Babylon, Babylon, Babylon...

[Triton57]

20 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

It is not one city, the name Babylon comes from Babel (Confusion). In Rev. 17 & 18 we have a two sided coin, Religion & Government getting judged by God. Who confuses the masses? Satan and his demons. Who has power over all the cities/nations in this world according to Luke 4? Satan told Jesus all these kingdoms have been given unto me, and I will give them unto you if you will just kneel down and worship me.

So, in Rev. 17 we see an Angel shows John a vision, and it is only in verses 3-6. This Harlot woman is described, then we are told this is a MYSTERY, then we are given Three Descriptors that describe unto us who this Harlot is, meaning its no longer a Mystery

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1.) Babylon the Great is a DESCRIPTOR here, nothing more. Babylon is world renowned for its FALSE RELIGION. 

2.) Mother of Harlots is another DESCRIPTOR, because FALSE RELIGION is the original Harlotry. 

3.) Abominations of the Earth also DESCRIBES who this Harlot is. God HATES all FALSE RELIGION.So, God is telling us that the Harlot (False Religion) who rides the back of these [Government] Beast Kingdoms in that they all had false religions interspersed amongst them, are both going to be judged.

Not sure I'd thought of the symbology of Babylon from it's root meaning confusion as to why that great city would be connected to the name, but it makes sense. We're told before Christ's return there would be great apostasy and the revealing of the man of sin. 2 Thessalonians 2:1-11 What is apostasy but confusion regarding the truth? And indeed the false religion bringing in confusion will be great at that time. However there is one other verse that describes the unfaithful harlot.

Revelation 17:18
And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

So the woman is that great city the rules over the world. We know from Revelation 13 that the world gives their power to the beast, who is the little horn that comes up after and among the 10 horns, and the seventh and eighth heads of the Dragon. What's interesting is in the context of Israel and Jerusalem, around which most prophecy revolves, there are yet unfulfilled prophecies about the world coming to worship the Messiah Yeshua at Jerusalem in His kingdom.

It seems to me that a people blinded from recognizing the Messiah that already came are primed for deception using Yeshua's prophecies to simulate a different messiah before Yeshua returns. This false messiah would purposely fulfill those prophecies that Yeshua has not yet fulfilled, taking advantage of the lack of expectation of 2 parousias. He will come as the conquering king that stands for Israel that the people have been looking for.

And as we know from prophecy, the false christ will do it in Jerusalem and the world will give him their power. He's doing exactly what Yeshua will do after He destroys the false christ, but God is allowing the little charade to happen before hand to allow His people to show their true allegiance. This will be a false religion, based on the foundation laid of the only true religion, faith in Yeshua.

But both the false religion/kingdom/christ and the true religion/kingdom/Christ are centered in Jerusalem and I don't think this is a coincidence. I agree that the harlot is tied to false religion, but the harlot is that great city that rules over the kings of the earth. A city is nothing by itself and represents its inhabitants. Therefore, the false religion is practiced in that great city, which is the same one both the false christ and Yeshua will rule from and the world will bring their glory to put at both their feet at different times.

I think there good scriptural reasons to associate that great city with Jerusalem specifically and likewise with the city being a harlot.

Isaiah 1:18-27
Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool. If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land: But if ye refuse and rebel, ye shall be devoured with the sword: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken [it]. How is the faithful city become an harlot! it was full of judgment; righteousness lodged in it; but now murderers. Thy silver is become dross, thy wine mixed with water: Thy princes [are] rebellious, and companions of thieves: every one loveth gifts, and followeth after rewards: they judge not the fatherless, neither doth the cause of the widow come unto them. Therefore saith the Lord, the LORD of hosts, the mighty One of Israel, Ah, I will ease me of mine adversaries, and avenge me of mine enemies: And I will turn my hand upon thee, and purely purge away thy dross, and take away all thy tin: And I will restore thy judges as at the first, and thy counsellors as at the beginning: afterward thou shalt be called, The city of righteousness, the faithful city. Zion shall be redeemed with judgment, and her converts with righteousness.

This seems fairly clear that Jerusalem on Zion is called a harlot because a city can be nothing but that which is defined by her inhabitants. It's also associated with faithlessness in its harlotry and faithfulness in its redemption, sticking with the many scriptures of Israel's harlotry being those times when, while married to God by a covenant, went after other gods and played the harlot.

In this I think that you are right that false religion underlies the title of harlotry, even the mother of harlots.

Hosea 2:1-4
Say ye unto your brethren, Ammi; and to your sisters, Ruhamah. Plead with your mother, plead: for she [is] not my wife, neither [am] I her husband: let her therefore put away her whoredoms out of her sight, and her adulteries from between her breasts; Lest I strip her naked, and set her as in the day that she was born, and make her as a wilderness, and set her like a dry land, and slay her with thirst. And I will not have mercy upon her children; for they [be] the children of whoredoms.

Israel in context, and all mankind in reality, have a problem with going after other gods. However, prophecy is centered primarily around Israel and the covenant relationship she entered into with God at Sinai. The harlot nation that couldn't follow faithfully after God bred harlots and is the mother of harlots. It doesn't fit in the Biblical context to look at the other nations as they never had a relationship with God like the covenant relationship Israel did.

And so I think the people who inhabit the city depict the harlot riding the Dragon, led by the little horn of the eighth head to destruction.

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God will use the Anti-Christ and his 10 (E.U.) kings to kill off False Religion, in that he demands to be worshiped as the only god. Thus they kill her and burn her with fire, simply meaning they forbid all religions except Beast Worship, and anyone who refuses to worship the Beast they will kill.

I take a slightly different view in that the false christ is the false religion, the whole world will worship him. But he comes up amongst the 10 horns. The horns represent kings of kingdoms, and since this little horn defeats 3 of the 10 kingdoms, it's clear he is not little in terms of power, but of size in comparison to the 10.

The little horn's center of power is in Jerusalem and the state of Israel is small in comparison to the surrounding Muslim kingdoms of the Middle East. The 10 kings don't like the little horn, that's why three of them attack and are dealt with, that's why the false christ goes forth conquering and to conquer. Daniel 11:40-12:1 speaks to this time I believe.

Revelation 17:16-17
And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire. For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.

These 10 horns aren't in an alliance with the little horn because they agree, they still hate him and his kingdom, but God puts it in their hearts to fulfill His will and give their kingdom to the beast until the Word of God is fulfilled. Then their hatred for Jersualem and its inhabitants is expressed, after the wrath of God is complete and they destroy the city.

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She has the blood of the Saints (Jews throughout all history) and the blood of the Martyrs of Jesus (Christians) so False Religion covers all time on earth, and is in every nation on this earth, thus the MANY WATERS verse.

The saints are the righteous IMO, and just like not all who say they have faith actually do, not all who's lips speak of the Lord have their hearts near to Him also. Israel was sent prophets and messengers many times and the unrighteous harlots of the day killed them. Indeed, the early church was persecuted by their own people for perceived blasphemy by blind people.

Luke 13:31-33
The same day there came certain of the Pharisees, saying unto him, Get thee out, and depart hence: for Herod will kill thee. And he said unto them, Go ye, and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils, and I do cures to day and to morrow, and the third [day] I shall be perfected. Nevertheless I must walk to day, and to morrow, and the [day] following: for it cannot be that a prophet perish out of Jerusalem.

I think many people think of the Revelation 17 Dragon as a hydra with many heads, but if you look closely, at the time of the vision 5 of those heads are fallen and one is and one is yet to come. This hydra appearance is an overview and these 7 heads are connected to 7 mountains. If the heads are temporal and the mountains are spacial yet they are connected to each other, then we must conclude that the 7 mountains represent 1 mountain at each of the 7 times of the 7 heads.

John is given a 7-headed dragon view through time, but when focusing on a particular time, there is only the head of that time on the Dragon. So in John's day the Dragon had the head of Rome and Rome ruled over Jerusalem while on Zion the religious system was kept by the Jews. They shed the blood of Yeshua just as they had at previous points with the prophets. So I agree there is a historical aspect to this.

There is a future short time where the Dragon will have only one head with 10 horns and a little horn. The 10 horns aren't dispersed throughout the 7 heads, they only exist on the future head of the end. Then when that head is killed and resurrected, there is one final head, the eighth, on the Dragon having 10 horns and a little horn representing the time of his kingdom.

I think this is the time focused on most regarding the blood the harlot, and the world, will shed and why it's called great tribulation as opposed to the tribulation believers have been in previous to it.

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The Scarlet and Purple verses is another clue it has nothing to do with the RCC because it represents GOVERNMENTS & RELIGIOUS ORDERS. Those two colors were very hard to create and thus very expensive, one came from a small rare bug and the other from seeds of a shrub in Egypt, thus common men did not wear these colors, only Gov. Royals or Religious Orders. Thus the Woman rides the Beasts back. (False Religion & Governments were co-mingled)

This is another place where I think we see a correlation between the religious system of Jerusalem Biblically that goes awry in apostasy in Revelation.

Revelation 17:4-5
And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: And upon her forehead [was] a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH."

Exodus 28:1-6, 8-10, 15, 17-24, 31, 33, 36-38
And take thou unto thee Aaron thy brother, and his sons with him, from among the children of Israel, that he may minister unto me in the priest's office, [even] Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, Eleazar and Ithamar, Aaron's sons. And thou shalt make holy garments for Aaron thy brother for glory and for beauty. And thou shalt speak unto all [that are] wise hearted, whom I have filled with the spirit of wisdom, that they may make Aaron's garments to consecrate him, that he may minister unto me in the priest's office. And these [are] the garments which they shall make; a breastplate, and an ephod, and a robe, and a broidered coat, a mitre, and a girdle: and they shall make holy garments for Aaron thy brother, and his sons, that he may minister unto me in the priest's office. And they shall take gold, and blue, and purple, and scarlet, and fine linen. And they shall make the ephod [of] gold, [of] blue, and [of] purple, [of] scarlet, and fine twined linen, with cunning work. ... And the curious girdle of the ephod, which [is] upon it, shall be of the same, according to the work thereof; [even of] gold, [of] blue, and purple, and scarlet, and fine twined linen. And thou shalt take two onyx stones, and grave on them the names of the children of Israel: Six of their names on one stone, and [the other] six names of the rest on the other stone, according to their birth. ... And thou shalt make the breastplate of judgment with cunning work; after the work of the ephod thou shalt make it; [of] gold, [of] blue, and [of] purple, and [of] scarlet, and [of] fine twined linen, shalt thou make it. ... And thou shalt set in it settings of stones, [even] four rows of stones: [the first] row [shall be] a sardius, a topaz, and a carbuncle: [this shall be] the first row. And the second row [shall be] an emerald, a sapphire, and a diamond. And the third row a ligure, an agate, and an amethyst. And the fourth row a beryl, and an onyx, and a jasper: they shall be set in gold in their inclosings. And the stones shall be with the names of the children of Israel, twelve, according to their names, [like] the engravings of a signet; every one with his name shall they be according to the twelve tribes. And thou shalt make upon the breastplate chains at the ends [of] wreathen work [of] pure gold. And thou shalt make upon the breastplate two rings of gold, and shalt put the two rings on the two ends of the breastplate. And thou shalt put the two wreathen [chains] of gold in the two rings [which are] on the ends of the breastplate. ... And thou shalt make the robe of the ephod all [of] blue. ... And [beneath] upon the hem of it thou shalt make pomegranates [of] blue, and [of] purple, and [of] scarlet, round about the hem thereof; and bells of gold between them round about: ... And thou shalt make a plate [of] pure gold, and grave upon it, [like] the engravings of a signet, HOLINESS TO THE LORD. And thou shalt put it on a blue lace, that it may be upon the mitre; upon the forefront of the mitre it shall be. And it shall be upon Aaron's forehead, that Aaron may bear the iniquity of the holy things, which the children of Israel shall hallow in all their holy gifts; and it shall be always upon his forehead, that they may be accepted before the LORD.

This is only part of Exodus 28 and Exodus 39 also depicts this. I'm not sure I could use a better term than to be decked with gold and precious stones and arrayed in purple and scarlet. Just as a king represents a kingdom as is represented in the heads and horns, the high priest represents the religion, which is intricately tied to Jerusalem. And if Jerusalem is the center of the false christ kingdom and periods of apostasy where the saints were killed in throughout history, then it would stand to reason that the harlot depicted riding the Dragon in the end when there will be great tribulation could be related to the apostate priesthood that will be ministering to the false christ as if he is the messiah they expected.

What's interesting is the harlot wears a name written on her forehead just as Aaron had HOLINESS TO THE LORD on his forehead. And a cup of wine is part of the offerings at the temple as well.

This would all seem to line up with each other, the apostate city, the apostate religious order of the city, the wicked king of the kingdom making his seat in the city, and the visual depictions of each. That's where I'm at right now in my understanding.

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What is Rev. 18 about then? That is the WHOLE WORLD (Babylon under Satan's Dark rule over mankind) being Judged by God. NOTICE in vs. 2 Babylon (World) has become a HABITATION of Devils, and......Satan gets cast down at the midway point of the 70th week, AND Apollyon and his demon hordes are released at the 1st Woe !! Then in vs. 4 we see God says "Come out of her (Babylon/World) my people (Israel who repent) lest you partake in her sins and her plagues". This is God telling us about the 1/3 who repent and flee into the Petra/Bozrah area.

In Rev. 18:8 and 10 God says Babylon will be Destroyed in ONE DAY and in ONE HOUR, well, both mean 42 months. The Day of the Lord lasts 42 months. And as we see in Rev. 17:12 the 10 Kings rule ONE HOUR with the Beast or 42 months. This is not ONE CITY being Judged, its the whole world being Judged by God over a 42 month period.

I also see that the Dragon is cast down mid-week, when the time of Jacob's trouble begins after the abomination of desolation. In my understanding this is because the 7th head is killed and becomes the 8th in his resurrection. Speculation on my part is that he will die in a Gog/Magog style attack that is defeated while defending Israel. When resurrected he will be viewed as Messiah ben Joseph and then be accepted as Messiah ben David. In this he will lay claim on the fulfillment of prophecy and claim to have died for Israel and create a new covenant different from the strengthened Mosaic Covenant he re-established at the start of the 70th week.

Jeremiah 31:31-34
Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day [that] I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: But this [shall be] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

No sin means no daily sacrifice is needed. A new covenant means he can make up whatever he wants to be the new covenant. People won't need to teach about him because he will be right there in their midst. At that time Jerusalem would become the seat of the false religion established by the hijacking of the Old Testament prophecies and a strong delusion God sends that they believe the lie.

I agree the whole world is being judged during this time, but there are also specific judgements on the seat of the beast and God allows the Islamic kingdoms that hate Israel to finally destroy Jerusalem after God's wrath is completed. Given the terraforming that will be happening to build the new city Yeshua will rule from, I imagine not much if anything will remain standing of Jerusalem as we know it.

I also agree there are more general and global implications regarding false religion, I just think there are also specific identifying factors that should also be taken into account.

[Diaste]

17 hours ago, Luther said:

Simple. The ones who control the world banking system. They're an elite untouchable group of people that really hate us, and wish to see our destruction, particularly European stock. They control everything, from politicians to media to entertainment. They have created a " Babylonian society"( which is where these people and their teachings originate) that we live in. Jesus commands us to break free from their perverted antichrist agenda:

I don't disagree. What do you suppose that hierarchy looks like? The banking elite clearly collude, who is at the head of that meeting? 

I suspect, and I could be way off, Satan has a spokesperson or a prime minister directing the course of worlds commerce and flow of money. I'm convinced that will be consolidated at some point in Babylon. 

Where is Babylon in your opinion? 

17 hours ago, Luther said:

Revelation 18:4
And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

I believe now is the time to draw closer to God more than ever because it is very obvious what's going on around us. They are dividing us and making us accept their version of " godliness" which is always the opposite of Jesus Christ. And boy do they hate Christ and his people. 

True.

[Diaste]

18 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

And by the way, I understood this about 8-10 years ago in full because the Lord rebuked a blog I was writing saying that THAT CITY in Rev. 17:18 was Rome, and showed me who Babylon was at the same time, its in plain sight and we miss it, in ONE VERSE (2 passages really) God tells us who He sees Babylon the Great as.

Rev. 16:19 And the great city was divided into three parts(Jerusalem/Earthquake/2nd Coming of Jesus), and the cities of the nations fell:(Jesus SPEAKS VICTORY) and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

Now we jus need to see WHO Jesus/God defeats at Armageddon right? It's too easy.

Conflating the destruction of Babylon and the final battle in the valley of Jehoshaphat? I'm going to ask for evidence to link the two as happening at the same time. That evidence has to be more than a scripture fragment and an "This is what it means..." opinion.

Are you saying Babylon is only destroyed at the bitter end of the last week, during Armageddon? 

So this happens while the kings of the earth are getting destroyed at Armageddon?

"Then the kings of the earth who committed sexual immorality and lived in luxury with her will weep and wail at the sight of the smoke rising from the fire that consumes her.e 10In fear of her torment, they will stand at a distance and cry out:"

"And the merchants of the earth will weep and mourn over her, because there is no one left to buy their cargo"

"Every shipmaster, passenger, and sailor, and all who make their living from the sea, will stand at a distance 18and cry out at the sight of the smoke rising from the fire that consumes her"

I suppose that's possible. 

18 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

 

So, God tells us Jesus in Revelation 16:19 defeats Babylon the Great THEN He describes them as the Kings of the WHOLE EARTH in the 6th Vial. 

Revisit your thinking here. Seems off kilter.

18 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

I do not just guess brother. I call Babylon the WHOLE WORLD because God calls it that. 

Hmmm....

All the nations have drunkc the wine

of the passion of her immorality.

The kings of the earth were immoral with her,

and the merchants of the earth have grown wealthy

from the extravagance of her luxury.”

How are the nations and kings drunk and fornicating with her is she is them? This is referring to a prostitute with many clients. Babylon is not the kings of the earth.

"Then the kings of the earth who committed sexual immorality and lived in luxury with her will weep and wail at the sight of the smoke rising from the fire that consumes her"

Again we see the kings are not Babylon. This is akin to the many clients of a prostitute seeing her  hauled off to prison. The kings and Babylon are not the same here or we would be seeing the kings hauled off to prison, but we don't.

 “Woe, woe to the great city, the mighty city of Babylon!

Scripture calls Babylon a city. In Rev 18 'earth' is 'ge'. In Rev 18 'city' is polis. I cannot equate the two and it sure looks like God doesn't either.

While the idea of Babylon the ideology infects the whole world, here we see Babylon as a city engaged in commerce. It's not just the sinful ideology of Rev 18:1-8 on display, it's also the fact Babylon is a commercial hub controlling all commerce all across the earth. This certainly would make Rev 13:16-17 possible if one controlled all the world's trade.

The conclusion that Babylon represent an infectious disease of the mind and flesh and deeply imbedded sin in the heart of her clients worldwide, Babylon is also a physical city that will exist, does exist. Two things, or more, can be true at the same time without contradiction.

Babylon's significance as a city of the seat of power of God's enemy, and the enemy's control over the people of the world, cannot be overstated. 

The destruction of this symbol of the enemy's throne, power, and authority and the importance of that castration also cannot be overstated in it's necessity. 

 

[Dennis1209]

On 12/19/2024 at 4:18 AM, Diaste said:

Who is in control of Babylon [the city] now?

I view two mysteries in Babylon, spiritual and commercial.

In the interest of brevity, I will say I do not believe MYSTERY BABYLON, the MOTHER OF HARLOTS, is the city of Babylon (Shinar – Iraq) for a myriad of reasons.

This spiritual fornication precisely fits history through the empires and ages and what we see today. IMO, Revelation chapter 17, Zechariah chapter 5, and elsewhere give a vivid picture of who and where this mystery of spiritual Babylon is.

A study of the obelisk is also fascinating and telling.

 

[Jaydub]

6 hours ago, Diaste said:

Where is Babylon in your opinion? 

There is one scripture that answers that question for me, it is Revelation 18:24

24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

How can a city be responsible for the deaths of the prophets and saints and all who were slain on the earth? Babylon the great is not a place, its disobedience to our God, it is rejection of God and his word, it is our sinful nature, in this way revelation man is correct it is the whole world, because the earth will be judged of its sins. 

It is why we see in Revelation 18:4 God says, come out of her my people, so you do not share in her sins

We are not being called out of a place. We are not being called to come out of the world, but we are being called to come  out of our sinful ways. We are no longer of this world, because we belong to him. God is warning us to come out of her " Babylon" before judgement comes

[nebula]

I make no claims on having the ultimate answer on any one this, but for my little input points on the matter...

(1) I heard an interesting claim that being titled with the adjective "Mystery Babylon" implies this is something other than the physical city. 

(2) When interpreting the prophetic letter of Revelation, one must interpret it through two lenses: one is the lens of previous Biblical prophecy, the second is the lens of how the people at the time it was written for would understand it.

(3) In Daniel's prophecies, beasts represented kingdoms. So when we read about the beast that Mystery Babylon rides upon, we need to ask ourselves what this kingdom is. In ancient times, Babylon the city was the capitol city of the Babylonian Empire and then the Medo-Persian Empire. In the first century A.D. the city of Babylon was a waste land. But what did "Babylon" mean to the first century Christians? A city? A religious system? Something else? 

(4) Reading the description John gives for Mystery Babylon (i.e. the Mother of Harlots, drunk with the blood of the saints), this gives the impression that this is something far deeper than a physical place. 

[Luther]

4 hours ago, Diaste said:

I don't disagree. What do you suppose that hierarchy looks like? The banking elite clearly collude, who is at the head of that meeting? 

I suspect, and I could be way off, Satan has a spokesperson or a prime minister directing the course of worlds commerce and flow of money. I'm convinced that will be consolidated at some point in Babylon. 

Where is Babylon in your opinion? 

True.

Thank you for your reply. I need to be careful how I word everything. 

I believe I know what the hierarchy looks like. Their roots are completely Babylonian. They have their teachings right from the spirit of the Devil. They have worked as a cohesive family throughout history to destroy mankind. Their end goal is literally to create the environment for Satan to be worshiped as God. They are spoken of in Revelation as the "great whore",

"With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication" (Revelation 17:2).

This whore was once the woman  (compare Jeremiah 50:42 with Jeremiah 6:23. Context we could talk about later). The point is I believe the whore stole the woman's identity. The whore is that hierarchy, or group of people that has cursed the world with their wars and perverted filth to where we are now up to our noses in it. 

I believe the four beasts to be Satan and his world kingdoms ( Daniel 7:17) throughout history. The beast can be a reference to Satan himself ( Rev. 17:8) or can also represent his kingdom ( Rev. 17:7). 

Babylon is the fourth kingdom, Satan's world kingdom in our time. He is the  "little horn" that becomes " visible" to the world, which will either willingly worship him ( due to strong delusion and the prosperity he brings), or be slaves to him. 

Revelation 13:7-8

And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

[8]And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

The time of the little horn's reign is the very moment the protection of the Holy Spirit is removed from this world, also know as THE GREAT TRIBULATION.

(My belief at this time is) at that point no one will be able to receive the love of the truth ( the gospel of salvation, 2Thess.2:11-12) because the Holy Spirit is " taken out of the way" or midst, v.7.  (I could be wrong about that, but I have other verses to make that argument, and ultimately God is sovereign).

The time of Great Tribulation is notably a time of spiritual apostasy, more than physically. The world may be in a very prosperous, glorious looking scenario. Sorry to say folks, but the whore will most likely be giving the power to TRUMP to make this world look like a better place. Which segways nicely to your question, 

"who is at the head of that meeting? "

Well, money makes the world go round, so technically the head of the Federal reserve has the most power. The most demonic people and even Satan himself work through the medium of power, which requires money. Can we have  wars that disfigure, displace and kill millions of innocent civilians without financial aid? Does that have the blessing of God?  Jesus says " Blessed are the peacemakers". 

Your last question, "Where is Babylon in your opinion?"

BABYLON is satans world kingdom. It is also called a " city" (Revelation 18:10) because the devil parallels Christ in every way ( that's a good scripture study). While New Jerusalem is our " city of God", Babylon is satans city where all the kings and merchants of the earth commit fornication. 

And I believe this " hierarchy" to be the " mystery" in " mystery Babylon" because guess what? Mostly all of the world at this point ( although it's starting to change) can't see the enemy right before their eyes. And the mark of the beast? Maybe we'll talk about that later.....

 

[Revelation Man]

4 hours ago, Diaste said:

Conflating the destruction of Babylon and the final battle in the valley of Jehoshaphat? I'm going to ask for evidence to link the two as happening at the same time. That evidence has to be more than a scripture fragment and an "This is what it means..." opinion.

I added the evidence in another post or at the bottom via an edit, I forget which atm. God calls Rev. 16:19 the 7th Vial Great Babylon's Destruction via His Wrath. And they are called in Vial #6 the Kings of the WHOLE WORLD.

4 hours ago, Diaste said:

Are you saying Babylon is only destroyed at the bitter end of the last week, during Armageddon? 

 

Of course, Babylon is Satan's Dark Rule of CONFUSION over Mankind, his rule is taken away at the 7th Vial when God/Jesus defeats his henchman the Anti-Christ & False Prophet and their Armies then locks him up for 1000 years and that equals Babylon has Fallen. The world being Judged is a part of this, as is Satan being cast down to earth for the last 1260 days, but it all comes to a head when he gets cast into the bottomless pit and can not deceive the masses anymore for a 1000 years. 

4 hours ago, Diaste said:

So this happens while the kings of the earth are getting destroyed at Armageddon?

"Then the kings of the earth who committed sexual immorality and lived in luxury with her will weep and wail at the sight of the smoke rising from the fire that consumes her.e 10In fear of her torment, they will stand at a distance and cry out:"

"And the merchants of the earth will weep and mourn over her, because there is no one left to buy their cargo"

"Every shipmaster, passenger, and sailor, and all who make their living from the sea, will stand at a distance 18and cry out at the sight of the smoke rising from the fire that consumes her"

I suppose that's possible. 

Yes sir, and it all goes back to the 7th Vial's lingo, who takes us back to the 6th Vial to see who is defeated.

Rev. 16:19 And the great city was divided into three parts(Jerusalem/Earthquake), and the cities of the nations fell:(Jesus defeats his enemies at Armageddon, but who are they? Lets see in Vial #6) and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

Rev. 16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

8 hours ago, Diaste said:

Revisit your thinking here. Seems off kilter.

On 12/21/2024 at 9:28 AM, Revelation Man said:

SPOTON ........SEE ABOVE

8 hours ago, Diaste said:

Hmmm....

All the nations have drunk the wine

of the passion of her immorality.

The kings of the earth were immoral with her,

and the merchants of the earth have grown wealthy

from the extravagance of her luxury.”

How are the nations and kings drunk and fornicating with her is she is them? This is referring to a prostitute with many clients. Babylon is not the kings of the earth.

All the nations have drunk the wine of the passion of her immorality(Babylon the CONFUSED MASSES have drunk the wine of Satan's leadership of excess, Greed, Adultery, Murder, Hate, Rape, Lying etc. etc. ).

The kings of the earth were immoral with her,  (Satan was their PREFERED god, they choose and loved Greed, Sexual Perversions, Money and Lust over God) and the merchants of the earth have grown wealthy from the extravagance of her luxury.”

The Merchants of Babylon are simply those who chose THE WORLD's Luxuries over the one true God holy word and Jesus.

8 hours ago, Diaste said:

"Then the kings of the earth who committed sexual immorality and lived in luxury with her will weep and wail at the sight of the smoke rising from the fire that consumes her"

Again we see the kings are not Babylon. This is akin to the many clients of a prostitute seeing her  hauled off to prison. The kings and Babylon are not the same here or we would be seeing the kings hauled off to prison, but we don't.

The Kings of the WHOLE WORLD fight God why? Because they choose THIS WORLD & Satan over God. Might want to under how God uses prose at times, He s not giving us actual men's reactions and lives, but THE HEART OF MANKIND in prose.

Babylon is the WHOLE WORLD, the Kings of the WHOLE WORLD fight Jesus at Armageddon.

8 hours ago, Diaste said:

“Woe, woe to the great city, the mighty city of Babylon!

Woe, woe woe the the WHOLE WORLD (Babylon)

8 hours ago, Diaste said:

Scripture calls Babylon a city. In Rev 18 'earth' is 'ge'. In Rev 18 'city' is polis. I cannot equate the two and it sure looks like God doesn't either.

God calls 7 Kingdoms a Beast with 7 Heads, He calls False Religion a Harlot Woman, he calls the 5 million (1/3) Jews who repent the 144,000 via a code, He calls Demons Locusts in Rev. 9 etc. etc.

8 hours ago, Diaste said:

While the idea of Babylon the ideology infects the whole world, here we see Babylon as a city engaged in commerce. It's not just the sinful ideology of Rev 18:1-8 on display, it's also the fact Babylon is a commercial hub controlling all commerce all across the earth. This certainly would make Rev 13:16-17 possible if one controlled all the world's trade.

 

Its prose man.

God is going to Judge the WHOLE WORLD which followed Satan and not God, who loved Money, Greed, Lust, over God and hos word and his beloved Son Jesus. 

God shows us the TWO SIDED COIN in Rev. 17 (False Religion) and in  Rev. 18 (False Governance meaning they follow Satan, not God).

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On 12/21/2024 at 3:19 AM, Diaste said:

Sure. 

The Chaldeans under Nebuchadnezzar, then the Medo-Persians under many kings, then Alexander and Seleucid after him, all ruled from Babylon the city; a physical city existing in Iraq to this day. Also of note is the Romans never ruled over Babylon, did not establish Babylon as the seat of power of the Roman Empire, nor was it the capitol of the Roman Empire.

The Islamic conquests ruled that area for 700 years and are still the main ideology in the region.

From Rev 18, Babylon the city is going to make a come back. The city is to be the center of trade for the entire world and will also be destroyed in one hour. 

Is that city Babylon in Iraq? If it is, who is in control of that city?

As of today the Arab peoples of Islamic ideology are in control of that region and the city.

History and current events and conditions point us to Islamic ideology at the end of the age, not a revived Roman Empire.

Revelation 17:5
And upon her forehead [was] a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

This is one of those verses I'm inclined to take less literal because of the addition of mystērion to the name Babylon. This means a hidden thing, a secret. To say this is literally talking about the ancient city of Babylon seems counter to that, an obvious thing.

Another thing I've been dwelling on lately are the identities of the 10 horns, not so much the literal identities, but more generally. I believe this is relevant to proper identification because, to your point, who controls the city helps define the city. The 10 horns are first introduced by Daniel in relation to a little horn that comes up among them.

Daniel 7:2-3, 7-8
Daniel spake and said, I saw in my vision by night, and, behold, the four winds of the heaven strove upon the great sea. And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another. ... After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it [was] diverse from all the beasts that [were] before it; and it had ten horns. I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn [were] eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

As opposed to John's vision in Revelation 13 where these same 3 animals are combined with the 10-horned beast as part of the Dragon, Daniel's vision has them separate and diverse from each other. Additionally, the word "before" used in relating the 4th beast to the first 3 is not temporal in nature, qŏḏām is spacial in nature as in front of. Given that they are united with the Dragon in John's vision describing the kingdom of the false christ and his false prophet, Daniel's vision must be showing a time before this uniting. We even see described after the destruction of the 4th beast at Christ's coming, that the other 3 beasts lose their dominion but are allowed to continue. This is after they were united with the 4th terrible beast as part of the Dragon.

Daniel 7:12
As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.

To me this would seem to depict likely the first sign we will see of the end, the quartering of power in the world through political agreements such that global governance is consolidated. This is evident in the fact that the 10 horns are 10 kings of kingdoms, yet they are depicted as the 4th beast. So this would be a region of the world with political alliances of 10 nations, just as the leopard with 4 heads could be an alliance of 4 kingdoms or even groups of kingdoms.

With the 10-horned beast taking center stage in the prophetic narrative, it seems to me like this is talking of the region of the Middle East since Jerusalem and Israel is central to this narrative.

Furthermore, there is a declared ratio of 10:1 in this region, where 10 distinctive horns separate from each other but not dissimilar in size, have a little horn rise up among them. This would seem to indicate in the Middle East region there will be 11 kingdoms involved in this time period. The fact that the little horn plucks 3 of the 10 horns indicates it is more powerful than the 10 and the alliance between the 10 is not destroyed by the little horn plucking 3 of their members.

So the question is, if Babylon is supposed to be a mystery, does it make sense for it to be literal Babylon? Given what Daniel says, it would seem not.

A political alliance of 10 kingdoms in the Middle East will exist where a smaller kingdom will subdue 3 of the surrounding larger kingdoms. This won't destroy the alliance or cause the other 7 horns to destroy the little horn, they will give their power to him.

This fits with the idea that the harlot is a city and that city is Jerusalem because this is made the seat of the false christ when he takes over the temple there. And the inhabitants, the majority of them, will follow after this other god playing the harlot. Indeed they will make the city the center of their false messianic kingdom, believing that prophecy about the Messiah of Israel is being fulfilled in their lifetimes. It is, just not the prophecies they want to be associated with for eternal life.

This smaller kingdom than the surrounding 10 kingdoms has a capital and in Revelation 17, this woman (Jerusalem) is hated by the 10 horns, but because of the power of the beast (little horn) with which they are associated, they give their power to him to receive power as kings with him for a short time.

Revelation 17:11-13
And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition. And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.

The beast represents the political power while the woman would seem to represent the religious power, but during the false christ's kingdom, these two are one. The 10 horns hate the woman, they always had, and they give their power to the beast because they have no choice, he is undefeatable. So they bide their time and God puts it in their hearts to give their power to the false christ kingdom until God's will is fulfilled at the conclusion of His wrath. Then that great city is destroyed by the 10.

Revelation 17:16-18
And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire. For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled. And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

Now if we take all this prophetic data from scripture and place it on the political landscape as it is today, some things seem very clear.

The little horn is a king of a smaller kingdom than its neighbors, which in the Middle East points straight to Israel as that kingdom and the surrounding Islamic nations as the 10 horns. These 10 have reason to try and unite, indeed a Caliphate is one of their goals. When confronted with an enemy they can't seem to defeat, they may be pushed into this kind of shaky and ultimately powerless alliance with each other.

The little horn is able to defeat 3 of the 10 larger horns and the other 7 do nothing. Since October 7, 2023 we have seen Israel caution about inflaming the region thrown off and the kind of strength to defeat all her enemies amidst the protestations of the global community. It's a righteous retaliation to an unrighteous attack by her neighbors. There is a divide in Islam between Sunni and Shia where we've seen in the Abraham Accords that the former is more ready for peace and the latter is antagonistic against the existence of Israel. I think this combined with the strength by which the 3 horns are plucked will be why the 7 don't retaliate for the 3, because it will be another October 7-style antagonism against Israel that will cause her to retaliate back and defeat the 3 kingdoms, or at least their kings. The 10 horns remain throughout, so a new king will likely be installed to replace those plucked. Then all 10 will give their power to the little horn, who is king of the little kingdom centered in Jerusalem.

This fits with the expectations of Orthodox Judaism in the fulfillment of prophecy. They expect a king from the line of David to turn the hearts back to God, rebuild the temple, change the times and laws of the land to conform to the statutes of the Mosaic Covenant, which will be brought back and strengthened. They are looking for a king to fight their battles and win for them.

Revelation 6:2
And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

The rise of the little horn is the breaking of the first seal, when he doesn't take the kingdom, a crown is given to him, the people offer the king of their little kingdom reign over them. And what does he do? He goes forth conquering. I believe the reason for this is the same reason October 7, 2023 happened in part because of the red heifers. The surrounding Islamic people cannot tolerate a return of temple worship and just as the red heifer is the first step to that happening, the Messiah is said to build the temple. He will go out conquering as a response to attacks for taking a stand for Israel and bringing back the temple perceived by a blinded people as necessary for relationship with God and redemption for the people. His conquering would seem to be continued in seals 2 and 4 leading up to 5. I believe Daniel 11-12 also give insight to this time, the result of Israel's neighbors attacking her.

Daniel 11:40-12:1
And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over. He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many [countries] shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, [even] Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon. He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape. But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians [shall be] at his steps. But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many. And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him. And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation [even] to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

The previous verses of Daniel 11 showed the king of the south and north pushing at each other. Now suddenly at the end they are both pushing against a 3rd party. Note that there are 3 enemies of Israel explicitly shown as defeated, Egypt, North, and East. This person the north and south come against is the false christ and in this passage he defeats 3 enemies and comes back to Jerusalem where he comes to his end and is immediately followed by unparalleled tribulation.

All of this sounds not like an Islamic false christ that would attack his fellow Muslim nations, not to say they don't fight each other, but rather a false christ from the line of David who poses as a king of Israel and they accept him. He builds their temple, defeats their enemies and dies and is resurrected at which point he declares himself god in the temple at Jerusalem and the great tribulation begins. With a ratio of 10:1, if we're going to define who the false christ is when there are 10+ Islamic kingdoms and 1 Jewish kingdom and the little horn is that one king over the kingdom, it seems to me that everything points to Jerusalem and Israel, as most prophecy does.

The fact that Jerusalem is the center of the false christ kingdom and is also depicted as a harlot city going after false gods and hated by the 10 horns just seems to fit together very well from a plain reading of scripture and a clear view of the political and religious state of the region today. That's not to say I'm right, it is just the most logical understanding I have come to see clearly to date.

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On 12/21/2024 at 6:56 AM, Revelation Man said:

Yes, it is the whole world who followed after Satan's Lies, Greed, look at the world today, promoting homosexuality with rainbow colors on sports teams, for filthy moneys sake etc. There is a reason Babylon was used, God is all knowing, He wrote the book of Revelation in a way which we could later read this great book, if it had been written saying Rome or THE WHOLE WORLD would be judged and destroyed, then Rome would have seen that is treason because they saw themselves as rulers of the whole world, so they would have placed anyone with those letters/holy word in prison. So, instead God used the word Babylon, which was a Dead City, and Roman rulers/soldiers seeing this would no doubt have laughed at these "Christian lunatics", that is why the word was used, its up to us to understand God is never going to judge ONE CITY, the scriptures shows us 100's of verses saying the world will be judged, yet you guys see Babylon, which God has already stated will never be a lived in city again, and think Babylon will be rebuilt, all because you do not do what Isaiah says, here a little, there a little, line upon line precept upon precept, hes telling us all scripture has to be meshed together and still fit. Babylon will never be a city again unless God's word is in error, thus why use Babylon, well I showed why God used Babylon as a catch all for this whole world being judged.

Now I will show what it means verse by verse, at a point it becomes mostly prose. 

The World being Judged by God which starts in Rev. 8, runs through Rev. 9 and 16.

Rev. 18:1 And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory (God's Glory descends, its Judgment time, Satan is cast out of heaven in vs. 2).

2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils(Satan has been cast to earth, not Babylon, and the earth's ownership by Satan has been TAKEN AWAY, she can no longer DELIGHT in Evil, that is why Satan gets locked up when Babylon falls), and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird. 3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her(Men have forsaken God for the love of money, for lust, for perversions and the seducer is Satan, the god of Babylon or THIS WORLD, remember Paul called Satan the god of THIS WORLD), and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.

4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues (So, Satan is CAST DOWN and IMMEDIATELY we see God is calling the 1/3 in Israel who repent to Flee Judea, in Rev. 12 we understand that story, why not here? Its the same story).

5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities(God Judges the WHOLE WORLD, not ONE CITY). 6 Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.

7 How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.

8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day(DOTL = 42 months), death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire:(1/3 of the worlds trees burn, smoke gets so thick it dims the suns light) for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.

9 And the kings of the earth(Its telling us in varied places the Kings of ALL THE EARTH and Merchants of ALL THE EARTH have played folly with her or Babylon THE WORLD of lies and seduction under Satan), who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning(Rev. 8 is 1/3 of the World burning not ONE CITY),

10 Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour (42 months) is thy judgment come. (Now we start the PROSE of this worlds title deed being taken away from Satan the Deceiver by God via His Judgments on mankind, who have been CONFUSED by Satan for nigh 6000 years at that point in time. Its mostly just prose telling us the Hearts of these WICKED MEN and how they now lament and cry because of this judgment on their BELOVED Babylon (world) they so loved more than they loved the Creator, the loving God who gave them life)

11 And the merchants of the earth(EARTH not Babylon, Babylon is Satan's DARK Kingdom over Mankind and he rules the WHOLE WORLD as Luke 4 tells us) shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:(The world is ablaze, men are hiding in caves, there of course is no trade going on anymore as verses 11-15 shows us over and over) 12 The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble. 13 And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men. 14 And the fruits that thy soul lusted after are departed from thee, and all things which were dainty and goodly are departed from thee, and thou shalt find them no more at all.

15 The merchants of these things, which were made rich by her(by following THE WORLDS WICKED WAYS, will look on stunned and fearful of JUDGMENT), shall stand afar off for the fear of her torment, weeping and wailing,

16 And saying, Alas, alas that great city(The whole world is being Judged, not ONE CITY, we intuitively KNOW THIS, yet we take verses out of context or fail to see why words needed to be used), that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls!

17 For in one hour so great riches is come to nought(the World is Judged in 42 months, not one hour, it is merely a code that can be understood by reading Rev. 17:12). And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off, 18 And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning(What burns? The World burns, 1/3 of its trees meaning 1/3 of the world burns, nit ONE CITY brother), saying, What city is like unto this great city!

19 And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas that great city(Their world which made them rich is destroyed, the LOVED this Evil World more than they loved God), wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.

20 Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her. 21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all. (God judges the World and avenges the deaths of EVERYONE, not just men killed by Babylon)

22 And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee;

23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee(The Church is in Heaven with Jesus the Bridegroom for 7 years, we ARE NOT on Earth for this Great Wrath on All of Mankind): for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived(By Satan's DECEPTION over mankind).

24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

How can the blood of ALL THE SAINTS and PROPHETS be on Babylon's hands? Because Babylon is Satan's Dark Kingdom of CONFUSION over Mankind. 

I agree God is going to judge the whole earth, but it's tied to them committing fornication. This is many times in the Old Testament defined as going after other gods and rejecting the one true God. Anyone who does not accept Yeshua before He returns to gather His bride will be under the wrath of God, though some protected through it and refined. This doesn't negate or generalize the idea of Mystery Babylon into anything but a city IMO.

As for the idea of all the blood and the saints being tied to Babylon, that too has a tie to Jerusalem.

Luke 11:47-51
Woe unto you! for ye build the sepulchres of the prophets, and your fathers killed them. Truly ye bear witness that ye allow the deeds of your fathers: for they indeed killed them, and ye build their sepulchres. Therefore also said the wisdom of God, I will send them prophets and apostles, and [some] of them they shall slay and persecute: That the blood of all the prophets, which was shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this generation; From the blood of Abel unto the blood of Zacharias, which perished between the altar and the temple: verily I say unto you, It shall be required of this generation.

Luke 13:31-35
The same day there came certain of the Pharisees, saying unto him, Get thee out, and depart hence: for Herod will kill thee. And he said unto them, Go ye, and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils, and I do cures to day and to morrow, and the third [day] I shall be perfected. Nevertheless I must walk to day, and to morrow, and the [day] following: for it cannot be that a prophet perish out of Jerusalem. O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee; how often would I have gathered thy children together, as a hen [doth gather] her brood under [her] wings, and ye would not! Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until [the time] come when ye shall say, Blessed [is] he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

It seems clear to me that Mystery Babylon is a hidden association with apostate Israel in Jerusalem, the only place where the prophets perished and upon which the judgment of all blood spilled by Israel of the messengers God sent them through their history. I think there's a reason why the 8 heads are represented as kings through time and are tied to the mountain upon which Jerusalem sits in Revelation 17. Jerusalem is the harlot riding the beast, sitting on Mount Zion, and going after other gods and killing God's people.

But you are also right in that the control of Mystery Babylon, the seat of the false christ will be global, and with the bride removed from the earth and all that is left are those in apostasy and fornication with Babylon, the seat of the false christ, they are under Babylon's wing and will receive the judgements appointed them, globally.