Has the 70th week of Daniel begun?

[Charlie744]

4 hours ago, Diaste said:

 The definition isn't 'arrival', it's cut down. 'יִכָּרֵ֥ת' is cut down or cut off, destroyed, really. It's uses are 'fail', 'death penalty', 'hew', 'chewed', etc. It is not a covenant as that's not the verb form used in Dan 9:26. 

A normal reading gives us; "At the end of 69 weeks, the Messiah is killed." 

No, the 7 and 62 timed sections are found in the “restorative” two verses. And it is not UNTIL these are completed do we see the arrival of the Messiah. 
 
However, you are entitled to your own interpretation.

[The Light]

On 10/24/2024 at 3:26 AM, Diaste said:

It is correct. 

If you are in Christ, you are the Seed of Abraham. The seed of Abraham is the Israel of God. 

There is a nation of Israel, and the Israel of God. It's certain the people of Daniel are the people of faith, the Israel of God. 

Right. But you want to skip the steps that God has put in place for this to happen.

It will be two folds into one. The first fold will be the Gentiles, and the second fold will be of the 12 tribes. 

Both folds will be in heaven as the great multitude during the 7th seal, Day of the Lord, wrath of God.

On 10/24/2024 at 3:26 AM, Diaste said:

 

That 'fullness of the Gentiles' is the fullness of the adoption into the family of God, the grafting in of the Gentiles into the natural olive tree; the Gentiles who are in Christ and of the Seed of Abraham.

The Jews for the most part do not believe that Jesus is the Messiah as of yet. You keep jumping to the end without understanding the steps that will happen.

Romans 11

25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

On 10/24/2024 at 3:26 AM, Diaste said:

No. the first fold already exists, the other sheep are brought into the preexisting fold. "And other sheep I have, not of this fold...." meaning the original fold exists and the others are brought into it, "...them also I must bring..." just like the image of being grafted into the preexisting olive tree. 

The Gentiles are the other sheep brought into the preexisting fold, and the unnatural branches grafted in to the natural olive tree. In Christ, of the Seed of Abraham, the Israel of God, adopted into that family, not a stand alone replacement of elevated status and special privilege, but rather fortunate adoptees taken into the great house of the King.

I don't see that anywhere in the text. 

The Jews do not know Jesus as Messiah. The first fold are those that know Him.

John 10

14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.

15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.

16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

The fathers of Israel were supposed to be the first fruits of the first harvest. The fig tree has two harvests. However, they served other Gods and would not be the first harvest. The first fold will be of the Gentiles. The second fold will be of the 12 tribes. This is why we see 144,000 first fruits in Revelation. Two folds, two harvests, two raptures, just as the Word says.

Hosea 9

10 I found Israel like grapes in the wilderness; I saw your fathers as the firstripe in the fig tree at her first time: but they went to Baalpeor, and separated themselves unto that shame; and their abominations were according as they loved.

 

[Charlie744]

3 hours ago, Diaste said:

Means nothing. 

Falling off the cliff, he died.

He fell off a cliff and died. 

I was going to respond to these comments from you but I don’t think I will (at least not at this time). It is clear you are really not putting any effort in this most difficult interpretations. “Falling off a cliff,” “means nothing,” “don’t see anything…” - you want Daniel to tell you exactly how to build the watch! God does not write any of His Word that way. All I would ask is for you and others to put these interpretations together to form a complete, consistent and most importantly, a set of prophecies that focus on the Messiah and His plan of salvation found THROUGHOUT Daniel. 

[Charlie744]

3 hours ago, The Light said:

They are end time events. 69 week of the prophecy have occurred. Has the 70th week begun? 

Since the man of sin has not been revealed, this only makes sense.

But is the 70th week of Daniel a made-up theory? No sir, it is not.

The destruction of Jerusalem is unfinished.

Daniel 9

2 In the first year of his reign I Daniel understood by books the number of the years, whereof the word of the Lord came to Jeremiah the prophet, that he would accomplish seventy years in the desolations of Jerusalem.

There is still one stone upon another in the buildings of the Temple. If what Jesus said has already happened, WHAT SIGN was there when these things occurred?

Luke 21

7 And they asked him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?

 

This is the first 69 weeks, then Messiah is cut off until there is a covenant with many. 

Daniel 9

26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

Daniel 12

36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.

37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.

Nothing mythical about this guy. He is the rider on the white horse of the 1st seal. He is the Beast of the Earth of Revelation 13.

You seem to want to separate Daniel from end times prophecy. Daniel is about end times prophecy.

There is a Beast of the Earth and Beast of the Sea. The little horn is the Beast of the Sea who was and is not and will come again. Regarding this little horn, if they say he is in the desert go not forth or he is in the secret chamber, believe it not. 

Why do you want to separate the Book of Daniel which is about end times from Matthew 24 which is about end times, and from the book of Revelation which is about end times. How can you possibly understand end times if you do this?

 

Okay and thanks. 

[Charlie744]

3 hours ago, Diaste said:

That is true, but it doesn't stop Temples from being built, ostensibly to God and Jesus, all over the world, everyday. 

Because there is no longer a spiritual need stops no one from doing exactly what they want to do. 

You can be certain the Jewish religion finds a need for the Temple, they are fully prepared to build it right now. Not just mentally prepared, they have all the physical items required and are practicing the ritual sacrifices. 

If Jesus was good enough for the Jews they would have listened when He was preaching in Israel, but they killed Him instead. 

I agree with your comment that the Jews still reject that Jesus was not their Messiah and that is exactly why they want to reconstruct the Temple and reinstate the Levitical ceremonies. 
 

But that is exactly why God turned away from them for the past 2000 years-!they rejected Him and still do!

They can do whatever they want to do… so can the Muslims or the Hindu’s, etc.

But the Temple, the Levitical ceremonies, the animal sacrifices have BEEN DONE AWAY WITH . Jesus FULFILLED THEM ALL. 
 

 

[Charlie744]

3 hours ago, The Light said:

Why do you not consider this verse brother? This is end times future events.

Daniel 12

4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

It is for the people of Daniel...........the twelve tribes. And Jerusalem.

Why do you think there are 144,000 first fruits of the 12 tribes in the future?

Exactly. Some of Daniel is about the time of the end. Why do you separate Daniel from the events that are in the future?

Ahhhhh........no brother. Messiah is cut off after 69 weeks.

You need to understand Ezekiel 4 regarding the House of Israel and the House of Judah. 

Where do you get the the Messiah will arrive after 69 weeks. The Word says that the Messiah is cut off after 69 weeks.

I cannot agree with you. These ideas do not agree with the Book of Daniel. The 70th week has not been completed.

I am aware of these things. I just know they are incorrect. The prince that shall come shall confirm a covenant with many......FOR 7 YEARS. God's covenants are eternal.

This is about the prince that shall come whose people will destroy the city and the sanctuary. This is a future event.

 

These are future events that will soon happen.

2 Thes 2

 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

I believe in a coming 70th week of Daniel. Messiah is cut off after 69 weeks. A covenant with many will begin the 70th week. During this time the eyes of Israel will be openened.

You keep talking about A mythical figure. There is nothing mythical about it. And it is not A figure there are two. The beast of the sea and the beast of the earth.

Both are shown in Daniel. The vile person of Daniel 11 is the beast of the earth. In Daniel 7 there is the little horn who is the beast of the sea.

We see both in the Matthew 24 and we see both in Revelation 13.

The rider on the white horse is the beast of the earth. He will cause the world to worship the beast of the sea who was and is not and yet is.

Matthew 24

26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

How many mummy movies do you need to see before you understand what is going to happen. Was and is not and will come again.

Okay and thank you for your responses!

[DeighAnn]

On 10/20/2024 at 1:36 PM, The Light said:

What is your opinion. Has the 70th week of Daniel begun?

Is there any evidence that the 70th week has begun?

In my opinion, Jesus gives us 'the when' by directing us to the prophecy(ies) of Daniel

Matt 24
3And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

4And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

Jesus continues 

9Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
10And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. 11And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. 12And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. 13But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

14And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

(the question being answered... "and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?" Jesus tells us the 'abomination' is to be seen at the end of the world)    

15When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

(Which will turn out to be the first of 2 tribulation, this first one by 'the one who will cause the desolations/deceptions..)

29Immediately after the tribulation of those days (the days of the desolator causing the desolations) 

shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other

We can find a 'gap' in time spoken of by Jesus himself in Luke...

16And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read. 17And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,

18The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

19To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.

20And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him. 21And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.
 

Which came from Isaiah...

1The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;

2To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD,

What He did not read and so was not being fulfilled at that time...
and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn; To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the LORD, that he might be glorified. And they shall build the old wastes, they shall raise up the former desolations, and they shall repair the waste cities, the desolations of many generations.

Daniel 8
15And it came to pass, when I, even I Daniel, had seen the vision, and sought for the meaning, then, behold, there stood before me as the appearance of a man. 16And I heard a man's voice between the banks of Ulai, which called, and said, Gabriel, make this man to understand the vision. 17So he came near where I stood: and when he came, I was afraid, and fell upon my face: but he said unto me, Understand, O son of man: for at the time of the end shall be the vision.

18Now as he was speaking with me, I was in a deep sleep on my face toward the ground: but he touched me, and set me upright. 19And he said, Behold, I will make thee know what shall be in the last end of the indignation: for at the time appointed the end shall be.

20The ram which thou sawest having two horns are the kings of Media and Persia.

21And the rough goat is the king of Grecia: and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king. 22Now that being broken, whereas four stood up for it, four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation, but not in his power.

23And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.

24And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.

25And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.

26And the vision of the evening and the morning which was told is true: wherefore shut thou up the vision; for it shall be for many days.



So, I don't believe we are currently in the last week because we are not even hearing of peace, but still hearing of wars and rumors of wars...the beginning of sorrows.


Also, in Dan 9 we hear of the same timing

26And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.



Then in Dan 11

 21And in his estate shall stand up a vile person, to whom they shall not give the honour of the kingdom: but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries. 22And with the arms of a flood shall they be overflown from before him, and shall be broken; yea, also the prince of the covenant. 23And after the league made with him he shall work deceitfully: for he shall come up, and shall become strong with a small people. 24He shall enter peaceably even upon the fattest places of the province; and he shall do that which his fathers have not done, nor his fathers' fathers; he shall scatter among them the prey, and spoil, and riches: yea, and he shall forecast his devices against the strong holds, even for a time.


31And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate. 32And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits. 


36And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.


. 45And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.


Continued on in Dan 12

1And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. 2And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. 3And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever. 4But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.


Since 'the book' was still SEALED at the time of the crucifixion, that can not be 'the time of the end'...hence the prophecy wasn't for that time but future to even us now.  

[WilliamL]

On 10/23/2024 at 5:52 AM, Diaste said:

The covenant in Dan 9 is more like backing a covenant already in place, it's not establishing a new agreement where one didn't exist. The examples of 'gabar' are generally like prevailing in a situation that already exists, implying the covenant was in place and then supported. In this case, and the use of 'gabar', it's supported with great power and strength. 

Note what I wrote in point 4 above:

"4) Vespasian, by means of his policy #I, made covenants of peace with a number of important non-resisting cities. Essentially, he was merely “confirming” Romeʼs original covenant with the Jews, which allowed them – uniquely among the peoples of the Empire – to practice only their own mono-theistic religion, provided that they submitted to Roman civil authority."

Maybe I should have been more specific. This policy/covenant of Rome with the Jews dated back to the days of Herod the Great, so it most certainly was "a covenant already in place."

On 10/23/2024 at 7:23 AM, The Light said:

There will be an end times Temple because the Day of the Lord.......the day of vengeance cannot occur until the man of sin is revealed. He sits in the Temple of God and claims that He is God.

2 Thes 4 ...

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple [naos] of God, shewing himself that he is God.

"Temple" is not an accurate of translation of the Greek term naos used here. Temple in Greek is heiros; naos more accurately means "a holy place or structure." That can mean, depending upon the situation, a sanctuary building; a sanctuary tent/tabernacle; or a physical location, such as the Temple Mount, or, more specifically, the very site of the original sanctuary.

When Jesus referred to the Abomination of Desolation, he designated the defiled place literally as "a topo hagio/holy spot." So not exactly an endorsement of the modern presumption that there must be an actual temple building in place to fulfill the prophecy.

Likewise, Daniel 11:45 -- the verse that immediately precedes the equivalent of the Great Tribulation prophecy in Daniel 12:1 -- mentions no temple or structure at all, just that the King of the North will  place "the tents of his pavilion between the seas at the glorious holy mountain." This appears to fulfill the Abomination of Desolation, wherein the King of the North sets himself up upon the Temple Mount, "showing himself that he is a god." Not, "proclaiming himself to be God," as so many people try to read into 2 Thes. 2.

So as I have cautioned many people many times about the reading of 2 Thes. 2 and other such texts, beware of reading your belief into such verses. Only use what they literally say in the original language, and don't add your assumptions/presumptions into them, or you may be found to be missing the mark when the actual End Time prophecy is fulfilled.

[DeighAnn]

On 10/26/2024 at 9:52 AM, The Light said:

The fathers of Israel were supposed to be the first fruits of the first harvest. The fig tree has two harvests. However, they served other Gods and would not be the first harvest. The first fold will be of the Gentiles. The second fold will be of the 12 tribes. This is why we see 144,000 first fruits in Revelation. Two folds, two harvests, two raptures, just as the Word says.

I'm a bit lost here.  You stated 'The 12 tribes of Israel were supposed to be the first fruits of the first harvest' but because they served other gods, they were not to be of 'the first harvest', they will be of a '2nd harvest'. 

You state there will be 2 harvests because the fig tree has two harvests.  Is that the only reason?  Does God ever say anything like that anywhere?

Doesn't the FIG represent Israel, and not the gentiles? So why would the 'gentiles' be any part of what would be two harvests for Israel?  How do they 'qualify' on the one hand but not on the other?  It always seems Israel gets all the work and tribulation and the church gets a free ride and a rapture.  

Also, how can the first fruits/first harvest be 'gentiles' when we read 

1And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. 2And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, 3Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

144,000 Sealed

4And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

5Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand. 6Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nepthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand. 7Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand. 8Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.

9After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;


How do you account for 'The Book of Remembrance' in Mal 3?

16Then they that feared the LORD spake often one to another: and the LORD hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the LORD, and that thought upon his name. 17And they shall be mine, saith the LORD of hosts, in that day when I make up my jewels; and I will spare them, as a man spareth his own son that serveth him. 18Then shall ye return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him that serveth God and him that serveth him not.

How can the Word say '2 harvests' when we read

Rev 14:14  And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle. 15And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe. 16And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.


Where do you read of this first harvest?  


EITHER the gentiles are 'grafted in' amongst the natural branches or they are not.  Either they are 'different' and will be 'treated different' or they aren't.  
Either God changes or He doesn't.

 

25For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

26And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

Who did He come for?  The lost sheep of the House of Israel.  Scattered to all the nations of the world, like sands of the sea, dust of the earth...
 

200 years before Jesus was even born.  


 

27For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

28As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes. 29For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. 30For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief: 31Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy. 32For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

 




 

[Diaste]

On 10/26/2024 at 10:52 AM, The Light said:

Right. But you want to skip the steps that God has put in place for this to happen.

It will be two folds into one. The first fold will be the Gentiles, and the second fold will be of the 12 tribes. 

Both folds will be in heaven as the great multitude during the 7th seal, Day of the Lord, wrath of God.

Nope. The original people of God, the Israel of God, began with the patriarchs. That hasn't changed.

On 10/26/2024 at 10:52 AM, The Light said:

The Jews for the most part do not believe that Jesus is the Messiah as of yet. You keep jumping to the end without understanding the steps that will happen.

The Jews are a religion, not a people. The Jews are more interested in liturgy and ritual than a relationship with God. This is stark contrast to the Israel of God in the faith of Abraham. 

On 10/26/2024 at 10:52 AM, The Light said:

Romans 11

25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

The Jews do not know Jesus as Messiah. The first fold are those that know Him.

Yes, and that 1st fold is the original people of God, of the faith of Abraham, the Israel of God. The Gentiles are grafted into that group of the people of faith. The Gentiles have the sonship of adoption, grafted into the natural olive tree, the Gentiles are not a stand alone group of believers apart from the Israel of God, of the faith of Abraham, in Christ. 

On 10/26/2024 at 10:52 AM, The Light said:

The fathers of Israel were supposed to be the first fruits of the first harvest. The fig tree has two harvests. However, they served other Gods and would not be the first harvest. The first fold will be of the Gentiles. The second fold will be of the 12 tribes. This is why we see 144,000 first fruits in Revelation. Two folds, two harvests, two raptures, just as the Word says.

One general gathering, the 144k are taken immediately prior to the ones that came out from within GT. Everyone else waits till the 1000 years is over.

On 10/26/2024 at 10:52 AM, The Light said:

Hosea 9

10 I found Israel like grapes in the wilderness; I saw your fathers as the firstripe in the fig tree at her first time: but they went to Baalpeor, and separated themselves unto that shame; and their abominations were according as they loved.

This sort of scripture doesn't mean every last person of any age that's of Israel and called a Jew. Generally, Israel and the Jews did this, not each and every man woman and child. There are always people of faith in Christ at all times, even in the backsliding of the nation of Israel.