Has the 70th week of Daniel begun?

[Triton57]

3 hours ago, The Light said:

Enjoyed the detail on your post. The chart was hard to read though. 

I don't think Day 7 is the start of the Day of the Lord. I think Day 7 is the start of the Millennial kingdom. The Day of the Lord begins at the 5th seal and is one year long.

Yes, usually the charts are difficult to understand, I run into that all the time with the complicated charts people put together. There's a lot packed into it that isn't explained within the chart or my post. I've found it very difficult to express the detail without going into detail.

I can't say I'm right on any of it, including the 7th day being the day of the Lord, but it's based on several elements of scripture.

2 Peter 3:8-13
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day [is] with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. [Seeing] then [that] all these things shall be dissolved, what manner [of persons] ought ye to be in [all] holy conversation and godliness, Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

If the day of the Lord is 1,000 years and the concept of 6 days of creation and 1 day of rest parallels with God contending with man for 6 days and 1 day of rest in the 1,000 years principle, then it would seem that the statement that the heavens will pass away in the same day of the Lord that comes like a thief in the night would imply a 1,000 year day of the Lord.

Revelation 21:1-2
And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

It's after the great white throne judgement at the end of the Messianic Kingdom when the heavens and earth are destroyed and the new heavens and new earth are created. So if the heavens pass away "in the which" of the day of the Lord that comes as a thief in the night, which is tied to Christ's return with sudden destruction, then it would follow that the day of the Lord is in the context of the 1,000 years as a day. Admittedly, it is after the 3.5 years that the 1,000 years begins so it's difficult to be too dogmatic about it, the 1 day/1,000 years may not be an exact science, but 3.5 years in relation to 1,000 years is also not a very large part of it. I think it's plausible that only the first 3.5 years that begin the day of the Lord are the dark period of the wrath of God that turns into the Messianic Kingdom.

Genesis 2:17
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Genesis 3:4-5
And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

Genesis 5:5
And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.

I think the same principle is seen in the statement of Adam's death for eating of the tree. Whether the serpent lied or not depends on whose perspective he was deceiving them from. In man's perspective, Adam surely did not die in the day that he ate of the fruit, but in God's day he did.

I think this same subtle deceptive nature of the Dragon is seen in the coming deception, twisting the Word of God to deceive. How did the God say the Messiah would come? Well He would be preceded by Elijah, be well-versed in Jewish law, and observant of its commandments, turn the hearts back to God, defeat Israel's enemies, build the temple, etc.

Christians understand according to the New Testament that this points to the Messianic Kingdom after the 70th week of Daniel, but the point of the week is to put Israel to proof in their blindness, to refine them, to make apparent the faithful of Israel and save them from those under the influence of the Dragon. The Dragon will be allowed, like he tested Job, to test God's people with a great deception prior to the actual fulfillment of the prophecies. I think the deception is so great because he will use his subtlety to pretend to lead Israel back to God only to hijack their faith by appearing to fulfill the Old Testament prophecies that just haven't come to pass yet. If Zechariah 13:8-9 is speaking to this division of God's people, then 2/3 will be cut of in unbelief and die and 1/3 will be refined through fire.

I always accepted the common narrative that this meant some outside nation had to persecute Israel for this to be true, but when you study the moedim and if Yom Kippur is the start of the day of the Lord, anyone whose soul is not afflicted is cut off from the people. If unfaithful Israel believes their messiah has come in the form of the false christ, they won't be afflicted, they will be jubilant. Meanwhile, they will purge all that is not holy, in their minds, from Judea and in the process turn against their own. Those who flee to the mountains during this time will be taken on wings of an eagle to the wilderness.

Similar to the Exodus, they will be leaving that great city, Sodom and Egypt, where the Lord was crucified, and escaping this time through the earth that will swallow up the Pharoah/Dragon's flood. They will escape for a time in the wilderness where God will woo them back to Himself and come out of the wilderness into the Promised Land where now Yeshua will be reigning from a rebuilt Jerusalem having defeated the Dragon who was persecuting them 3.5 years before.

What's crazy is if you take the exact-day prophecies of scripture and lay them out against the religious lunar calendar, you get the 30-day months with intercalary months to keep the seasons for first fruits. 1,260 days before Yom Kippur lands most of the time within a day of first fruits and 1,260 days after on Abib/Nisan 1. Add 45 days to that and you end up a month after Passover, Pesach Sheni. This was to allow those traveling or who touched dead bodies to celebrate Passover if they missed it.

Matthew 26:27-29
And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave [it] to them, saying, Drink ye all of it; For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.

Daniel 12:11-12
And from the time [that] the daily [sacrifice] shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, [there shall be] a thousand two hundred and ninety days. Blessed [is] he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

Revelation 19:9
And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed [are] they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.

1,335 days from 30 days before Yom Kippur lands many times on Pesach Sheni where intercalary months are not added. Could it be that the marriage supper of the Lamb falls on the second Passover in the year after the end of the 70th week of Daniel? I don't know, but it's a fascinating possibility.

[other one]

I haven't kept up with the thread very close but would just like to add that I hope we are at least getting very close to the 70th week or there may not be a whole lot left to participate in it.

[The Light]

6 hours ago, Triton57 said:

 

I can't say I'm right on any of it, including the 7th day being the day of the Lord, but it's based on several elements of scripture. 

I don't believe the 7th day is the Day of the Lord. We think the 7th day is the Day of the Lord because a day is as a thousand years and a thousand years is a day, and the 7th day is the 1000-year millennial kingdom. But the day is the Lord is a day of wrath and vengeance. It lasts one year. This scripture shows us that we are at the 6th seal.

Isaiah 34

4 And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree.

This scripture shows us the Day of the Lord, Gods wrath lasts one year.

Isaiah 34

8 For it is the day of the Lord's vengeance, and the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion.

There is no way that the millennial kingdom when the lion lies down with the lamb would be 1000 years of wrath. Look up any scripture about the "day of the Lord" and you will always find vengeance and destruction.

Isaiah 13

9 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.

6 hours ago, Triton57 said:

 

If the day of the Lord is 1,000 years and the concept of 6 days of creation and 1 day of rest parallels with God contending with man for 6 days and 1 day of rest in the 1,000 years principle, then it would seem that the statement that the heavens will pass away in the same day of the Lord that comes like a thief in the night would imply a 1,000 year day of the Lord.

I think if you read the above scriptures I posted, you will see this is not correct. I used to think the same thing

6 hours ago, Triton57 said:

I think it's plausible that only the first 3.5 years that begin the day of the Lord are the dark period of the wrath of God that turns into the Messianic Kingdom.

The Day of the Lord does not begin until the tribulation is over at the 6th seal. Not wrath, but tribulation. The day of the Lord is the 7th seal and contains both the trumpets and vials of wrath.

6 hours ago, Triton57 said:

 

1,335 days from 30 days before Yom Kippur lands many times on Pesach Sheni where intercalary months are not added. Could it be that the marriage supper of the Lamb falls on the second Passover in the year after the end of the 70th week of Daniel? I don't know, but it's a fascinating possibility.

The marriage supper of the Lamb will take place during the 70th week of Daniel.

The Lord comes for a harvest at the 6th seal. Then the great multitude is in heaven for the marriage supper. Then the 7th seal, Day of the Lord, one year day of wrath begins.

All believers will be in heaven for the marriage supper during the Day of the Lord, wrath of God.

Those from the nation of Israel that flee to a place of protection, will remain on the earth........protected from the wrath of God.

[douggg]

16 hours ago, Triton57 said:

What I expect to see starting the 70th week will be the arrival of an Elijah-like figure around Passover that will prepare the hearts of Israel to recognize the rise of an orthodox leader from the line of David in Israel as someone to whom they should listen to.

That Elijah-like figure (the false prophet of Revelation 13) may be the Yanuka, Rav Shlomo Yehuda. (You Tube videos)

The 70th week will not start until right after Gog/Magog.   Ezekiel 39:9, those 7 years are the same 7 years of Daniel 9:27.

 

 

[Vine Abider]

8 hours ago, other one said:

I haven't kept up with the thread very close but would just like to add that I hope we are at least getting very close to the 70th week or there may not be a whole lot left to participate in it.

And if that's true, then we might begin getting more understanding of what Daniel's visions were about exactly:  "But you, Daniel, roll up and seal the words of the scroll until the time of the end." "“Go your way, Daniel, because the words are rolled up and sealed until the time of the end."  Dan 12: 4 & 9

[Triton57]

16 hours ago, The Light said:

I don't believe the 7th day is the Day of the Lord. We think the 7th day is the Day of the Lord because a day is as a thousand years and a thousand years is a day, and the 7th day is the 1000-year millennial kingdom. But the day is the Lord is a day of wrath and vengeance. It lasts one year. This scripture shows us that we are at the 6th seal.

Isaiah 34

4 And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree.

This scripture shows us the Day of the Lord, Gods wrath lasts one year.

Isaiah 34

8 For it is the day of the Lord's vengeance, and the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion.

There is no way that the millennial kingdom when the lion lies down with the lamb would be 1000 years of wrath. Look up any scripture about the "day of the Lord" and you will always find vengeance and destruction.

Isaiah 13

9 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.

I absolutely agree the day of the Lord is God's wrath and destruction. However, there are other verses that also speak of the day of the Lord outside the scope of a year. I already mentioned 2 Peter 3:7-10, where the "day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up." The heavens will not pass away until after the great white throne judgement when death and hell are cast into the lake of fire and a new heavens and new earth are created. This would seem to indicate that the day of the Lord, correlated to 1,000 years in that same passage, is tied to both the sudden destruction at its beginning and the end of this heaven and earth after the Messianic Kingdom.

Zechariah 14:1-11
Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee. For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city. Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle. And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which [is] before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, [and there shall be] a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south. And ye shall flee [to] the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, [and] all the saints with thee. And it shall come to pass in that day, [that] the light shall not be clear, [nor] dark: But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, [that] at evening time it shall be light. And it shall be in that day, [that] living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be. And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one. All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin's gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and [from] the tower of Hananeel unto the king's winepresses. And [men] shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.

Joel 3:16-21
The LORD also shall roar out of Zion, and utter his voice from Jerusalem; and the heavens and the earth shall shake: but the LORD [will be] the hope of his people, and the strength of the children of Israel. So shall ye know that I [am] the LORD your God dwelling in Zion, my holy mountain: then shall Jerusalem be holy, and there shall no strangers pass through her any more. And it shall come to pass in that day, [that] the mountains shall drop down new wine, and the hills shall flow with milk, and all the rivers of Judah shall flow with waters, and a fountain shall come forth of the house of the LORD, and shall water the valley of Shittim. Egypt shall be a desolation, and Edom shall be a desolate wilderness, for the violence [against] the children of Judah, because they have shed innocent blood in their land. But Judah shall dwell for ever, and Jerusalem from generation to generation. For I will cleanse their blood [that] I have not cleansed: for the LORD dwelleth in Zion.

The first part of Joel 3 is the judgement of the nations, but in that same day is the depiction of the Messianic Kingdom following the judgement of the wrath of God.

Additionally, it is difficult to see all 7 trumpets, 7 thunders, and 7 bowls occurring within a one year period. The 5th trumpet is at least 5 months long and the 6th bowl is the drying of the Euphrates for the armies to come to battle the Lord at Jerusalem, and that's just two of the judgements.

I could be wrong, I just try to accept each passage as true and when putting them all together, find the way the language can be seen to make them all harmonize with each other. It's just where I'm at with my understanding of the day of the Lord starting with God's wrath, but primarily being Yeshua's reign on earth until the new heaven and new earth.

[The Light]

7 hours ago, Triton57 said:

I absolutely agree the day of the Lord is God's wrath and destruction. However, there are other verses that also speak of the day of the Lord outside the scope of a year.

And yet, the millennial kingdom is 1000 years and it cannot begin until the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord. That is when the millennial kingdom is set up..........after wrath.

Revelation 11

15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

7 hours ago, Triton57 said:

 

The first part of Joel 3 is the judgement of the nations, but in that same day is the depiction of the Messianic Kingdom following the judgement of the wrath of God.

Exactly. The millennial kingdom is set up at the 7th trumpet which occurs at the end of the one-year wrath of God.

Revelation 11

15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

7 hours ago, Triton57 said:

Additionally, it is difficult to see all 7 trumpets, 7 thunders, and 7 bowls occurring within a one year period. The 5th trumpet is at least 5 months long and the 6th bowl is the drying of the Euphrates for the armies to come to battle the Lord at Jerusalem, and that's just two of the judgements.

The trumpets, thunders, and bowls all occur during the one year wrath of God. The Euphrates is on its way to drying up now and it would not take much for this to happen. During the wrath of God the two witnesses will cause it not to rain during their prophecy so it won't take much for the Euphrates to dry up.

Revelation 11

6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

7 hours ago, Triton57 said:

I could be wrong, I just try to accept each passage as true and when putting them all together, find the way the language can be seen to make them all harmonize with each other. It's just where I'm at with my understanding of the day of the Lord starting with God's wrath, but primarily being Yeshua's reign on earth until the new heaven and new earth.

As I mentioned above, the millennial kingdom does not start until the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord. Therefore, it would not make sense for the millennial kingdom to be 1001 and one year and include Gods wrath.

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On 12/3/2024 at 7:43 AM, douggg said:

Does the text of Daniel 9:26 say...

 

On 12/3/2024 at 7:43 AM, douggg said:

26 And after threescore and two and a half weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

 

On 12/3/2024 at 7:43 AM, douggg said:

...no, it does not.

Dan 9:25, Says specifically the the Messiah arrives AFTER the 69th weeks has happened. 

Dan 9:26, Says that after the 69 weeks the Messiah is cut off, that happened, 3 1/2 years after the 70th week began.

So the 70th week could only, only, only be when Jesus came to Israel in 30 AD,

was cut off in 33 1/2 AD,

confirmed the covenant with Israel, Gal 3:17,

and the weeks ended when Israel the majority of Israel rejected the covenant.

It's very plain. 

Who told you that the 7 years of Dan 9, are the same as the 7 years after the Ezek 38-39 war? Where is the verse that ties them together? It can't stand that the reason is that they both talk of a seven year period, they are different events.

Is there any real reason that this could have not been fulfilled in the 1st century? Why is it necessary to say that it was not fulfilled and is future?  

These verses center on the time of Jesus, His death, and the results of rejecting the new covenant.

The timeline must be altered and a gap inserted to make it future.

If the prophecy lasts more than 490 years then the prophecy is false. 

 

On 12/3/2024 at 7:43 AM, douggg said:

Daniel 9:27 is that confirmation of the covenant for 7 years takes place - first...... to begin the 7 year 70th week. 

Yes, the 70th week begins when Messiah appears and begins to confirm the covenant.

If you say that the Antichrist comes at the beginning of the 70th week, then you have Jesus and the Antichrist coming at the same time in 30 AD.

 

On 12/3/2024 at 7:43 AM, douggg said:

Then in middle of the seven years, the prince that shall come will cause the sacrifice and oblation to cease,

Dan 9:25 says that the Messiah is the prince.

Did Jesus/God destroy Jerusalem in the first century? Yes.

Did Jesus/God cause the sacrifice and oblation to cease in the 1st century? Yes.

 

On 12/3/2024 at 7:43 AM, douggg said:

followed by abominations, making it (the temple) desolate.

Did Jesus make the temple and Jerusalem desolate after the covenant was broken by the majority of Israel? Yes.

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On 12/3/2024 at 7:51 AM, douggg said:

26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

 

On 12/3/2024 at 7:51 AM, douggg said:

Was Jesus a Roman ?  No, Jesus was a Jew.

Titus was a Roman, Jesus was a child of Israel.

But Jesus is more than just a Jew, He is God.

And what will God do to the majority of Israel who killed His Son and rejected His new covenant kingdom forgiveness?

Jesus/God will desolate them for their abominations. How will He do that?

Roman armies will be allowed to come and desolate 70 AD Jerusalem, after Jesus/God removes the covenant protection over them.

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The "people of the prince" in this context is Rome, as history shows.

This is one place that the meaning of the words has varied over 25 centuries.

Is it he ancestry of Jesus, Jews, or is it the people that the Prince/God/Jesus controls as in armies.

Time after time Israel is attacked by gentile armies when they reject God. Who brings those armies? God does. Who controls those armies? God does. Who brought Roman armies in 70 AD to desolate Jerusalem? God does.

The "people of the prince" are the Roman armies that Jesus/God brought to Jerusalem to desolate the temple, just as He had said that He would.

Jesus/God did not bring a Jewish army to destroy Jerusalem, as if the armies were of the ancestry of Jesus,

Jesus/God brought the armies that He controls, as they are people under His control, the armies that the prince controls, the "people of the prince" which Jesus controls.

2500 years can alter the viewpoint of the interpretation.

But looking at the prophecy, now history, can confirm the correct timeline and events..

 

On 12/3/2024 at 7:51 AM, douggg said:

The Romans destroyed the temple and city in 70AD, long after Jesus's first coming.

35 years isn't that long.

Please remember that the NT letters were all written between 40 AD and 60 AD ish just before Jerusalem's desolation. (Except for the Revelation.)

The impending disaster was only 10 to 20 ish years away.

This impending desolation is shown in those NT letters.  

Some misunderstand that issue and try to make the prophecies all future to us.

But the Apostles were facing an earthshaking disaster only a few years away.

When reading the NT letters, that issue should be up front and accounted for as part of the context.

In Dan 9, the context is the arrival of Jesus to Israel in 30 AD, His death and the consequences to Israel, in that time period.

 

On 12/3/2024 at 7:51 AM, douggg said:

The little horn person of Daniel 7 and 8 emerges out of the fourth kingdom in Daniel 7:23-24.

There are many "horns".

The person who comes from one of the 4 horns is Greek.

The horn that comes from the 4th beast is Roman.

They are different individuals in different time periods.

 

On 12/3/2024 at 7:51 AM, douggg said:

 The fourth kingdom in Daniel 7 is the Roman Empire.

Yes, the 4th beast of Dan 7, is the Roman Empire. So is the iron in the statue of Dan 2.

Please observe how the 4th beast nation doesn't end and then start up again. The nation is continual, becomes divided, but is continual.

It means that Rome continues from 63 BC until Jerusalem is restored to Israel, when the toes end.

Ask yourself, who was Rome, for all those centuries? 63 BC? 100 AD? 500 AD? 1200 AD? 1900 AD? 2024 AD?

It is not the EU that is the revived Roman Empire, because they were not continual from 63 BC.

Only the Roman Empire and the Roman Vatican image can fit the continual timeline  of the Roman 4th beast of Dan 7. They are united by Caesar worship.

 

On 12/3/2024 at 7:51 AM, douggg said:

In the end times, the EU has manifested itself as the Roman Empire.

The Roman Catholic Church (RCC) far exceeds the power of the EU.

There are about 1.3 billion members of the RCC.

The Bishop of Rome controls numerous nations and people around the globe.

The Vatican is the image of the Roman Empire. 

Caesar and the Bishop of Rome are the Antichrist, not just one, but all of them, many.

Continual power over the people of Israel since 63 BC.

 

On 12/3/2024 at 7:51 AM, douggg said:

 

[Triton57]

On 12/7/2024 at 7:15 AM, The Light said:

The marriage supper of the Lamb will take place during the 70th week of Daniel.

The Lord comes for a harvest at the 6th seal. Then the great multitude is in heaven for the marriage supper. Then the 7th seal, Day of the Lord, one year day of wrath begins.

All believers will be in heaven for the marriage supper during the Day of the Lord, wrath of God.

Those from the nation of Israel that flee to a place of protection, will remain on the earth........protected from the wrath of God.

I believe, just like most weddings, there is a difference between the marriage and the reception, or marriage supper. In the traditional Jewish marriage, there are some interesting parallels between a covenantal marriage with a ketubah and Yeshua's relationship to His bride. There was a match-making period where the partners would meet and if they hit it off, the ketubah would outline the rights and responsibilities of the groom in relation to the bride. God draws those that are His and we make the choice whether we desire a covenantal relationship with Yeshua in accepting the covenant He made for His bride.

The betrothal ceremony, or erusin, was preceded by a blessing over wine and blessings by the groom. An object of value was given to the bride, in modern times a ring, where the groom states the bride is consecrated to him. This time was referred to as sanctification as the bride was then dedicated to the groom. Through history, God's Word has been a light to the bride's understanding of her relationship and the last supper has served as a kind of continual reminder of the New Covenant and our participation in it. It is through this covenant we are sanctified in Him and we are given the gift of the Holy Spirit to seal us to the day we are reunited with Him.

Prior to the Middle Ages, the erusin would be separated from the next stage, the nissuin, in the marriage by some period of time in months. Culturally, the bride would move to the groom's house, which may have to be prepared apart from where he may have been living on his parents estate, a new home for the new union. After the covenant was established and agreed to by both parties, Yeshua went to His Father's house to prepare a place for His bride, the unified body of Christ. Meanwhile the bride is waiting for His return to gather her for the actual marriage, the nissuin where the two will become one.

The bride and groom are escorted to the chuppah and in some Ashkenazi communities the escorts would hold candles on their way to the chuppah, or wedding canopy, meant to represent the home of the new couple. A blessing over the wine and betrothal and then the wine is tasted by the couple. Matthew 25:1-13 speaks to the idea of the bride waiting for the bridegroom to return for her. She is to have lamps prepared with oil, which I believe equates to the anointing of the Holy Spirit that signifies obedient faithful relationship with Him. At the last supper, Yeshua stated He would not drink of the wine again until in His kingdom. His kingdom is not of this world until He establishes it, but the bride is not gathered until His coming in glory at the sixth seal before the wrath is poured out.

Yichud is togetherness or seclusion and is a practice of leaving the bride and groom alone for a period after the wedding where they would have time together prior to the celebration portion of the nissuin. While Yeshua is carrying out the wrath of God during this time after His coming and before He establishes His kingdom on earth after Armageddon, I think there is an element of heaven being outside of our current perception of space-time and there is no reason Yeshua can't move back and forth between heaven and earth to carry out His wrath. This may be a time where we each collectively and individually have personal time with Yeshua.

Revelation 2:17
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth [it].

After the wedding ceremony and yichud, the bride and groom make a grand entrance to a room filled with family and friends to begin the celebration of the marriage. Since everyone caught up of humanity is the bride, the guests would be either those in heaven, those who come through the remainder of the 70th week and are resurrected, or both. It seems most likely to be both I think, which means the marriage supper would be after the 70th week is completed.

Revelation 19:7-10 has the marriage in heaven and the bride arrayed in the same fine linen seen in Revelation 19:14 of those following Him at Armageddon. Revelation 19:9 gives a blessing to those called to the marriage supper of the Lamb, as opposed to the marriage.

Daniel 12:11-12
And from the time [that] the daily [sacrifice] shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, [there shall be] a thousand two hundred and ninety days. Blessed [is] he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

Daniel is also told of a blessing to those who come to the 1,335th day after the abomination of desolation, the start of a 1,290 day period that I believe ends the 70th week. It is for this reason I believe the marriage supper of the Lamb is separate from the marriage itself in heaven, and occurs 45 days after the end of the 70th week of Daniel. Interestingly, if Yom Kippur is the start of the day of the Lord, and the middle of the week, then those 7-year periods without intercalary months added all land within days of Pesach Sheni, or 2nd Passover, 1,335 days after the abomination of desolation. Chart

So I agree the harvest is at the sixth seal according to the account of Christ in the Olivet Discourse, and the wrath of God starts immediately after the catching away of the bride and rescue of the faithful of Israel into the wilderness to be sealed in accordance with Revelation 6-8. I think Yom Teruah will be the sixth seal and Yom Kippur 9/10 days later will be the start of the day of the Lord and the wrath, the period in between being the rescue of Israel and their unveiling at the fullness of the Gentiles.

I do see the seventh seal differently however, in that it is the final seal that allows the opening of the scroll and it is not until that seal is broken that the seven angels are even handed their trumpets. I suppose you could say the 7th seal triggers the wrath of God and the trumpets, thunders, and bowls in that sense, but I feel the nature of the scroll containing the foretold judgements that is only able to be opened by the one worthy to do so means the wrath is separate from the 7th seal in nature.

So I just distinguish the marriage of Yeshua and the bride in heaven from the marriage supper where guests join in celebration of the marriage after it has occured on the earth in the Messianic Kingdom after the 70th week is completed and faithful Israel comes out of the wilderness into the Promised Land with Yeshua reigning as King.