worship music

[walla299]

12 hours ago, Ghostdog said:

does anyone notice that worship music leans more toward the way females express love? theres not many male way of showing love in worship music

I personally never really thought of some worship songs that way, but I see your point. Some can be that way.

Looking at some other posts it also seems many modern worship songs are too much about about man, or "me", and not enough about the glory of God. Some of 'em seem like one sentence repeated endlessly . . . not something I care for all that much.

It might be a good time to mention that when you feel like the worship music or in church is a let down we can sing psalms. The church sang them for centuries before hymns were thought of (Yes, there was plenty of debate about psalms vs hymns back in the day!) I first encountered psalm singing in Germany at the church I belonged to there and found a small number of churches here in the US that do so. There are times when singing God's word is better to me than any hymn - and no worries about bad theology either.

Just my 2 pfennig (cents).

 

[LaMonte]

12 hours ago, Ghostdog said:

does anyone notice that worship music leans more toward the way females express love?

I prefer the way Jesus expressed love. 

Heb. 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God. 

Phil. 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

[nebula]

2 hours ago, walla299 said:

I first encountered psalm singing in Germany at the church I belonged to there and found a small number of churches here in the US that do so.

How do you find a church like that?

[Ghostdog]

4 hours ago, nebula said:

I understand what you mean by female expression of love towards God.

What would you consider an example of male expression of love in worship music?

im not sure ive been thinking about it and i cant come up with many examples the only one i do think of is some may trust in chariots by bob fitts

[TheBlade]

So much worship music out there just in the USA with hundreds of thousands of Churches then all those other hundreds of thousands Churches in the rest of the world.. so no man I have not. If I based it on just all the music I listen to and ooh its HUGE yet.. I can not see this.

Not what your saying but a true story it was about music and haha the man said man I can't sing at all. To that God said "I made the sparrow and I made the crow".  Yeah.. to Him.. oh sing away.. for He is the one its for.. and He loves to hear you.  Only here where we judge those that can really sing like what his name Tim...something hits 10 octaves. Or the countless women that sing like angels yet not with the Father.. to Him those so called "crows" sing just as beautiful. 

Yeah so for me as long as it give glory to Him.. singing to Him.. I don't care for so many are still growing in the lord and doing the best they can.  Petra ONLY ONE ROCK!~

[LaMonte]

1 hour ago, Ghostdog said:

What would you consider an example of male expression of love in worship music?

Since Jesus was male, I think His example of Love is the only true example. 

Probably best not to compare ourselves with others in the body. 2 Co 10:12  For we dare not make ourselves of the number, or compare ourselves with some that commend themselves: but they measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise.

Rom 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service or spiritual worship.

[Sower]

6 hours ago, nebula said:

What would you consider an example of male expression of love in worship music?

"Abba Father", Hillsong.

Great Is His Faithfulness, Charity Gayle) 

Abba, Melissa Helser / Jonathan David Helser)

WE CRY ABBA FATHER, CHRIS MORGAN

[walla299]

2 hours ago, nebula said:

How do you find a church like that?

The Orthodox Presbyterian Church (OPC) is one denomination here in the US that sings a mix of psalms & hyms. There's a link to the Trinity Psalter Hymnal they use on their site.

The other is the Reformed Presbyterian Church of N. America (RCPNA) & they only sing psalms in worship a capella. The link for Crown & Covenant Publisher (for the Psalter) is on the site. This denomination traces its roots back to Scotland in the 1600s and their history is interesting. I don't agree with some of their beliefs, but they do a good job on their Psalter.

Nice to be able to sing these in English because my German wasn't the greatest.

[Sower]

6 hours ago, AdHoc said:

Every evening there are dozens of clandestine meetings in the siheyuans of Beijing and not even a loud prayer is heard. The police would be there in a flash.

For those here that have a dozen reasons why they do not  'assemble together' with a local body of believers, I've read testimony of christian believers in other anti christian countries may travel, secretly only at night, for up to three days just to assemble together in the forest/jungle to pray together and worship God, and fellowship. At any moment they realize they could be caught and imprisoned or face immediate death.

The pastor's/churches theology and the style of music played at churches are some of the top reasons not to belong to a local body (church).  I wonder what those persecuted brothers/sisters would think. Posted data says 40 million Americans have stopped going to worship services in the past 25 years alone. Yet God hasn't changed.

 

Top reason why people left, in terms of dechurching was, I moved.

attendance was inconvenient.

views of the church on things like divorce, same sex marriage and abortion just don't align with my views.

sermons were becoming very political, especially about abortion.

because they hurt me deeply, accused me of being possessed by a demon.

millions of people are leaving the church who probably never really identified fully as Christian to begin with.

I thought it was extremely boring.

not a church with people in my age range.

they practice their faith in other ways

haven’t found a church or house of worship they like (33 percent).

Thanks AdHoc

[AdHoc]

5 hours ago, Sower said:

For those here that have a dozen reasons why they do not  'assemble together' with a local body of believers, I've read testimony of christian believers in other anti christian countries may travel, secretly only at night, for up to three days just to assemble together in the forest/jungle to pray together and worship God, and fellowship. At any moment they realize they could be caught and imprisoned or face immediate death.

The pastor's/churches theology and the style of music played at churches are some of the top reasons not to belong to a local body (church).  I wonder what those persecuted brothers/sisters would think. Posted data says 40 million Americans have stopped going to worship services in the past 25 years alone. Yet God hasn't changed.

 

Top reason why people left, in terms of dechurching was, I moved.

attendance was inconvenient.

views of the church on things like divorce, same sex marriage and abortion just don't align with my views.

sermons were becoming very political, especially about abortion.

because they hurt me deeply, accused me of being possessed by a demon.

millions of people are leaving the church who probably never really identified fully as Christian to begin with.

I thought it was extremely boring.

not a church with people in my age range.

they practice their faith in other ways

haven’t found a church or house of worship they like (33 percent).

Thanks AdHoc

The Bible is never wrong. Of the four last Churches in Revelation 3, we have two pairs that tell a sad story.

Thyatira contains an ecclesiastical system so close to the Roman Catholic Church. As a protest Sardis breaks from the Roman Church but develops a similar ecclesiastical system. Both do not satisfy the Lord. Neither Rome nor the Reformers turned back to the New Testament and its simplicity of worship. The next pair are Philadelphia and Loadicea. Neither have a formal system but one aims at fulfilling all the requirement by brotherly love. They are commended but warned. Loadicea also has no formal ecclesiastical system, but they made the Church their goal and not Christ. Christ is not needed and shut out of His OWN door. The Laodiceans best represent the free Churches to day. They have renowned Bible Institutes and high tech preaching methods. Money and numbers occupy the responsible brothers (and sisters in some cases). No great sin is tied to them. But neither is salt and light attached to them. The Church should have been a mustard tree with piquant fruit. The fire of trials and the fire of discipline should have been felt. But they are neither hot nor cold.

Your reasons above fit this perfectly. They fit Christians who are Lukewarm. They go Church for the Church's sake, or they stay away for their own sake. There is no though of being a member of that most renowned Body in the universe - Christ's. They have no understanding that the materials for building the Church lie in the ascended Lord Who gives gifts to men. The attitude is one of; "Is the Church right for me?" Then, when the Lord delivers a passionate, aggressive, outspoken teacher who is HOT, they say; "No thanks. He's too hot. He is too absolute. Tone down the rhetoric and we will hear you". 

I returned from a work-stint in the Middle East ten years ago. I visited Church after Church to join in fellowship. In all of them, when they noticed that I knew too much they subtly blocked me. "Too hot!" "Too radical!" "Applies the Word too relentlessly!" "Makes us feel uncomfortable!""Don't rock our boat!". "You are welcome and so is your money. But please ... no speaking about the Bible.

And so the fire-kindlers are marginalized and Laodicea wallows in its Church life of comfort. Gone is scripture which says;

15 But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth. (1 Ti 3:15).