there are no more prophets

[Tristen]

Ultimately, spiritual gifts "will end". The question pertains to when and why?

The Biblical principle I would apply is that the truth is established by two or three witnesses. That is, the more (and more directly) a doctrine is witnessed in scripture, the more weight of authority it carries - i.e. the more God thought it was important to clarify.

The Cessationist doctrine (that spiritual gifts will cease with the completion of the New Testament) is nowhere stated overtly in scripture. 1 Corinthians 13 only offers vague, partial evidence for this belief - in that it only states that the gifts will eventually end (with no information given about the time or purpose of the gifts). One therefore has to read far too much into this passage to make it a foundational scripture for the Cessationist doctrine.

Given that the context of 1 Corinthians 13 is explicitly and overtly about contrasting temporal spiritual gifts against the eternal importance of "love", the passage is readily interpreted to mean that a time will come when the gifts are no longer required (i.e. when we are living in eternal glory, we will have no need for prophets to speak to us on God's behalf, and we will have no need to speak to God in a language beyond our understanding etc.). By contrast, "love" will persist both into and throughout eternity.

I think verse 12 further supports the latter interpretation:

For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part, but then I shall know just as I also am known

The "then" (when the gifts will "cease") appears to refer to a time when our personal perception of reality has been fully elucidated.

 

 

[Tristen]

Additionally, if one claims to be speaking by gift of prophecy, how the prophecy is received is not your responsibility. Your primary responsibility is to faithfully relay the message in the same spirit that it was delivered to you.

 

[tatwo]

16 hours ago, Deborah_ said:

Scripture records the prophecies of Agabus. It also mentions other New Testament prophets (such as the daughters of Philip, Acts 21:9). My point is, that none of these prophets wrote Scripture. The messages of people like Agabus were not for the whole church for all time, but for individuals and individual churches on specific occasions. Some prophecies (and the response to them) are  recorded for our instruction - but the prophecies themselves don't apply to us! 

Scripture, however complete, can't replace this kind of prophecy.

Thank you Deborah...I see what you are saying and I understand it and FWIW...I agree with you. This is the everyday life prophecy that is operative in the Body of Christ among its members for its members as "spoken" by the Holy Spirit through His to His people. Very few believers understand this...and often reject it as a result.

16 hours ago, Deborah_ said:

Personally, I don't think Paul is talking about the same thing in Ephesians 4. Did he really mean that spiritual gifts will no longer be necessary when we are mature in the faith? If so, why did he still speak in tongues? (I Corinthians 14:18) And even if you and I are mature Christians, there will always (we hope) be new believers coming into our churches, so they will need the gifts and ministries that he mentions.

I am sorry...that did not come across as I had intended...what I attempted to say was...in light of Cessationism...which the scripture itself refutes immutably...those "graces...gifts" of the Lord Yahshua at His ascension bestowed upon the Body of Christ are here to mature the Body to the full stature of its Head. They will remain here for the Body of Christ until the Lord comes at the seventh trumpet...in other words to the end of the age.

I hope I have clarified myself here...thank you for the discussion. Very few Christians...believers...church goers will agree with our perspective. The principal reason for this as I have come to realize it that without the graces that empower the Kingdom of God here on earth...man can be his own god accountable to none other than himself...believing whatever he chooses to believe. In which case the Holy Spirit will not empower their faith, works and lives.

Tatwo...:)

[Who me]

On 2/13/2025 at 9:43 PM, Azzure said:

That would be me I have been steering him on the right path to go and I recieved the same message a few years back as well so when I heard his prophecy something clicked in my spirit the spirit speaks to the spirit.

But the timing is not for us to know Abraham waited for many years before the promise of his son came the temple being broken and torn down spoken of by Jesus didn't happen for a long time the flood with noah didn't happen for years either a prophecy or event spoken of by God normally does not happen right away or soon as we consider soon however considering the times we live in and considering others have also recieved the same message of a revival I think soon might actually mean soon.

 

 

The spirit of prophecy is under the control of the prophet as to who he speaks or does speak to and wisdom is needed in determining who to speak to.

Certainly a history of fulfilled prophecies makes a case for a prophet.

But if he determined that he had to speak to those who ridiculed him, that sometimes is the fate of a prophet. Jerimiah was imprisoned  severl times and Jewish legend is that he was sawn in two.

[Azzure]

13 minutes ago, Who me said:

The spirit of prophecy is under the control of the prophet as to who he speaks or does speak to and wisdom is needed in determining who to speak to.

Certainly a history of fulfilled prophecies makes a case for a prophet.

But if he determined that he had to speak to those who ridiculed him, that sometimes is the fate of a prophet. Jerimiah was imprisoned  severl times and Jewish legend is that he was sawn in two.

yes a prophet is not usually received well and I have noticed prophets usually tend to have hard lives compared to others and trust me I know first hand my life has been horrific things you would shocked to hear but when I personally am given a prophecy to give it rarely is recieved well I have been called many things including a false prophet. but my prophecies usually come in the form of writing poetry kind of things I am not the kind of prophet who gets prophecies often I am what you call a seer I see into the spirit realm and recieve visions a lot most of the time it is like I can describe a place to the last tiny detail to the feeling of grass or the texture of the dirt

 

however the mistake people make about me being a prophet is they assume I am putting myself on a higher position than them but a prophet is not above the church just a part of it usually under it

[A Freeman]

Joel 2:27-32

2:27 And ye shall know that I [am] in the midst of Israel, and [that] I [am] the "I AM" your God, and none else: and My people shall never be ashamed.
2:28 And it SHALL come to pass afterward, [that] I will pour out My Spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters SHALL prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
2:29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out My Spirit.
2:30 And I will show wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.
2:31 The "sun" (Ps. 89:34-36) shall be turned into darkness, and the "moon" into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the "I AM" come.
2:32 And it SHALL come to pass, [that] whosoever shall call on the name of the "I AM" shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the "I AM" hath said, and in the remnant whom the "I AM" shall call.

[WilliamL]

On 2/11/2025 at 4:15 PM, Azzure said:

they say since the bible is complete and perfect there are no more prophets tongues or prophecies...

Rev. 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “See that you do not do that! I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren who have the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.”

Those who don't believe there is still prophecy don't have the [true] testimony of Jesus.

[D. Adrien]

On 2/16/2025 at 7:11 PM, WilliamL said:

Rev. 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “See that you do not do that! I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren who have the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.”

Those who don't believe there is still prophecy don't have the [true] testimony of Jesus.

I tend to think of this verse as a proof of scriptures such as Psalm 22 and Isaiah 53, as two examples. Has anyone witnessed a prophecy recently vocalized that encompassed the worldwide Christian body?

[WilliamL]

On 2/22/2025 at 4:00 AM, D. Adrien said:

Has anyone witnessed a prophecy recently vocalized that encompassed the worldwide Christian body?

By what thinking do you presume that a prophecy must "encompass the worldwide Christian body"?

Agabus was a true prophet, but his prophecies were about localized events. Acts 11:28, 21:10ff.

[D. Adrien]

8 minutes ago, WilliamL said:

By what thinking do you presume that a prophecy must "encompass the worldwide Christian body"?

Agabus was a true prophet, but his prophecies were about localized events. Acts 11:28, 21:10ff.

...And today we can read about his prophecy which occurred many centuries ago, having been considered important enough to be mentioned in scriptures. Someone's grocery list or laundry list has no value to future generations. ( A slight exaggeration on my part).