WHAT YEARS CAN THE RESURRECTION/RAPTURE HAPPEN

[Vine Abider]

5 hours ago, The Light said:

I was not referring to the 144,000 first fruits. I meant the main harvest which is seen here.

Revelation 14

14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.

15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.

16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.

The occurs at the 6th seal and is the second harvest. Pre trib will be the 1st harvest.

Indeed - there are first fruits and harvest portrayed in scripture and in the Revelation accounts.  Some fruit ripens early and are taken before others get ripe and are taken in the general harvest.

[EddieM]

On 11/22/2024 at 7:05 PM, JoeCanada said:

According to the Torah, the resurrection/rapture (R/R) can only happen in select years. In other years, it can’t happen. In certain years, the resurrection of the righteous dead is prohibited by law, the very law God gave to Moses … and God will not break His own laws.

The Mosaic Law became obsolete after Christ was resurrected. We are no longer under the Mosaic Law, we are under the law of Christ. All their feasts have been done away with. Heb 8.13

 

[JoeCanada]

7 hours ago, EddieM said:

The Mosaic Law became obsolete after Christ was resurrected. We are no longer under the Mosaic Law, we are under the law of Christ. All their feasts have been done away with. Heb 8.13

 

Well, maybe yes ...

"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill"

At the cross?

And ... maybe no...

"For truly I say to you, unless heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished"

At His return?

[WilliamL]

16 hours ago, JoeCanada said:

"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill"

At the cross?

And ... maybe no...

"For truly I say to you, unless heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished"

At His return?

John 19:28 After this, Jesus, knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the Scripture might be fulfilled, said, “I thirst!” ... 30 So when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, “It is finished!” And bowing His head, He gave up His spirit.

[Revelation Man]

On 11/22/2024 at 6:05 PM, JoeCanada said:

According to the Torah, the resurrection/rapture (R/R) can only happen in select years. In other years, it can’t happen. In certain years, the resurrection of the righteous dead is prohibited by law, the very law God gave to Moses … and God will not break His own laws.

We are talking about the law(s) of the harvests.

I will do what you always fail to do and give your post a read and response in detail, of every point, and not bring in a straw man.

The "Law" overall was for man, not God (of course) but it was only given 430 years after the promise because of [continued] sin. Now, as per the prophesies, and parables, I agree God gives us patterns with the 7 Feasts for a reason. We can tell by the first three Spring Harvests which Jesus fulfilled (Passover, Unleavened Bread & First-fruits) that the last three will be fulfilled and that we are now in the Feast of weeks/Summer Harvest [of souls] which Jesus as our high priest in heaven is also fulfilling.

On 11/22/2024 at 6:05 PM, JoeCanada said:

Revelation 3:3 says “if we don’t wake up and repent He will come like a thief”. It’s conditional, meaning if we do wake up and repent, He won’t come like a thief.

 

 I think you are inverting the reflection point here. Jesus coming is not contingent on if people repent, or don't. John is being told what to say to the 7 Churches (7 types throughout all the church age imho). Its not if we don't wake up he will come like a thief, it is if we are not saved (AWAKE) then we will be surprised when Jesus does come back. So the message is come to Christ, and we will not be in the dark, like the world is in the dark, that is why Paul said we are of the light and thus can not be caught unawares. So, my point is he's coming as a THEIF, to the world. but if we wake up, it will not catch us the Church by surprise.

On 11/22/2024 at 6:05 PM, JoeCanada said:

The Day of Yom Teru’ah or the Day of (remembering) the Trumpets is the day or hour that no man knows and it is integral to the harvest cycle. The R/R is a harvest. Matt 13:39 states that the harvest is the end of the age and the harvesters are the angels.

God runs everything according to His clock which is the harvest cycle. Every year has its sowing and reaping period. Sowing begins in the fall and crops come to maturity in the spring. This reaping season officially begins at First Fruits following Passover and lasts through the fall … and this continues yearly.

Gods appointed times … Mo'ed, are set by the harvest guide

Yes, God APPOINTS everything by moon cycles only He understands. This is why Passover is not on the same day every year on the Gregorian calendar which operates by via the Sun's timing. God's timing operates on the Moon's cycles. This is why the whole "No man can know the Day nor Hour" is a misunderstood phrase, Jesus was basically telling us we could not know the exact day nor hour, but we could and should know the season. Just as Israel knew the "Season" but not the exact day nor hour that the coming Trumpet Feast would start on, but they knew within 2 or 3 days (of course) because of the different Moon Phases. Once the New Moon comes in the Feast of Trumps starts.

So, in that sense, if we think about it, we should be able to see Jesus' coming almost to the day but just not the day nor hour, after all, once the moon's phases or slivers became so small, Israel knew the New Moon was very, very close. So, they knew the Summer Harvest was almost over and that the Feast of Trumps were almost at hand. Jesus was referencing the Day nor Hour to show the Disciples/Church, look at the 7 Feasts, I am the Passover Lamb, I have never sinned (Unleavened Bread) and I will be raised as the First-fruits. Then I will lead the Harvest from the Right Hand of God as your High Priest.

Now he hints at no man knowing the day nor hour, of the coming ENDING of the Harvest, but alas, the fact that two Feasts come after the Rapture (ending of the Harvest season/Church Age) that should tell us he's only coming for "The Church" because Israel has not even been ATONED (repented) yet, the Feast of Atonement comes after the Rapture/Harvest ends. Israel repens JUST BEFORE the Wrath of God falls, see Zech. 13:8-9, we see 1/3 of the Jews repent, then in Zech. 14:1-2 we see the Day of the Lord ARRIVES, then in verses 3-4 we see Jesus returns, so the Atonement must come BEFORE the DOTL, and thus that places it AFTER the Harvest ends at the Feast of Trumps, think of Paul's LAST TRUMP That is what he was saying, we will be called home at the last trump. This happens BEFORE Israel repents as Malachi 4:5-6 and Zech. 13:8-9 both show us.  

So, Israel could not know the exact day nor hour, but why? Because the New moon could be close and still come on one of three days within a 25 hour stretch, that's not possible with the sun, when morning breaks its just another day, but with the moon, the New Moon could come lets say on a Monday before sunset, on a Tuesday or on a Wednesday just after the sun sets, so within a 25 hour period the New Moon could show up on technically three different days, that is what Jesus s referencing, no man can know when the New Moon will come in because it is God Time, unlike the Sun which becomes a new day with day break in most cases, but with God it becomes a new day at Sunset I believe. So, the whole point Jesus is making is I will come for the Church (WINK WINK) at the Feast of Trumps one year way down the road, but with all the other clues, we should know approximately when he is coming for us the Church, we can not know the day nor hour but tbh, we should know THE YEAR, like the Jews knew THE SEASON. How? By looking at all of the clues. The E.U. is Reunited, Israel is Reborn, Iran, Russia and Turkey are allies, they are all against Israel, the E.U. and Russia have a CONFLICT going on, so the E.U. will gain Israel's trust when they help them during the Gog & Magog war. Add on top of all this the billion babies murdered in the womb, Governments promoting Homosexual Marriage and add in all the TECH that can be used to bring about a OWG type Agenda in the E.U. (The USA and New World are the 1/3 that burns, that is why we are not mentioned) Ten add in Apophis is heading our way.

On 11/22/2024 at 6:05 PM, JoeCanada said:

There is a time when reaping is allowed and when it is not. One harvest has already occurred, which was Yeshua, as a first fruits. The next is the main harvest when Yeshua returns for His own. This harvest is referred to in Rev 14:14-16 in which the wheat is gathered and put into the barn and the tares are thrown into the winepress of the Wrath of God. Then … the final gleanings harvest that follows the Millennium Kingdom. This concludes the harvests that Paul describes in 1 Cor 15.

Israel are The Wheat, THEY grow together with the TARES until the very end. The Church would be  the Barley Harvest which comes in before the Wheat and does not have to be crushed in order to be sifted. The Church has already repented, we are now prepared to be sifted, Israel is not ready to be sifted, they must be CRUSHED in order to be sifted, just as Wheat must be crushed before it can be sifted. The Greek named machine that crushes the wheat is where the word Tribulation comes from, the machine is the Tribulum. Israel must go through the 70th week, we the Church will not, no one GAINS HEAVEN via being tested we gain heaven via FAITH ALONE. We are already in the faith, we are all in Christ Jesus, Israel has not yet accepted Christ Jesus as their Messiah, that happens when the 1/3 repent just before the DOTL.

In Rev. 14:14 we see a FLASHBACK like in a movie, because chapter 14 is THE HARVEST CHAPTER. We see Jesus and the 144,000 or 5 Million Jews who repented (the 1/3) sitting on the holy mount with God, that represents those who ATONED after the LAST TRUMP, get it? And now they will TABERNACLE with God/Jesus for 1000 years. But when Jesus shows up they will be in the Petra & Bozrah region. In verses 17-20 we see the Wicked Grapes Crushed, they are the TARES whom are bound (killed and they go to the Grave) in order that they may be burned later (at the Second Resurrection). In Rev. 14:14 we see the Pre Trib. Rapture by Jesus himself who thrusts in the Sickle, from....UPON a cloud !! We the Church go to meet Jesus in the air, because we are going to Heaven to marry the Lamb. 

On 11/22/2024 at 6:05 PM, JoeCanada said:

The 70 weeks of Daniel is a specific grouping of 7 years in Gods harvest cycle. The final week of years is preceded by a Sabbatical year (the end of the 69^th week) and ends with a Sabbatical year followed by a Jubilee year. No sowing or reaping can occur in these years. The gathering of the harvest can only occur during non-Sabbatical or Jubilee years.

 

I believe Apophis being on April 13, 2029 points unto us being raptured in the fall 0f 2025 IF Apophis is the DOTL asteroid as seen in Rev. 8. What we have to be careful with when adding up these 50 year cycles is God stated Israel were as Dead Men's Bones from 70 AD until 1948ish, so God's clock on all things Israel may have been PAUSED. But we know on what months each Feast came on, we also know after the ATONEMENT, the 7th Feast is Tabernacles which represents God dwelling with Mankind. Well, Jesus is God the Redeemer and he will dwell in Jerusalem on David's throne for 1000 years.

So, yes, I agree, the 7 Feasts tell us everything, and the Harvests can tell us a lot also, but we have to interpret them properly.

I will add this in, if the Harvest of the Church was at the very end, we would all know the EXACT DAY & HOUR brother, because the Beast can only rule 1260 days, then he will die.

Overall, you are on the right track on understanding Jesus was never insinuating we can not understand when he is coming, he was just saying its at a Feast in the FALL, one year, and you will have tom read the signs to understand when I am going to come BUT...........you still can not know the exact day nor hour.  But Israel could not know the exact day nor hour of the Feast of Trumps New Moon, but they knew THE SEASON, because it came in theb7th month every year, they just had to wait on the New Moon, is it this LAST PHASE or is there one more sliver phase coming !! But they KNEW it was upon them. I know its upon us now. I do not know the exact day nor hour but when was someone saying the Fall of 2025 a Day or Hour? Now, Apophis may not be that Rev. 8 Asteroid, but via my calling to Eschatology for nigh 40 years, to me it all adds up. 

See I give you threads a fair shake brother.