesians 2:8 & 9,

while purposefully omitting v. 10:

10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.

THAT is Grace by faith, the working of the Holy Spirit

through God's children in Christ who OBEY.

When I was doing Rescue Mission work,

5 to 9, not 9-5 was common, but I never

grew weary, and when my head hit the pillow

at 10, I was out like a light. I had never experienced

that in my life. I had entered into His rest, 

because I had ceased, albeit temporarily, 

from my own labor. Even when I was on

the submarines and went to bed after 36

hours straight troubleshooting and repairing

a faulted system, I tossed and turned when

I finally hit the bed. And no, I did not drink 

coffee in my 20's.

Psalm 127:2 It is vain for you to rise up early,
To sit up late,
To eat the bread of sorrows;
For so He gives His beloved sleep.

The world eats "the bread of sorrow",

by "burning candles at both ends".

The work of the Lord, even on days

of greatest testing, (which was almost daily),

always found joy in the morning. 

John 4:38 I sent you to reap that for which

you have not labored; others have labored,

and you have entered into their labors.

There must be continuity in Christ through 

the work of faithful men and women..

2 Timothy 2:2 And the things that you have heard

from me among many witnesses, commit these to

faithful men who will be able to teach others also.

We either teach the same thing the apostles

taught, or we teach traditions of men by extracting

from their writings, line by line, precept by precept,

here a little there a little...

 

Edited September 3, 2024 by Mr. M

[BibleStudent100]

On 8/30/2024 at 11:38 AM, PATrobas said:

He provided physical rest one day a week, to teach him to rest in Him spiritually every day.

Nicely stated Pat.  We need timely reminders to help us appreciate the importance of placing spiritual interests higher than physical pursuits! 

Regarding the creation of the Labor Day celebration, it was brought to existence because of the industrial revolution that brought new machines that ran continuously, with the result that factory owners often expected their employees to work up to 16 hours every day except Sundays. In an effort to improve the lives of workers, a federation of trade and labor unions in the United States and Canada called for an eight-hour workday beginning on May 1, 1886. For the most part, employers refused to grant this, so on the first of May, thousands of workers went on strike.  Many additional strikes and labor movement action was engaged over the following  decades to improve our working lives.  We should be eternally grateful for the sacrifices of our American ancestors so that we have the labor rights we have today, such as the 40 hour work week and over-time pay, etc.  

Still, corporate greed, being what it is, continues to try to work us all to excessive levels in other ways than in the factory (think, taking work home via remote work, etc.).

[AdHoc]

11 hours ago, PATrobas said:

Well, I think we've read each other and are probably closer than we think though perhaps from different backgrounds. We both agree that our +R is from Christ. Since we are in Him and belong to Him, we want to serve and love Him [good works/righteous acts]. We will be rewarded at the Bema seat for good/righteous works and suffer loss for wood, hay and stubble works [things done in our own efforts or for selfish reasons]. My weakness is the O.T. application. My strong is N.T. doctrine. Thanks for the banter.

For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. Eph2:10

 

Why ... thank you too. Most of us on this Forum are seeking the truth. It just takes time. In the meantime let us be One.

[Cntrysner]

On 9/2/2024 at 8:06 AM, debrakay said:

At at 70, every day is a sabbath for me.  I retired in 2021, husband died in 2022, 2023 was pretty much a blur, same with most of 2024, so Labor Day means nothing to me, except I will not have to walk down to the mailbox.

Now you men can continue with your conversation regarding Labor day. 

Well said, God wants us to enter into His rest and the every day sabbath is ours.

Heb 4:10  For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

Edited September 3, 2024 by Cntrysner

[farouk]

The Lord Jesus at the Resurrection became the firstfruits of them that slept (1 Corinthians 15.20) and it makes no sense to go back to the types and shadows when the fullness of revelation of Him and His work have been manifested.

 

cc @angels4u

Edited September 3, 2024 by farouk

[angels4u]

19 minutes ago, Cntrysner said:

Well said, God wants us to enter into His rest and the every day sabbath is ours.

Heb 4:10  For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

Yes! Jesus is our rest!

[Marathoner]

11 minutes ago, farouk said:

The Lord Jesus at the Resurrection became the firstfruits of them that slept (1 Corinthians 15.20) and it makes no sense to go back to the types and shadows when the fullness of revelation of Him and His work have been manifested.

Exactly. We recall how the veil in the second temple was torn in half (Matthew 27:51) after our Lord breathed His last on the cross. This is the fulfillment of numerous prophecies recorded in Old Testament scripture and testifies how His work is more than sufficient for the forgiveness of sin. 

The Lord no longer hides (veils) His face from those who seek Him. The significance of that veil is manifold, symbolizing separation between man and God. Moses veiled his face because the people could not bear to look at his face without fear. The Lord spoke to people through His prophets, but everything changed when the Son of Man perished on the cross:

The Spirit speaks to all men, convicting them of their rebellion and evil deeds (John 16). He spoke to me, which is how I came to Christ who called me. The tearing of the veil heralded that. 

[Mr. M]

45 minutes ago, Marathoner said:

Exactly. We recall how the veil in the second temple was torn in half (Matthew 27:51) after our Lord breathed His last on the cross. This is the fulfillment of numerous prophecies recorded in Old Testament scripture and testifies how His work is more than sufficient for the forgiveness of sin. 

The Lord no longer hides (veils) His face from those who seek Him. The significance of that veil is manifold, symbolizing separation between man and God. Moses veiled his face because the people could not bear to look at his face without fear. The Lord spoke to people through His prophets, but everything changed when the Son of Man perished on the cross:

The Spirit speaks to all men, convicting them of their rebellion and evil deeds (John 16). He spoke to me, which is how I came to Christ who called me. The tearing of the veil heralded that. 

Glory of the New Covenant

7 But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away, 

8 how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious? 

9 For if the ministry of condemnation had glory, the ministry of righteousness exceeds much more in glory. 

10 For even what was made glorious had no glory in this respect, because of the glory that excels. 

11 For if what is passing away was glorious, what remains is much more glorious.

12 Therefore, since we have such hope, we use great boldness of speech— 

13 unlike Moses, who put a veil over his face so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the end of what was passing away. 

14 But their minds were blinded. For until this day the same veil remains unlifted in the reading of the Old Testament, because the veil is taken away in Christ. 

15 But even to this day, when Moses is read, a veil lies on their heart. 

16 Nevertheless when one turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. 

17 Now the Lord is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. 

18 But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as by the Spirit of the Lord.