Annihilationism

[Your closest friendnt]

On 1/2/2025 at 4:44 PM, GodIsLife said:

A living soul means a living being. God breathed oxygen (spirit) into Adam's lifeless body and the oxygen activated Adam's brain and so Adam became a living soul. But when Adam's brain died, Adam ceased to exist.

Genesis 2:7 And God shaped the man from the soil of the earth and he blow on his face the breath of life and he became a living soul. 

This is what is written in Genesis 2:7 .

God made a replica of the man from clay or in a parallel example when we make the replica of a man with the sand of the sea shore.

And as there is only sand in the man we make from sand and so was the man made from God it was only earth till God breathed unto his face of clay the breath of Life. That what we have when God blow from him self air onto his face. And the man became a Living Soul.  The man was not yet created when God blow from him the breath of life on his face.

Before that Adam was only clay. 

And God blows air from himself. That it was not air he had breathe from the air around him like it is for us, no that was not the case. What God did he made him alive by giving him life from himself. This is why he is our Creator. He lives forever and we also live forever, our soul lives for ever because it was given to us from God who lives forever. Fire can't destroy the soul of man.  

What God got from the earth and made the body of man this is what the time  comes dies whether from aging and some of his organs stop functioning or for some other ways that a man is possible to die. 

When God breath the breath of life onto his face the man was still clay and he was clay all around nothing but clay. And then the miracle he became a living soul that lives in the body that was made from the earth. An soul in an earthly body. This is for now. Food for thought. Which meant to say some information that can make someone think. 

We live on earth and we must have an earthly body. Just when we take something from the earth say a rock or some earth and we throw them up high it will return to the earth because it was taken from the earth. We call it gravity. Like us when we jump up we return back to earth because of the gravity. We are made from the earth but our soul is not and when our body cannot sustain life and it dies our soul is free because it was not meant to live in a dead body. The body will start decay. That's is enough we are done with our body when it dies on us.

[Who me]

On 1/3/2025 at 6:52 PM, GodIsLife said:

I believe in the resurrection of the dead.

From your explanation  of the genesis account of the creation of Adam, you do not believe in man being a spiritual being.

Once dead there is nothing.

So how can the dead be resurrected? 

Do you mean an animated corpse like a zombie or do you recognise  that your comment was incorrect, that God breathed a spirit a soul into Adam.

[FreeGrace]

9 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

I am sorry to say that but it does not seem that you have familiarize your self well with the scriptures. You never said that the believers in Jesus Christ will not be Judged and it is Jesus Christ who will Judge the world. 

I never said that believers in Christ will not be judged, because every believer WILL BE judged by Christ at the Judgment Seat of Christ.

2 Cor 5:10 - For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each of us may receive what is due us for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad.

What you may have misunderstood and I may have not been clear enough, but I did say that Jesus Christ will reign over the nations of the earth during the Millennium, all of which will be survivors of the tribulatio0n, and unbelievers.  

Since all believers will receive a glorified immortal imperishable resurrection body at the Second Advent (1 Cor 15:23), they will either "reign with Christ" (2 Tim 2:12) or serve Him in His kingdom.  He won't be "ruling over them" during the Millennium.

Sorry if I wasn't more clear.

[FreeGrace]

8 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

@FreeGrace 

There error in your post because you do not follow the scriptures you are supposed to study. 

John 5:22-29 

22 Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, 23 that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him.

24 “Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life. 

25 Very truly I tell you, a time is coming and has now come when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God and those who hear will live. 26 For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself. 27 And he has given him authority to judge because he is the Son of Man.

28 “Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice 29 and come out—those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned.

..........In verse 24 Jesus is teaching that anyone who believes in him will not be Judged because they are Alive to Him and have passed from death to Life. 

When a believer dies he dies Alive to Jesus and he is not Judge. 

Berean Standard Bible. Revelation 20:13 
The sea gave up its dead, and Death and Hades gave up their dead, and each one was judged according to his deeds. 

When we have the privilege to have scriptures like that. 

When these scriptures were not available to many others who had died before they were given to us. 

As I pointed out in my previous post, 2 Cor 5:10 is very clear about the fact that all believers will be judged for the things they have done, whether good or bad.  This judgment has nothing to do with where they will go for eternity, but rather, is about whether or not they will receive eternal reward.

In John 5:24, Jesus was referring to "eternal condemnation" that no believer will be judged for.

[FreeGrace]

4 hours ago, Who me said:

Once dead there is nothing.

That is the view of atheists.  So they believe there are no consequences after one dies.

4 hours ago, Who me said:

So how can the dead be resurrected?

The Bible speaks of resurrection frequently.  To your question, the definition of "resurrection" means to come back from the dead.

iow, we know from James 2:26 that physical dead is when the soul/spirit leaves the body.  "As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead."

So, a resurrection is when the soul/spirit returns to the physical body.  There are many examples of this in the Bible, 2 in the OT and many in the NT.

4 hours ago, Who me said:

Do you mean an animated corpse like a zombie or do you recognise  that your comment was incorrect, that God breathed a spirit a soul into Adam.

Gen 2:7 describes how God created (bara) and made (asah) Adam, the first human being.  He began with the physical (physiological) body, from the chemicals in the ground.  Then He breathed into the body the "breath of life", which is the immaterial soul/spirit complex.  It was at this time that the body/soul-spirit became a "living soul" or human being.  

That means a body without the soul/spirit is not a human being.  It is a shell.  Science is able to keep bodies without the soul/spirit physiologically alive.  But the "person" isn't there any more.

The lights are on, but nobody's home.

[Your closest friendnt]

 

@FreeGrace In verse 24, at John 5:24 this is what Jesus said copy and paste 24 “Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life. 

I am asking for a study of this specific statement In verse 24. We have a discipline to follow. To comment in the context of this verse only and then you may suggest the study of another verse. 

.....................This is my comments to the verse 24. Jesus made this statement before the Cross in the presence of the Jews and he opened his statement with the word "who ever" and he did not define who was included in that word. 

Never the less Jesus used an inclusive word in his opening statement. 

Then Jesus is telling how the promised eternal life will come to man. "whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life".

Then Jesus makes the comment about those who have the eternal life that they can rest from the day of Judgment because they will not be judged on that day.

Those who have the eternal Life will not be judged but have crossed over from death to life. 

That they are standing as they are still living in the eternal life. They are not dead to God, They are Alive to God. 

Believers in Jesus Christ are Alive to God because they are in the Eternal Life. 

They are in the resurrection as they are living. They are in Jesus Christ. They are not dead to God. 

Jesus made these comments looking forwards to after his death on the Cross when all the living Jews will be found to be in their sins and they will be dead to God at that time and within the New Covenant.

Jesus is specifically talks in this verse 24 about the living about people who are still living and only about them.

Edited January 7 by Your closest friendnt

[FreeGrace]

2 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

 

@FreeGrace In verse 24, at John 5:24 this is what Jesus said copy and paste 24 “Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life. 

I am asking for a study of this specific statement In verse 24. We have a discipline to follow. To comment in the context of this verse only and then you may suggest the study of another verse.

Seems you are asking me for my explanation of john 5:24.  Is that correct?

2 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

.....................This is my comments to the verse 24. Jesus made this statement before the Cross in the presence of the Jews and he opened his statement with the word "who ever" and he did not define who was included in that word.

Because Jesus didn't define "whoever", it clearly is inclusive of anyone who believes.  iow, He leaves no one out of possessing eternal life by believing.

2 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Never the less Jesus used an inclusive word in his opening statement. 

Then Jesus is telling how the promised eternal life will come to man. "whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life".

Then Jesus makes the comment about those who have the eternal life that they can rest from the day of Judgment because they will not be judged on that day.

Those who have the eternal Life will not be judged but have crossed over from death to life.

I love this verse because Jesus refers to the past, present and future for those who believe.

past:  but has crossed over from death to life  (from spiritual death to eternal life)

present:   has eternal life  (this is God's very life, since God is eternal)

future:  will not be judged  (refers to the future judgment at the GWT and then cast into the lake of fire.

An important point in this verse is that the verb 'believes' is in the present tense, and the word 'has' is in the present tense.  This indicates that the very MOMENT one believes, they possess eternal life.  

2 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

That they are standing as they are still living in the eternal life. They are not

dead to God, They are Alive to God.

True.

2 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Believers in Jesus Christ are Alive to God because they are in the Eternal Life.

Exactly!

2 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

They are in the resurrection as they are living. They are in Jesus Christ. They are not dead to God.

Yes, sir.

2 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Jesus made these comments looking forwards to after his death on the Cross when all the living Jews will be found to be in their sins and they will be dead to God at that time and within the New Covenant.

In John 8:24 Jesus tells those who don't believe in Him that they will die in their sins.

2 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Jesus is specifically talks in this verse 24 about the living about people who are still living and only about them.

Not sure of your point here.  The "whoever" is a words of inclusiveness, and that means Jesus wasn't leaving any human being out of possessing eternal life.

From the point in the verse about possessing from the MOMENT of believing, we need to study John 10:28.  I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand.

This verse shows the result of being given the gift of eternal life;  "they shall never perish".

So, Jn 5:24 says one possesses eternal life from the MOMENT of belief, and Jn 10:28 says recipients of eternal life (Jn 5:24) shall never perish.

These 2 verses together are the most clear verses on eternal security in the Bible.  Those who believe in Christ for salvation are guaranteed from the MOMENT they believe that they shall never perish.

All from the lips of Jesus Himself.  I do not understand how anyone who claims to be a believer in Christ can think that salvation can be lost.

 

[Your closest friendnt]

11 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

Seems you are asking me for my explanation of john 5:24.  Is that correct?

Because Jesus didn't define "whoever", it clearly is inclusive of anyone who believes.  iow, He leaves no one out of possessing eternal life by believing.

I love this verse because Jesus refers to the past, present and future for those who believe.

past:  but has crossed over from death to life  (from spiritual death to eternal life)

present:   has eternal life  (this is God's very life, since God is eternal)

future:  will not be judged  (refers to the future judgment at the GWT and then cast into the lake of fire.

An important point in this verse is that the verb 'believes' is in the present tense, and the word 'has' is in the present tense.  This indicates that the very MOMENT one believes, they possess eternal life.  

True.

Exactly!

Yes, sir.

In John 8:24 Jesus tells those who don't believe in Him that they will die in their sins.

Not sure of your point here.  The "whoever" is a words of inclusiveness, and that means Jesus wasn't leaving any human being out of possessing eternal life.

From the point in the verse about possessing from the MOMENT of believing, we need to study John 10:28.  I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand.

This verse shows the result of being given the gift of eternal life;  "they shall never perish".

So, Jn 5:24 says one possesses eternal life from the MOMENT of belief, and Jn 10:28 says recipients of eternal life (Jn 5:24) shall never perish.

These 2 verses together are the most clear verses on eternal security in the Bible.  Those who believe in Christ for salvation are guaranteed from the MOMENT they believe that they shall never perish.

All from the lips of Jesus Himself.  I do not understand how anyone who claims to be a believer in Christ can think that salvation can be lost.

 

@FreeGrace Your response is appreciated, in it you stay in the contextual facts of John 5:24. And your contribution to John 10:28 relevance is much acknowledged. 

But there is not a comment on the accersion that to have eternal life in Jesus Christ and be Alive to God is the resurrection of the Spirit of man from death to Life as he still lives in the body. Which leads us to understand that when the body it cannot sustain life in it and dies. Then we only have a resurrected Spirit. A Spirit who is Alive to God. 

As believers in Jesus Christ we should understand that we are resurrected Spirits. Or we are standing in the Eternal Life by believing in Jesus Christ. 

Our Spirit is already resurrected. As believers we have passed from death to Life. We are resurrected as we speak. 

[WilliamL]

On 1/2/2025 at 2:44 PM, GodIsLife said:

A living soul means a living being. God breathed oxygen (spirit) into Adam's lifeless body and the oxygen activated Adam's brain and so Adam became a living soul. But when Adam's brain died, Adam ceased to exist.

Isaiah 66:24 “And they shall go forth and look
Upon the corpses of the men
Who have transgressed against Me.
For their worm shall not die,
And their fire shall not be quenched.
They shall be an abhorrence to all flesh.”

Mark 9:27 And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into the fire of Gehenna—

48 “where
‘Their worm does not die,
And the fire is not quenched.’

When a piece of paper is burned up, it does not still exist, as you said. But souls are not inanimate objects that can be destroyed. So they will keep on burning...

[FreeGrace]

2 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

@FreeGrace Your response is appreciated, in it you stay in the contextual facts of John 5:24. And your contribution to John 10:28 relevance is much acknowledged. 

Thank you.  Side note:  how do you get "@FreeGrace" to appear in the dark purple background?  Thanks.

2 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

But there is not a comment on the accersion that to have eternal life in Jesus Christ and be Alive to God is the resurrection of the Spirit of man from death to Life as he still lives in the body. Which leads us to understand that when the body it cannot sustain life in it and dies. Then we only have a resurrected Spirit. A Spirit who is Alive to God. 

Still not quite sure what you're asking.  The Bible doesn't use the term "resurrection of the spirit of man", but rather "regeneration", being "born again" or "made alive".  All refer to the dead human spirit, which at the moment of saving faith the human spirit is regenerated or born again.

When the Trinity said "Let US make man in OUR image" that was referring to creating man with 3 parts, just as the Trinity is 3 Persons, all God.  So God created man with a body, soul and human spirit.  We learn from Jesus at the well with a Samaritan woman that in order to worship God, we must worship "in spirit and in truth".  

But, the warning to Adam wasn't just "in the day you eat of it, you shall die", but "in the day you eat of it, dying, you shall die."

In the original Hebrew, there are 2 deaths noted, but no English translation reflects this.  So, Adam's sin resulted in 2 deaths.  The immediate death "on the day..." was his human spirit, which is why Adam and the woman ran and hid when the Lord came calling.  They had no capacity for relationship, as the human spirit had died.  The "dying" refers to physical life, and their bodies began to die that day, from aging.

Since A & E, all humans are born physically alive and spiritually dead (human spirit) and is why we all need to be born again.  It literally refers to the dead human spirit being made alive or regenerated again.

2 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

As believers in Jesus Christ we should understand that we are resurrected Spirits. Or we are standing in the Eternal Life by believing in Jesus Christ. 

Our Spirit is already resurrected. As believers we have passed from death to Life. We are resurrected as we speak. 

The Bible does describe the human spirit as being resurrected, but as being born AGAIN, or RE-generated, or made alive.

The word resurrection is used in relation to the human body.