Annihilationism

[DeighAnn]

12 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

I do wonder why you like to say "what is written", but when I show you what has been written in the Bible, you don't believe it.

Because you never show it for what I am asking for|

WHICH SCRIPTURE TELLS US

The SPIRIT LEAVES THE 'HOUSE IN HEAVEN' to return for 'the old decaying' house from the earth

 

[DeighAnn]

2 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

Are you aware of any verse that describes what kind of body unbelievers will receive at their resurrection?  I'm not aware of any.  I'd love to know if the Bible describes any.

35But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come? 36Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die: 37And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain: 38But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body. 39All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds. 40There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. 41There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.

42So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: 43It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: 44It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. 45And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. 46Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. 47The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. 48As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. 49And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

[FreeGrace]

3 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

  FreeGrace said:

The Bible teaches that all unbelievers will be resurrected.  Dan 12:2, John 5:29 and Acts 24:15.  Do they receive a glorified immortal body?  Of course not.  That means they get their old mortal body back, but only for a short time.  Because after they are resurrected, they will attend the Great White Throne in Rev 20:11-15.  Have you read any of this?  After their evaluation (judgment), they will be cast into the LOF. 

Of course not?

That's correct;  of course NOT.  Why in the world would anyone think that any unbeliever would receive an immortal imperishable body at their resurrection?  How can you think such a thing? ALL unbelievers will die AGAIN physically when cast into the LOF. 

3 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

 THEN SHOW IT WRITTEN.

I've already done that in spades.  But you don't believe "what is written" when it conflicts with your opinion.

3 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

  Skip the explanations and get to the words of God.

Oh stop it.  I have used the Word of God, you know, "what is written" but you won't believe.  Rev 20:10 directly refutes annihilationism.

3 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

  You know that GODS TRUTH lies in the words written so SHOW THEM. 

Anyone who follows this thread KNOWS that I have shown them, and you have shown that you don't believe them.

3 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

 And, the short time dead are those from death hell and the sea at the end BUT you don't mention the dead who stand in judgment who were raised at the beginning of the 1000 years.

Yes, I certainly did.  In Rev 20:4-6 are the trib martyrs who are resurrected (along with all saved people per 1 Cor 15:23).  btw, these trib martyrs don'' "stand in judgment".  Instead they rule with Christ.  What passage are you reading from?

3 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

That's 1000 years of going and worshipping the KING and LORD, in decaying flesh and blood bodies apparently????

What??  Where are you getting such bizarre stuff?  That's why you need to properly cite whatever you get from the Bible.  

3 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

'born of the earth' that time????

What kind of question is this?  Has no meaning to me.  If you want an answer, you need to ask clear questions.

3 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

   Anyone can "be sure" or "certain" of any untrue idea or doctrine.  Your certainty, however, doesn't make it true, no matter how long you believe it to be true, or how hard you try to defend it.

My certainty comes from "what is written", even though you don't believe what I have shared with you.

3 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

But the bottom line is that there are no verses that in plain language teach that God resurrects the DECAYING OLD FLESH AND BLOOD BODY.

Some things are so obvious as to never need to be specifically mentioned.  We already have examples from the OT and NT of dead people coming back to life.  And there is no mention of any kind of DIFFERENT body.  In fact, at Lazarus' raising from the dead, he was STILL in the grave clothes.  Isn't that obvious enough for you?  

I think you are just being difficult, with such questions.  

3 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

  If it were TRUE, you would show them.

I have shown you "what is written" but you just don't believe them.

3 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

WHAT do we see written when it comes to the OLD BODY? a quick one or two...

Review the raising of Lazarus in John 11.  That is a good example.  He didn't get a new body, or a different one.  He got his original one back.  So you can change "old body" into "original body".  

3 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

19In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

WHERE is the from the dust you shall be resurrected verse?

I don't respond to statements preceded by a number.  I have no idea what you've copied and pasted.  If you are quoting Scripture, I've already explained what proper citation includes.

3 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

6 Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern. 7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it. 

WHERE is the 'the spirit shall return to the dust' to resurrect verse?

Ditto.

3 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

1For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.

What do we do with the "HOUSE not made with hands, eternal in the heavens" when we return to the earth for this  'house resurrected from the decay of the old body???' you speak of?

ditto.

If you are serious about getting an answer, then follow protocol in quoting verses.

[chirpy]

Lots of words and discussion on a subject none of us can be dogmatic about, all is theory, opinions, hopes, etc.

First - thinking as humans,  it is hard to understand that God is not human, He is spirit.  In His world there is no time.  Time is a human construct under which we and all of our known world lives.  Time is decay.  All of the world we know is decaying, including us.  It does repeat, new babies, new trees, but this world/universe is in decay.

Second -  God’s breath of life was not CO2… Physical life on earth needs CO2 as well,  and we are unique from the other creation.  What was breathed into humans was God’s breath of life that was not given to the rest of creation.  I think that breath of life gives us a spirit and this spirit that came from God’s breath, makes our spirit eternal.  Our physical being will die, but not our spirit,  as the spirit in us is from God.

Third -  This spirit is what the book of Romans talks about, that all will know of God’s existence, it is something inside of us that says …. God is there, we are His.  It is a choice we make to acknowledge that or deny it.  Some rebel against their creator, and some are drawn towards Him.

Forth -  Our human choice to acknowledge God and love Him, determines where we spend eternity.  We in our new spiritual existence will be with Him, or separated from Him.  

Saying that death includes our spirit/soul sounds like a cop out.  By saying there is no eternal life for our spirit or soul means there is no accountability for our physical life.  That seems to contradict the whole idea of repentance, Jesus mission of propitiation, the spiritual battle taking place between good and evil.

But I can say dogmatically that -  we will all know for sure at the end of our time on this earth.

 

 

[FreeGrace]

15 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

  FreeGrace said:

I do wonder why you like to say "what is written", but when I show you what has been written in the Bible, you don't believe it.

Because you never show it for what I am asking for|

Well, that clarifies a bit!  Thanks.  The problem is the unclearness of what you are asking for.  So choose your words more carefully so I understand what you are asking for.  That's how to get an answer.

15 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

WHICH SCRIPTURE TELLS US
The SPIRIT LEAVES THE 'HOUSE IN HEAVEN' to return for 'the old decaying' house from the earth

There are no such verses.  Why do you ask such a weird question?

When the soul/spirit of believers already in heaven, because they have died, the Bible never describes what they look like or even if they have a temporary "body".  

And why would any believer returh to "the old decaying house from earth".  

All the saints already in heaven come back with the King, per 1 Thess 4:13-17 and receive their new resurrection body.

I just can't figure out why you remain so confused about resurrection when I have been extremely thorough with my explanations.

[other one]

1 minute ago, chirpy said:

Lots of words and discussion on a subject none of us can be dogmatic about, all is theory, opinions, hopes, etc.

And since it really doesn't apply to me, I have to ask why should I care.

[FreeGrace]

16 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

FreeGrace said:

Are you aware of any verse that describes what kind of body unbelievers will receive at their resurrection?  I'm not aware of any.  I'd love to know if the Bible describes any.

35But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come? 36Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die: 37And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain: 38But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body. 39All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds. 40There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. 41There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.

42So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: 43It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: 44It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. 45And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. 46Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. 47The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. 48As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. 49And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

Sadly, I've explained this many times, but it seems you just won't believe.  In 1 Cor 15 Paul only discussed the resurrection of believers.

Why do you think he would include unbelievers?  That would imply that they receive glorified immortal imperishable bodies.  How does that make sense?

We know all unbelievers will be cast into the LOF or second death, but if any of them were given glorified bodies, which will not die, the title "second death" has NO MEANING.

I think you're not trying hard enough to understand.

[FreeGrace]

8 minutes ago, chirpy said:

Lots of words and discussion on a subject none of us can be dogmatic about, all is theory, opinions, hopes, etc.

Well, thanks for your opinion, but there is plenty of clear and plainly words verses on the subject.

8 minutes ago, chirpy said:

Saying that death includes our spirit/soul sounds like a cop out.

Yes, it obviously is a copout.

8 minutes ago, chirpy said:

  By saying there is no eternal life for our spirit or soul means there is no accountability for our physical life.  That seems to contradict the whole idea of repentance, Jesus mission of propitiation, the spiritual battle taking place between good and evil.

Exactly!

8 minutes ago, chirpy said:

But I can say dogmatically that -  we will all know for sure at the end of our time on this earth.

Amen!

[Your closest friendnt]

11 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

I just wish you would actually listen.  Pay attention.  I expained to you what is meant by calling the LOF the second death.  So here it is again.  

The Bible teaches that all unbelievers will be resurrected.  Dan 12:2, John 5:29 and Acts 24:15.  Do they receive a glorified immortal body?  Of course not.  That means they get their old mortal body back, but only for a short time.  Because after they are resurrected, they will attend the Great White Throne in Rev 20:11-15.

I am sorry to say that but it does not seem that you have familiarize your self well with the scriptures. You never said that the believers in Jesus Christ will not be Judged and it is Jesus Christ who will Judge the world. 

 

[Your closest friendnt]

@FreeGrace 

There error in your post because you do not follow the scriptures you are supposed to study. 

John 5:22-29 

22 Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, 23 that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him.

24 “Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life. 

25 Very truly I tell you, a time is coming and has now come when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God and those who hear will live. 26 For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself. 27 And he has given him authority to judge because he is the Son of Man.

28 “Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice 29 and come out—those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned.

..........In verse 24 Jesus is teaching that anyone who believes in him will not be Judged because they are Alive to Him and have passed from death to Life. 

When a believer dies he dies Alive to Jesus and he is not Judge. 

When we have the privilege to have scriptures like that. 

When these scriptures were not available to many others who had died before they were given to us. 

Edited January 7 by Your closest friendnt