do mid or post tribbers know how to survive?

[BornAgain490]

11 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

Both wrath and tribulation are not the same topic. Wrath is God against

sinners, tribulation is Satan and his demons against the Saints.

1 Thessalonians 1:10

1 Thessalonians 5:9

So you agree: tribulation is not God's wrath.  How, then, can the 7 year tribulation period be God wrath?

[missmuffet]

14 minutes ago, BornAgain490 said:

So you agree: tribulation is not God's wrath.  How, then, can the 7 year tribulation period be God wrath?

You make me feel like I am in a courtroom on trial. Is this really necessary? From your name you claim to be born again. Is this really the way you want to treat another born again Christian? Is this the way God would want you to treat one of your sisters in Christ? You have your opinions and I have mine. Let's leave it at that. I am honest and will post what I think is biblical truth. Respect that.

 

 

 

[Indentured Servant]

21 hours ago, Ghostdog said:

if you believe in mid or post tribulation and it were to happening would you know how to survive?

Survival isn't the goal... Persevering until death, enduring at the threat of death, maintaining one's faith even as one is dying... is the only focus we should have. (Not all will die, but many will be killed.)

My question is, do pre-tribbers know how to survive when they find out they've put their faith in a doctrine, not in God, Himself?

If a mid or post-tribber is wrong, (and pretrib is somehow correct), they suffer no lost, because they were ready for anything.

If a pretribber is wrong, they'll find themselves unprepared. Many of them will reject God's Word and God because their entire faith rested on something that wasn't true, and not on God's promise to look over them during the tribulation.

Edited November 9, 2024 by Indentured Servant

[tatwo]

22 hours ago, Ghostdog said:

if you believe in mid or post tribulation and it were to happening would you know how to survive?

Greeting @Ghostdog

Most of what I am reading here on this forum has been hashed over to the point of mush…few can agree...and it typically pertains to the temporal realm on earth and the physical aspect of existence…and this in terms of how one might live in that personally perceived environment. Additionally there is an abundance of conflated thought in regards to the many different events attending a given individuals personal beliefs…messy as usual.

Always missing from a conversation discussion or forum like this…is Gods “original intent” for which He put His creation in place to begin with. With that not included or in view in a discussion concerning the age of tribulation, great tribulation, rapture, mark of the beast, the lawless one, the beast, falling away, the beast system, the end of the age…humans can only reason according to their personal and perceived beliefs…which always leaves them in the dark…likely without even realizing it.

For example…God created “a man in His image and likeness”…was that Adam? No…no it was not Adam…who then? It is a prophetic reference to the Lord Yahshua Christ…there can be no doubt that He…the Lord Yahshua Christ is the man in the image and likeness of God.

You may be thinking…so I knew that? Perhaps you did…so why did God create a man in His image and likeness? So that He…God the Father of creation could be touched and touch…love and be loved…so that His character and nature can be seen and experienced in creation…by humans via Holy Spirit filled humans.

The eternal God Himself exists outside of creation…creation…the heavens and earth…and is understandably to “great” to fit all of Himself into creation which actually has its existence in Him…so…He comes into creation via incarnation as a man…the first of which is His only begotten Son our Lord Yahshua Christ.

Paul tells us in Romans 8:14…“For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.” This means what it says…those who live their lives under the direction of the Holy Spirit…are the sons of God. Paul then goes on in verses 16-17 to write…“The Spirit Himself [Holy Spirit] bears witness with our spirit [human spirit] that we are children of God, and if children, then heirs—heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him, that we may also be glorified together.”

Children of God…sons of God…heirs of God…joint heirs with Christ...however he writes that…we must “suffer with Christ.” What is in the minds of those who feel they can skip the suffering…the suffering or tribulation experienced by the Lord Yahshua is something the sons of God partake of with the Lord…in their own lives and bodies…tribulation strengthens and purifies them…for those who do not…there is no glorification...regardless of when the Lord returns.

This is what it means to be “in Christ”…in the Body of which Yahshua is the Head…this Body is connected directly under its Head…He is a man…a “spiritual man”…in the image and likeness of the eternal God and Father of creation…which is what God is going to reap from the earth…fulfilling His original intent…but not yet…because this Son of God known as “Christ” has not yet completed His Father’s work on the earth.

What does He have yet to do to complete His Fathers will…few may be wondering? Well the son of God was manifest in the earth “to reconcile man to God”…and…”to destroy the works of the devil.” He has been and is reconciling man to God…and He has been and is destroying the works of the devil…however He has not completed these tasks...as you all should well know.

They each learn the way of their Lord through trials and tribulations exactly as He did…which causes them to become like Him. Mature spiritual people operating under the “power and authority” of the throne of God…on the earth…He is a spiritual man with the power of eternal life who is choreographed to the very mind of the Lord Himself.

Tribulation He has been raised to endure, grow and learn from…but only a fool would ever think that the heavenly Father of the Lord Yahshua Christ would subject His son to His wrath.

That however does not mean that His son “Christ” will not be here on the earth... [Goshen, Egypt] He will for a time…for He will execute judgment upon the wicked as a delegated authority of the Lord Yahshua Himself…there is no other way for the age to end…we will not only survive @Ghostdog…we will destroy the works of the devil…in obedience to our Father.

So…that briefly…is how “mid or post tribbers” survive the conditions on the earth unto the end of the age. The sons of God on the earth today have their identity in their Father who is both their provision and protection...remember we have eternal life...a life that cannot be extinguished.

Tatwo...:)

[Dennis1209]

I believe more people will be saved during the Tribulation than ever in human history. I have never encountered an adequate answer to a question I have always pondered with the mark of the Beast.

It seems obvious that obtaining this M.O.B. is a privilege, and some great incentive is attached to it, other than the ability to buy and sell (survive). It is plainly stated that receiving this mark requires allegiance and worship to the Antichrist.

In the age of Grace, thus far lasting two millennia, Salvation and Grace have not been restricted from anyone to my knowledge. I could provide a long list of the infamous like Jeffrey Dahmer, celebrities, musicians, and famous and ordinary people in the new age movement / satanic cults, who gave allegiance to worshipping the devil, selling their souls to him for fame, money, and power.

They saw the light, emerged from that darkness, repented, and accepted the Lord as their Savior. Their powerful and convincing testimonies are backed up by what they are saying and doing now. In other words, when they converted to worshipping Satan, sold their souls, etc., they were not automatically condemned to Hell with no hope. The offer of Salvation still applies to them.

What is it about the M.O.B. that cannot be taken back, repented of, and asked for Salvation? I have suspicions, but they are just that—suspicions.

[BornAgain490]

54 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

You make me feel like I am in a courtroom on trial. Is this really necessary? From your name you claim to be born again. Is this really the way you want to treat another born again Christian? Is this the way God would want you to treat one of your sisters in Christ? You have your opinions and I have mine. Let's leave it at that. I am honest and will post what I think is biblical truth. Respect that.

 

 

 

Yes. I am born again.  And, yes, God would want you to be exposed to queries such as mine to you relative to why you hold to a  certain position on scripture that seems unsupported by scripture. 

Why do you think it upsetting when another believer queries you on your interpretation of scripture?  Before you get offended at another believer for questioning your interpretation, read Proverbs 27:17.  Also, remember what our brother Aquila and sister Priscilla did with another brother named Appolos in Ephasus.  Acts 18:24-26.  

I readily admit: I may be wrong as to the precise timing of the rapture, but I will defend my position until someone convinces me otherwise to change it. 

If you don't have a defense for your position on pretrib rapture, or you don't care to defend it, that's all you had to say.  There was no need to question my faith and/or standing with God. 

Everyone has opinions as to what certain scriptures mean.  But there's only one truth, and you aren't defending what you think to be true. 

If your hope is in a preteib rapture, you should always be ready to give a scriptural answer to everyone that asks you of that hope, with meekness and fear. 1 Peter 3:15. 

[missmuffet]

10 minutes ago, BornAgain490 said:

Yes. I am born again.  And, yes, God would want you to be exposed to queries such as mine to you relative to why you hold to a  certain position on scripture that seems unsupported by scripture. 

Why do you think it upsetting when another believer queries you on your interpretation of scripture?  Before you get offended at another believer for questioning your interpretation, read Proverbs 27:17.  Also, remember what our brother Aquila and sister Priscilla did with another brother named Appolos in Ephasus.  Acts 18:24-26.  

I readily admit: I may be wrong as to the precise timing of the rapture, but I will defend my position until someone convinces me otherwise to change it. 

If you don't have a defense for your position on pretrib rapture, or you don't care to defend it, that's all you had to say.  There was no need to question my faith and/or standing with God. 

Everyone has opinions as to what certain scriptures mean.  But there's only one truth, and you aren't defending what you think to be true. 

If your hope is in a preteib rapture, you should always be ready to give a scriptural answer to everyone that asks you of that hope, with meekness and fear. 1 Peter 3:15. 

I give my biblical opinion and you give your biblical opinion. Someone is right and someone is wrong. Time will tell in all of this. God knows my heart and that is what is most important.

 

[tatwo]

4 hours ago, Dennis1209 said:

What is it about the M.O.B. that cannot be taken back, repented of, and asked for Salvation? I have suspicions, but they are just that—suspicions.

Its a mindset Dennis...what one believes to be truth...but it is not...think Eve and Adam. Did man become God?

Tatwo...:)

[other one]

8 hours ago, missmuffet said:

Being beheaded would be fast but as horrible as the Antichrist is and

as much as he hates God and Christians there might be torture. If Christians

would not be able to buy or sell they would starve to death. That is a slow death.

My mother died from Alzheimer's.  She progressed to the point of not being able to swallow and had legally forbid us of giving her a feeding tube.

The weekend after i retired, she was in the final stages of starvation.  I sat with her for three days holding her hand and talking with her.   She wasn't hurting at all and was very much at peace with things.  After watching that I can envision just going out in the forest and leaning back against a tree and letting things go.

[missmuffet]

23 hours ago, ayin jade said:

A better question is why would any mid or post trib Christian want to survive? You know the world is ending and it just gets worse. Why not pray and witness and not worry about trying to survive til the end?

There are people out there that think it would be a real adventure to go through

the 7 year tribulation.