what I learned about oneness pentecostalism

[Marathoner]

The technical term for this is Modalistic Monarchianism, a.k.a. Oneness. To be precise, Oneness teaches that God manifests in three different "modes" which are the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. 

[Vine Abider]

2 hours ago, Marathoner said:

The technical term for this is Modalistic Monarchianism, a.k.a. Oneness. To be precise, Oneness teaches that God manifests in three different "modes" which are the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. 

The discussion goes on & on & on - finite beings trying to describe the infinite One who created us.  So is it 3 in 1 - or 1 in 3?  I suspect the correct answer is yes.

[Alive]

5 minutes ago, Vine Abider said:

The discussion goes on & on & on - finite beings trying to describe the infinite One who created us.  So is it 3 in 1 - or 1 in 3?  I suspect the correct answer is yes.

I hear you brother. Some, perhaps, think they do…but I think it’s impossible to fully understand the Godhead.

For myself, I tend to avoid attempting to. When I have gone there, my sense is like waking up at night in the dark and unable to see where I am going.

[Vine Abider]

47 minutes ago, Alive said:

I hear you brother. Some, perhaps, think they do…but I think it’s impossible to fully understand the Godhead.

For myself, I tend to avoid attempting to. When I have gone there, my sense is like waking up at night in the dark and unable to see where I am going.

Indeed!  One can find scriptural basis for going in various directions and it's akin to "endless genealogies."  I suspect it's beyond an ant trying to comprehend a human.

[FreeGrace]

On 1/10/2025 at 11:11 AM, Marathoner said:

The technical term for this is Modalistic Monarchianism, a.k.a. Oneness. To be precise, Oneness teaches that God manifests in three different "modes" which are the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. 

I finally decided to read this thread to see what's been posted.  I once planned to make a list of every verse that clearly indicates the impossibility of Jesus being the "only God".  But there are just too many verses.

Finally, the whole issue of who "God" is can be easily understood from the first chapter and verse of the Bible.

Gen 1:1 - In the beginning God (Elohim) created the heavens and the earth.

elohim: God, gods, divine beings, judges

Original Word: אֱלהִים
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: elohiym
Pronunciation: eh-lo-HEEM
Phonetic Spelling: (el-o-heem')
Definition: God, gods, divine beings, judges
Meaning: gods, the supreme God, magistrates, a superlative

Word Origin: Derived from the root אֵל (El), meaning "god" or "power."

So, the very first refence to God is in the plural form.  

Then, to solidify that fact, we have a discussion:

Gen 1:26 - Then God (Elohim) said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”

Gen 1:27 - So God (Elohim) created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them.

So, v.26 is obviously a discussion BETWEEN Persons.  

In v.27, the singular pronoun "him" (singular) emphasizes the fact that "God" is One in unity and character.

I don't know how the "oneness" ilk explain Gen 1, and I don't care.  The obvious is glaringly obvious.  In the NT, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are all said to be God.  

So Gen 1:26,27 easily refers to the fact that God made man with 3 parts:  body, soul and spirit, which is plainly stated in 1 Thess 5:23.

So, the "oneness" people do not believer or understand the Bible.  

[A Freeman]

On 1/5/2025 at 1:26 AM, tatwo said:

That's not UPCI "Oneness Pentecostalism"...however...UPCI "Oneness Pentecostalism" teaches that Yahshua "Jesus" is God. They get it from Isaiah 9:6 NKJV  "For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace."

Tatwo...:)

Do people ever think (ask God for His Wisdom) about a verse prior to using it as alleged proof for some nonsensical doctrine?

Isaiah was a PROPHET of God.

God's Prophets PROPHESY things that come true, sometimes hundreds or even thousands of years in advance.

This particular PROPHECY states the following:

Isaiah 9:6 (KJV)  For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Please note well it does NOT say that the Child will be those things, or even that any of these titles will be his name, or that all of these titles are necessarily true/representative of him. It only says that people will call him these things, which they have done, in spades (and often in error).

Edited February 15 by A Freeman
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[tatwo]

Greetings @A Freeman...

Well friend I have never heard anyone explain it like you do before. I am not a member of the UPCI or any denomination. This is a primary scriptural Truth A Freeman…most do not understand the mystery of the Truth about the Godhead…which is why some believe in something called the “trinity” while others believe in something called “oneness.”

To go along with that…they perpetually argue about it because the mystery has not been revealed to them. Who God the Father is…who The Lord Yahshua Christ is…and who the Holy Spirit is…has been made plain in scripture…for those who cannot see that…are blind to this Truth and typically cannot and do not want to be shown it.

Let’s have a look…Israel’s prophet Isaiah wrote…emphasis mine…here’s how I read it.

“For unto us a child is born, [the virgin birth of Yahshua] unto us a son is given: [Sacrificial Lamb of God…Yahshua] and the government shall be upon his shoulder [Yahshua]: and his name [Yahshua] shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.  (7)  Of the increase of his government [Yahshua's] and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, [prophetic reference to Yahshua] and upon his kingdom [Yahshua Christ] to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.”

3 hours ago, A Freeman said:

Please note well it does NOT say that the Child will be those things, or even that any of these titles will be his name, or that all of these titles are necessarily true/representative of him.

You can have your translation of the passage…and you are right…it does not say He “will be” those things…it says He “is” those things. This actually goes very nicely with what Paul once wrote…for example consider Colossians 1:15-20

“He [Yahshua] is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.  (16)  For by Him [Yahshua] all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities--all things have been created through Him [Yahshua] and for Him. [Yahshua]  (17)  He [Yahshua] is before all things, and in Him [Yahshua] all things hold together.  (18)  He [Yahshua] is also head of the body, the church; and He [Yahshua] is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself [Yahshua] will come to have first place in everything.  (19)  For it was the Father's good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in Him, [Yahshua]  (20)  and through Him [Yahshua] to reconcile all things to Himself, [Yahshua] having made peace through the blood of His cross; [Yahshua] through Him, [Yahshua] I say, whether things on earth or things in heaven.”

The reason so many stumble here...is that they do not grasp the concept of “Spirit” and that being only “one Spirit.”

 

“for through Him we both have our access in one Spirit to the Father.” Ephesians 2:18 NASB

“There is one body and one Spirit, just as also you were called in one hope of your calling” Ephesians 4:4 NASB

“Only conduct yourselves in a manner worthy of the gospel of Christ, so that whether I come and see you or remain absent, I will hear of you that you are standing firm in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel;” Philippians 1:27 NASB

Grasp the "Spirit" grasp the the truth about the godhead.

Tatwo...:)

[D. Adrien]

Perhaps the one God is reflected in the concept of family?

[tatwo]

On 3/1/2025 at 5:10 PM, D. Adrien said:

Perhaps the one God is reflected in the concept of family?

Greetings @D. Adrien...

Well...dare I say that it was not flesh and blood that revealed that you you brother D. Adrian?

He is known as Father...and to be a Father you need a family. The eternal God is revealed in a spiritual man known as Christ...He is here...and He will be here to at least do His part in the cleanup and judgment of the dragon, the beast, the harlot, the lawless one so we need to grow up into the full measure of Christ...which the grace of God is more that sufficient to accomplish.

Tatwo...:) 

[Your closest friendnt]

2 hours ago, Daniel Marsh said:

I have had a series of illnesses,  Bronchitits, flu,  Pneumonia and now  Double Pneumonia along with a serious reaction to Medications.  Swelling in my tongue, throat, and Esophagus & other body parts.

Please Pray all,  I need to rest now.

 

Praying for your fast recovery and keeping you in prayer every day. Thank you for telling us.